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Gift Giving and Consumerism

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by snowy, Nov 17, 2014.

  1. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    I'm struggling this year to wrap my head around trying to buy Christmas presents for people. While I enjoy buying gifts for my husband, I really don't like shopping for anyone else. I have an aversion to "stuff," and my feeling is that many Christmas gifts just end up being "stuff." Personally, I've largely stopped asking for stuff for Christmas from people, and if I ask for a gift card, I ask for one from Ulta, so I can buy things I need and want and would actually use. I don't need more clothing (I really, truly don't). There really isn't a lot I want or need in the $100 price range that seems to be appropriate for gift giving. I'd rather have the $100.

    I ran across a comment elsewhere that said younger people are more interested in experiential consumerism--buying an experience--versus material consumerism--buying stuff, and I thought it rang true. I would rather go have a nice dinner out, go wine tasting, go explore a new brewery, or go to a public garden, a museum, or the like, than have a thing given to me. I struggle to figure out what "stuff" to get others, as I don't want the things I buy to end up buried in a drawer, forgotten. I know that they will, so what's the point in buying it in the first place? Isn't that just a waste of money on my part? A memory of a fun day is harder to put in a drawer and forget.

    I also struggle because even though we're now out in the working world, making some money, we're still not making even close to what my in-laws make (they make probably 3x what we do, in the six figures), yet I'm still supposed to give them a material gift? That's not the set of expectations I grew up with. My parents, by contrast, like a nice card and a dinner out when they come to visit, or a donation to charity on their behalf (cancer and Alzheimers charities are always a safe bet). And yes, I've tried suggesting other things, but my MIL poo-poos them. This is the first year where she's actually suggested something useful I can get for them that is within my price range. I think part of it may be that there are other family issues at play here; gifts were not done in my FIL's family, so gift-giving in general at Christmas is a horribly awkward experience, and I never know what to expect from my MIL--one year, you get a present that's incredibly expensive, and the next, it's hardly anything. It leaves me scratching my head.

    Does anyone else have to deal with this struggle between experiential consumerism and material consumerism? Or am I totally alone in my aversion to stuff?
     
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  2. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

    Location:
    Colorado
    Not at all. I have enough "stuff", I've been actively divesting myself of "stuff" for some time, less is better.

    I've been on a mostly successful mission to change adult family gift giving toward consumable items. Food, drink, and events are all good, I've got to much "stuff".
     
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  3. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    Skogafoss and I don't do material gifts for people, birthdays and Christmas included. We do it for kids because they don't know any better, but still I'd rather not give gifts. Not that I'm stingy, but the sake of buying for the sake of buying is a stupid cycle to me. I include experiential consumerism with material consumerism especially now that we no longer manufacture goods but provide services moving to a service based economy.

    Still the experience consumerism is based on the same ideals consume for the sake of consumption and keeping the engine going.

    For me experiential services are more or less based on better than normal, so thus a once in a lifetime experience is better than say a gift card to a movie screening, which the individual would do for themselves anyways.
     
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  4. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    We do a limited amount of physical gift-giving for Chanukah (or other occasions, for that matter). Mostly for Little Levite, who is too young to enjoy things that aren't physical: toys, books, treats. But occasionally for other family, we'll get something. Usually books for each other, or for my parents (Mrs. Levite's family aren't big readers *shudder*), but sometimes little treats like chocolate or wine or something. We almost never get anything other than that, unless it's something specific that we know is needed, and would otherwise be difficult to defend purchasing (e.g., last year Mrs. Levite got a new laptop for her birthday, which was a combined gift to herself, from me, from my mom, and from her parents, because her laptop was old and dying). If anything else, it's usually a gift card, typically to Amazon or the iTunes Store.

    Our standard go-to is to make donations to charity in people's names, or to purchase something from the Heifer Foundation in someone's name. We contribute to various organizations in such instances, including but not limited to Planned Parenthood, PFLAG, Mazon: A Jewish Response To Hunger, the Reform Action Committee (the political lobbying organization of Reform Judaism), Magen David Adom (Red Star of David, the Israeli Red Cross organization), the ACLU, and Marijuana Policy Project (a nonprofit dedicated to pushing marijuana reform in law and justice).
     
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  5. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North
    I made a decision after Jadzia died not to invest in stuff but to invest in people.
    My youngest is going to need teacher type clothes when she graduates this spring so I got her a gift card at one of the business woman boutiques in town.
    My oldest invests so I'm going to give her cash.
    I will be making donations to the local food bank in my ex's name because there were times when we had to use it.
    Stuff like that.
     
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  6. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    We are giving our kids and each other experience for Christmas. We are all going to southern India for a couple of weeks.
     
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  7. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    I've been giving experience-based gifts to my nieces and nephews for years. It's more memorable. Trips to museums, an annual family zoo membership, etc...

