How To Get To Heaven When You Die

The people who reject Christ don't get 72 virgins. They get hell. The muslims die thinking that they are going to get 72 virgins, but they end up in hell.

 

And you really think you know how to get to heaven? So has every other religion that existed and disappeared prior to this. They all thought they knew how to get to heaven and they were wrong. You're wrong too.

 

...Says a book littered with inconsistencies written by different authors over centuries... i could easily pull a piece of text out my my book to say where you'll end up..but what's the point.

Unless you've been to the other side and back i think you're in no position to tell anyone what they will or wont get. you're beliefs are your beliefs but you're no different to the next member here...everyone here is mature and respectful enough to understand your views, but we're not here to be prosthelytize to no matter what your god teaches.

...and there's no way in hell you're taking my virgins off me.

 

I have always been struck by the irrationality implicit in the supposition that the same God who created humanity to bring forth a dazzlingly creative and beautiful diversity of cultures and ways of thought would turn around and make Himself accessible by only one single, rigidly proscribed philosophy, on pain of eternal damnation. And the astounding arrogance implicit in someone saying that their way was that single philosophy, and everyone else should give up what they believe and do that instead.

FWIW, Jews don't believe in Hell. Technically we don't believe in Heaven, either, though we have something which is a fairly comparable analogue. And we don't think you have to be Jewish to get there....

 

Agreed. And the same in regard to lots of excellent human beings of various other non-Christian traditions.

Although, to be fair, I know a lot of really lovely, deeply educated Christians who would also agree, and would likely claim that the God they believe in would make no such threats, let alone follow through on them. This kind of rigid, hellfire-and-damnation theology really only represents a very specific segment of Christianity. It's simply unfortunate that it happens to be a comparatively large and loud segment in the United States.

 

It's threads like these that make me so grateful for my fellow TFP'ers.

Chalk up another one for the Hall of Fame.

 

Like I said earlier, your engagement of your audience is poor. Since, judging by your username and post history, this is your thing, you really need to engage your brainmeats and post more than just scripture to be taken seriously here. Scripture is ok sometimes, used in context. But your whole "the book says so" argument doesn't hold a whole lot of weight unless people already believe in the book.

 

I wish all my TFP friends would give up their blasphemous ways and join me in the eternal salvation of jibbers crabst. melted butter is where it's at. and jibbers likes sandwiches and all manners of sexual deviation.

Please my friends, join me in the paradise behind Saturn's rings...

 

There are some religions out there who teach that there is no such thing as Hell. Some teach that hell is the only the grave. Some teach that hell is a place where souls are burned up in an instant. But that is not what the bible teaches. Today, I am going to demonstrate though the word of God that hell is a literal place of torment.
Where is hell?
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
(KJV)
Hell is down. Most bible scholars believe that it is in the center of the earth.
Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
(KJV)
Jesus's body remained on the earth, but His Spirit went to the heart of the earth, or center. Where is the heart of something located? In the center.
What is Hell?
1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Hell is a prison. It is a prison for those who have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior. Hell is no laughing matter. There is no party in hell.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. {strange: Gr. other}
(KJV)
Lu 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
First of all notice that this man was not happy. It says that he was tormented in this FLAME. Hell is fire. It is an eternal flame that never goes out.
Mr 9:3 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
It says where their worm dieth not and the FIRE is NOT quenched. Hell is eternal torment by fire.
Hell is outer darkness. There is no light there. It is pitch black, forever.
Mt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mt 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Lu 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Who goes to hell, and what is after hell?
Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
(KJV)
One day after everyone has been judged, hell and death will be cast into the lake of fire.
Re 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The devil is going to be cast into the lake of fire. Notice that it is a place of torment and that torment never ends.
Re 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(KJV)
Those who reject Jesus Christ and accept the mark of the beast are going to the lake of fire.
Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(KJV)
Those who reject Jesus Christ won't be found written in the book of life. They also will be cast into the lake of fire.
There is only one way out. That way is Jesus Christ.
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Who is God willing to save from hell and the lake of fire?
Ro 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How do we do this?
Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Ro 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
The bible says that whosoever believeth on Him shall NOT be ashamed. Are you willing to accept Jesus Christ today to be your Savior? Don't be ashamed. Raise your hand right now if you want Jesus Christ to save you and someone will show you from the bible, God's word how you can know without a doubt that you will go to heaven when you die and that you won't have to go to this place called hell.
12 ¶ For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
God is willing to save ANYONE no matter what you have done, if you will simply call upon upon Jesus Christ to save you. Will you do that today?

 

1. If you already acknowledge that other religions (and for that matter, different sects of your own religion) teach other things, why would you imagine that your attempting to contradict them will be persuasive on the adherents of those other religions and sects?
2. Your "demonstration" is merely setting forth a number of quotes, largely from Christian scripture (which, let's remember, is only held to be sacred text by Christians), all of which are entirely subject to interpretation. You are presuming-- incorrectly-- that your interpretations are the only authentic ones and that they are self-evident.
3. You state that "this is not what the Bible says," when what you actually mean is, "This is what my particular interpretations of Christian scripture say." Not everyone includes Christian scripture in what they refer to as "the Bible" (and not all religions even have a "Bible"), and again, different Christians have different interpretations of Christian scriptures.
4. You state that your "Biblical" proofs are "the word of God," but not everyone believes that any (let alone every) part of the Bible is of divine authorship, let alone, again, those of us who do not attribute either sanctity or divinity to Christian scriptures.

You need to understand that your "argument" is entirely circular: your only proofs are evidence only if one shares your beliefs already. This is one major reason among many why it is a waste of time trying to convert people.

I'm not even touching (again) on why it is extremely arrogant and offensive to tell other people that their thoughtfully-held beliefs are wrong and only yours are right. Nor, for that matter, am I touching on the innumerable ways that belief in a literal hell of eternal torment is a horrifyingly medieval and deeply philosophically problematic theology.

I am merely pointing out that you are wasting your effort by presenting as objective evidence of your viewpoint a series of highly subjective teachings which are only persuasive to those who already share your particular views. You are not going to convince anyone here (or, likely, most other places) of anything in such a fashion. Not only would it be to everyone's benefit for you to stop trying, but doing so would then give you free time to contemplate the various other reasons why trying to convert people to your views who are already satisfied and happy with their beliefs is a bad idea.

Edit: Also, you should invest in a better translation of the Hebrew scriptures. That's not what that verse from Isaiah means. It should actually be rendered along the lines of, "Rather, you shall descend to the place of the dead, to the furthest bounds of the grave;" and it should also not be taken out of context. The verse is part of a chapter that promises the redemption of the People Israel in their ancestral land. It has nothing to do with the afterlife: the verse you cite is poetic imagery. You might also wish to invest in a course or two on how to read and understand the Hebrew Bible.

 

Trying to convince yourself, @Christian?

 

I want to join one of those snake-handling churches. I like animals....


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Will I go to heaven if I get bitten by a snake? Will I be the fault of all mankind if I eat an apple given to me by said snake? Can I keep the snake and name him buttercup?