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Huge child porn ring busted.

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Borla, Aug 3, 2011.

  1. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Just reading this story disgusts me.

    Though it's obviously an important career, and valuable to society, I can't imagine having a job where I had to deal with even investigating and knowing the details of this kind of stuff on a regular basis, let alone interacting with the suspects.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/03/us.child.porn.ring/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
     
  2. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    Sadly a small tip of the iceberg. But I'm glad the busted these assholes.

    Maybe if we spent more time looking for these people and less time busting folks growing medical marijuana we could make that iceberg disappear?
     
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  3. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    A friend of mine was all smug about sticking it to the man since he was running a TOR server. I explained to him that there were other people like these people who also use such services to hide this kind of stuff. He got mad at me because he was now torn and knew what the right thing to do was.
     
  4. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    Get out the pitchforks!

    1. How many of these people are completely innocent, but were framed or pissed off the wrong crooked cops. Once you are charged with this you are guilty. Your life is over. It is a tempting way to eliminate people you don't like...

    2. Abuse is wrong, very wrong... but not all pictures that fall under 'child porn' involved abuse (I would guess, I don't know). But if the child doesn't even know that their picture was taken (hidden camera in the shower, public beaches, I don't know), how would that be abuse? Or if CGI graphics get to be quite realistic, that can't be abuse either. They might be mentally sick, but that would require mental health therapy to see why they are attracted to these images instead of people their own age.

    3. And people are giving up a lot of anonymity on-line in the hope of catching a few of these people. Yeah, it's only terrorists, criminals, and these people using Tor... There are still valid reasons why it would be a good idea to have truly anonymous communications.

    4. There are a lot of other criminals (people that run sex slavery rings, rapists, and child molesters) that the cops should be focusing at catching.
     
  5. Zen

    Zen Very Tilted

    Location:
    London
    I see various strands for discussion. I may join them ... because I, too, feel the 'tearing' when facing up to the double-edgedness of both privacy and transparency.

    For the moment, I'll sit with the feelings of rage and congratulations that this specific operation has been sucessful.
     
  6. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Did you miss the part where there were specific forums that you had to abuse children and document it to get into, and you got special access if you inflicted pain, were violent, and/or made them cry in the pictures then shared them? Those are rapists and child molesters of the worst order in my mind.
     
  7. I'm very happy they were caught. A former love-interest of mine was a victim of a child pornography ring, and she had the mental and emotional scars to prove it.

    That said, there is absolutely no reason for this to be used as an excuse to reduce online privacy. I have no issues using TOR or other services that I pay for. Why? Because I want to remain anonymous. I'm not looking at child porn, not researching how to be a terrorist, not trying to maliciously harm anyone. I want as few people as possible to know what I'm looking at online. It's my business, not anyone else's.
     
  8. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

    Location:
    Wolf 359
    my first thoughts were that some of the nastier methods used by the Russians as discussed in the books by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn are too kind for these particular people. Especially considering the ranking system on specific forums as a reward for this vile evil.
    Of course those would violate about every single right we have in this country and go beyond police brutality in seconds.
     
  9. Tully - quite agree. One is a victimless crime where a person in constant pain is seeking relief - certainly police time, one would think, would be better spent on such sickos as the sicko child abusers. One localy got beaten up whilst in prison last week - Tracy lyons - who didnt realy enjoy sucking the willy of an infant, photographing it and sending it all out to her paedo ring. Pregnant with her eigth at time of arrest - she was another who worked in a nursery. I sincerely hope the ladies in prison with her break her whilst she is in there - first punch has been landed - but they have time.
    It seems so very wrong to rob a child in such an awfull way. They do not 'get cured'. Rehab does not work. Its the only instance where I think hunting with hounds is okay - leave the bloody fox alone, let the paedos play the part of being hounded, persecuted, scared out of their twisted brains - seems fairer than hunting a fox. The price for stealing innocence should be very high.
    Cynthetiq - sometimes a person needs a Jimminy Cricket at their shoulder acting as conscience. Hopefully your friend will grow now.
    Asu - of course secretly filming anyone in the shower or lavatory or whatever is very wrong. Does it matter if child victims are manufactured with threats, sweets or subterfuge? I see no justification - do you realy? As to the persecution by the police thing - it might be the wrong man etc - it takes evidence etc. One thing I know troubles police officers is when they know a released paedo has moved back into the community, is living near kids, and is 'grooming' the parents to let them babysit - and they can not tell these idiot parents that their kids are at real and imminent risk - grab them off the railway line a train is coming - because they are not allowed to. I also know of a young girl, abused as a child by two serving police officers - one her mother who told her if she didnt do what she was told, they would lose their nice house, and her and all her brothers and sisters would have to live in a horrible hovel, and that would be her fault. aged 12. She is broken, this young woman. They 'looked after their own' from what I can make out (police that is).
     
