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Sinaloa Cartel & DEA

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by genuinemommy, Jan 14, 2014.

  1. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    Do you think that the deal made between the United States' DEA and the Sinaloa Cartel has improved the violence in Mexico?
    How do you feel about a government entity making such a deal?

    A few snippets from an article, read the rest here:
    The U.S. Government And The Sinaloa Cartel - Business Insider

    My sister-in-law is a highly educated, strong and beautiful woman who currently lives and works in California with my brother. Recently their home got a bit more crowded. She is from Chihuahua, and her family fled (legally - this is not a debate on illegal immigration) because of the extreme threat to their lives from cartel violence. So whenever I hear about Mexican drug cartels, I'm all ears.
     
    genuinemommy, Jan 14, 2014
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    So the enemy of your enemy is your friend?
    Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer?

    I'd say this is a deal with this cartel that is more "lawful good" than those which are more "chaotic good".
    Like you could deal with a corrupt judge or a stable gangster than a riot or serial killers.

    Sure they're all bad and evil and you're hoping to get rid of them all in the future.
    But reality is...there's only so many resources and influences you have. (even for a nation like the US)

    Some of these gangs are just friggin' out of control...maniacs.
    So you leverage the "stable" gangs...get info, use them to help keep control.
    Believe it or not...the stable "rational" gangs are just as scared of the crazy gangs as the governments are.

    Which would you be more worried about?
    The one group that is calmly servicing a corrupt citizenry and govt (let's not be hypocrites here...they got to get their money from someone...)
    Or one that is "randomly" firing at anything and everything??

    Let's put it this way...I'd rather deal with Putin than Hitler. Lucky Luciano than Charles Manson.
     
    rogue49, Jan 15, 2014
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  3. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    Well that didn't last long.

    I guess it is good that they gave up all the intel on the competitors before el Chapo was apprehended (with US help)

    Mexico needs to deal with this problem in a much bigger way, this was a good start. The US needs to address why there is such a big market for drugs.
     
    ASU2003, Feb 25, 2014
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  4. RedSneaker

    RedSneaker Very Tilted

    I do not think that there has been an reduction in violence or "services" from any of the cartels - the "disruption" of the Sinaloa cartel will likely result in increased violence to obtain territories.

    Sure, two of the top guys from Sinaloa have been captured, and at least one is cooperating - but look what DEA News reports he's said "Zambada-Niebla also admitted that he and his father, as well as other members of the Sinaloa Cartel, “were protected by the ubiquitous presence of weapons,” and that he had “constant bodyguards who possessed numerous military-caliber weapons.” Zambada-Niebla also admitted that he was aware that the cartel used violence and made credible threats of violence to rival cartels and to law enforcement in Mexico to facilitate its business." His life and El Chapo's life may be over - but it's a far cry from putting these guys out of business permanently...

    As I'm sure you know, they are very, very resilient. Despite major interdiction efforts - they find a way. They are like cockroaches in that way.

    @asu2003 - As far as "why there is such a big market for drugs" in the US - are you referring to illegal drugs, or illegally obtained drugs? Because, to my knowledge - they are trafficking in drugs of all types...and the reasons why are slightly different.
     
    RedSneaker, Apr 14, 2014
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  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    That's one thing about fighting the government.
    You may do it well, you may win for some time, they might be fully incompetent.
    But it will not go away...it has longer resources than you can deal with.
    Sooner or later, you trip.

    The only way you could succeed is to corrupt the govt enough that it won't go after you.
    Or you build the momentum on gaining govt power yourself...then take it over.

    But if you don't do that...then you're going under.
    It doesn't forget.

    I'd say the only reason the Mexican govt hasn't completely done it by now,
    are that the cartels are using the first method...they are corrupting the govt officials so much that they won't/can't move on them.

    The rest of the trafficking is because the US citizens are using so much, it is like sugar...drawing tons of "ants" to supply them.
    But the big ones...they get noted and put down. But if they get hit...others take their place...like playing "whack-a-mole".
     
    rogue49, Apr 14, 2014
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  6. RedSneaker

    RedSneaker Very Tilted

    In their minds, there is WAY too much money to be lost and they will do whatever they deem necessary to thrive.

    Just the money they pull in from small time users looking for RX meds would be incentive enough to keep it going. It's sort of unbelievable. And I feel fairly certain there are lots of kickbacks going around to keep the machine well oiled.
     
    RedSneaker, Apr 14, 2014
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