    As for others...
    I tend to give unique or useful consumables:
    Tea is one of my favorite things to give.
    I also like to take people out to lunch or dinner at their favorite place, or someplace they'd love but never been.
    It's pretty fun to give unique food items - things that are region-specific or culturally unique.
    I used to give people journals and stationary. I'm a journal-writer, a card-sender, and a letter-writer, but I found that my peers are less and less interested in physically writing so I have tapered off on these and only get them for my pen-pals.
    I used to give people books, but it seems most of my friends have switched to e-books so I'm no longer able to look at their shelves and figure out what their interests are and what books are "missing".
    I also like to give jewelry. It doesn't take up much storage space, is easy to mail, and it's usually well-received.
    Oh, and who can go wrong with orchids? Seriously. Hypoallergenic and beautiful. They're good all-around.

    Though I also like to give people things that are uniquely "them". These are considerably more work to find, and therefore do not usually happen at Christmas when I'm looking for more than just them - these tend to be special occasions or birthdays. For graduation gifts for my lab-mates I purchased them clothing items that would help them appear more professional as they entered the workforce. I purchased a tie for the man (which he wore to his interview for his dream job, and got it), and an artsy-but-professional dress for the woman. They were items that I knew suited their personalities, but that they wouldn't ever purchase for themselves.

    Oh! And if I've stayed as a guest at someone's house it's a tradition for our family to send the host a semi-dwarf fruit tree, to be delivered during the next bare-root planting season. Kind of an odd thing, looking at it typed out here... but we've been doing it for 3 generations and it has always been a huge hit. It's a fairly unique way of saying "Thank you!" and "We're still thankful! We miss you!" half a year later.

    As for your in-law's expectations...
    That's really a bummer. We don't have anyone in our lives that really "expect" gifts. So if we miss someone one Christmas, it's not a big deal. We focus on spending time with those we love for the holidays.
     
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  8. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    As much as I wish we were all living in my utopian fantasy land, I live in reality and money buys things. What I've done over the past few years is to make sure that the meaning and experience of what I give is the focus.

    For my younger brother's 18th birthday, I got him a guitar. Nothing special, nothing expensive (I sure as hell couldn't afford expensive as a college student,) but with a couple hundred on the guitar and a couple hundred for an amp for his high school graduation, he had something he could grow into and learn. He's a damn good guitarist now, 8 years later, and still pulls out the old guitar and plays it.

    My cousin's sons started getting to the age where they learn about space and two years ago, I brought them an early present when we got together for Thanksgiving; I gave them a telescope that I have had since I was around their age and showed them earth's moon and the Galilean moons of Jupiter. They brought me a rock they thought might be a meteorite and asked if I thought it was real; I showed them how to look up that kind of thing online (they were 5 and 9 at the time) and we determined that it was actually a piece of volcanic rock. That Christmas, knowing they were a little disappointed that their find was just a piece of lava, I bought each of them a real meteorite and told them about the history of each one.

    For the last two weddings I've been to, one being my cousin's and the other being two friends, I talked with them about the theme of the wedding, brewed them 10 gallons of a suitable beer, and asked that a friend or relative of theirs make the artwork for the labels on the bottles. They served the beer at the reception, everybody loved it, and I supported a local small business buying the ingredients.
     
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  9. I try to make gifts for people, I will make some soap or a dead sea salt scrub. Toss that in to a basket with some home-brew, maybe some jerky and a poem about the person I am gifting to. If that isn't feasible (they don't drink or have allergies) I take them for a day out, going to a play, maybe a boxing match.
     
  10. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member


    And the expectations make it difficult to enjoy spending time with them some years.

    I went and got all of my canning stuff out of storage the other day. Everyone is getting jams and jellies this year. EVERYONE.
     
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  11. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North


    I remember one year when we were seriously broke so we made chocolate chip cookies for everyone.
    I must have baked for a three days straight.
    My oldest was about 8 and she helped, which I think taught her more about Christmas than just about anything we've ever done.
     
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  12. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member


    Cookie plates are "frowned upon" in my husband's family because one auntie apparently has cornered the market on cookies, and my MIL is perpetually on a diet (see blog), so she always thinks auntie's cookies will be enough. My MIL tries to tell me not to bring cookies; I always bring them anyway and bring tins to give away to people, as despite her protests, the auntie who always brings cookies loves particular Christmas cookies of mine that she does not make.

    It's one of the situations around the holidays that I have learned to ignore.
     
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  13. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    One year, when we were broke, we made wine and gave bottles of wine to everyone. It was all about the labels... The wine was horrid.
     
  14. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North


    It's the thought that counts.
     
  15. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    I want to hear more about this.
     
  16. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    Not much to tell, really.

    It was the Christmas after my son was born. I had just started in my first career job. My wife had been invited to resign her job. We had limited funds.

    There was a make your own wine place up the street from us. It was a $100-$150 to make a batch (or something like that). We collected empty bottles from everyone we knew and after waiting for the wine to ferment, we filled the bottles and took them home. We made our own labels which had both a Christmas theme as well as one of our newborn son's names on the label. We had enough to give each member of our family a bottle.

    The wine was "drinkable".


    I noticed this summer that my mom still has hers unopened. The colour of the wine in the bottle looks like aged urine.
     
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