  10. Seer666

    Seer666 Getting Tilted

    Well, I'm glad they caught these assholes. Saddly, being locked up for life is about the best we can hope to see these guys get. Something involving at least 18 hours a day of extream pain would be more fitting. I'd say 24 hours but they need some time to heal so it can go on longer.
    Tully- spot on. Except I'm willing to etend that to even recrational pot smokers. I don't partake myself anymore, haven't in something like 17 years, but it's just stupid to waste money trying to stop someone from smoking a joint when we have sickos like this out there.
     
  11. Easiest way for the punishment to be severe but not outside of the 8th amendment is to have them locked up in general population. There they would know what true pain, abuse, and crying is. Plus there will be pics and documentation when they are in the med ward healing from the beatings. The problem is that they are "only" getting 20 to 30 years for this. Should be 2o to 30 years per picture that person uploaded. And 50 to life for each rape they committed. NOT concurrent.
     
  12. Zen

    Zen Very Tilted

    Location:
    London
    I do support Asu2003's concern about witch hunting, possibility of false conviction, and potential use of 'frightening examples' of what SOME people do behind closed doors, to justify eroding general privacy. I share that concern and support that we need to keep an eye out for the misuse of pitchforks. Also that police should attend to other matters as well as child abuse.
    In my opinion, all these other aspects need to be attended to.
    In Addition to what has been done here: A child porn ring getting busted.
    I'm saying "Yes - let's look at the surrounding stuff. Now we don't want to exclude the initial crimes, so lets return our gaze to the issue of the busted child porn ring, because it is a valid point of focus"

    There may be another level to Asu2003's point - I'd appreciate confirmation.. Pitchforks. I'm looking in the mirror and believe me, I sure want to see myself as pushing along some path to enlightenment or something 'good' ... at the very least NOT a kneejerk 'roast 'em alive!' kind of poster. I mean ... what was the mission statement on the front page of the old forum? Something like 'project for the evolution of ... philosophy, evolution, sexuality' ... something like that. 'Tilted' - which does not seem, in my view, to include stampeding and riding with lynch-mobs.

    However, I read Perfxion's post ... and I cannot find a sense of disagreement. 'K YEAH. Put them in 'general population'. I chew this over. I examine my feelings. A bit Pontius Pilate for my taste but dammit ... these guys aren't teachers of ethics, they are Child-Porn promoters. And Seer666's post appeals to my general preference for 'hands on' ...

    Then again .... I copy-paste into my psyche 'correct' wisdom like: What they have done is Sick ... therefore they are Sick individuals and it is therefore our Treatment that they need. Or, "Let's separate the person from the behaviour". Or "We lose our humanity if we perform the same actions as them"

    I remember the evolved 'action-movie good-guy' ethics of recent years, where the final scene is of the hero NOT killing the villain 'otherwise I'd be as bad as them'.

    As I speak, Kyra Sedgewick as Chief of serious Crimes Division in the TV cop drama 'The Closer' is under investigation, because the bad guy confessed, without any sense of repentance, to murder, but was immune from prosecution .... so as he was released, she gave him a ride to his home ... where she Knew that his neighbors WOULD kill him.

    Modern wisdom DOES tend to say 'put the pitchforks away.' And it gives reasons.
    And I cannot disagree with that principle.
    Neither can I nor do I want to release my grip on the pitchfork.

    I don't think I'm trying to argue a point here. Just attempting to tease apart and share some of the nature of my uncomfortable and unpleasant floundering.
    Please note: My floundering would not deter me from a policy of zero tolerance and zero leniency.
     
  13. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

    Location:
    At work..
    there are some sick people in the world
     
  14. There is no cure Zen. What they do is sit in a group on comfey chairs retelling the tale of how good it was to shag a three year old, and all the others get off on the story. Their families are treated better than the families of other prisoners, they get better visiting conditions too. Thats something honest crims do not like. The only way you can stop them wanting to do stuff with kids is to remove all the children from the community - and kill them. Obviously this step would be needed in light of cases such as the Jersey childrens home scandal - no one even knows how many kids were taken out on 'sailing trips' and never set foot on dry land again. Their abusers were people of power, people who could stop police from interfering, people who no one would take the word of a child against.
    I certainly do not understand the prison visitors - christian women who befriend them, marry then in jail, with the hope of them having a nice close relationship with the children these women have 'when the time is right'. Just shove your kids in a bleeding lion enclosure at Longleat.
     
  15. SuburbanZombie

    SuburbanZombie Housebroken

    Location:
    Northeast
    hmmm...interesting.... I remember reading something just a few days ago about a new bill going through the process in Washington that would force ISPs to collect name, address, CC numbers and various other personal info and would give the police access to that info without a warrent...all in the name of protecting the children...
     
  16. Daniel_

    Daniel_ The devil made me do it...

    I know it's totally inappropriate, but I just read the title and my first thought was "who wants photos of huge children".

    Sorry...
     
  17. 81Malibu

    81Malibu New Member

    Sick fucks good thing they got them.
     
  18. Seer666

    Seer666 Getting Tilted

    I HATE the words "to protect the children." Every time I hear that, I know some of my rights are going to get flushed down the shitter. Instead of screwing the entirety of the population over a handful of sick bastards, they should just start shooting people that pray on children and the let the rest of us get on with our lives.