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Politics The 2016 US Presidential Election

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by ASU2003, Mar 23, 2015.

  1. Trump's pageants are Miss USA and Universe, not Miss America, Ace. Just thought I would point that out for you.
     
  2. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    If we take into consideration their methodology and assumptions there is nothing wrong with the CBO. However, the pattern is that when the CBO publishes a headline favorable to the point of view of a politician they run with it, when the CBO publishes a headline unfavorable to the point of view of a politician they run from it. I find it hard to follow and to know when and when are not using CBO numbers. Either way I tend to take the little extra time to understand the numbers and when I do take that time in most cases they are forced into unrealistic assumptions. The numbers are subject to constant revision and their intial projections are wrong 100% of the time I have looked into it. If, now you want to go through the exercise of reviewing the CBO numbers related to the deficit and the ACA - please understand that I will not take their projections at face value.

    The repeal votes have been purely symbolic. We have always known there was/is no way the ACA will be repealed while Obama is in office. The serious proposals will come under the next President and may simply be major modifications and fixes to the existing law. The strategy of just getting the law passed, no matter how bad, worked. And please honestly acknowledge that was the strategy - get people comfortable with the goodies, backload the costs and potential problems and fix them later...I can not argue with the effectiveness of the strategy, I just think it is not a good way to do things.

    Not true. Everyone acknowledged there is/was a problem. More leadership was needed for a bipartisan bill.


    The current system is regressive. It is not possible to have a tax system that is not going to be regressive in one form or another when there are elements of social programs to help the low income - because as income grows and benefits decrease the marginal costs are very high. Taxing consumption is the fairest system because as people spend more they are taxed more and we can develop a system where basic items are not taxed, i.e. food, rent, education, work related transportation, etc.

    To me it is interesting that a business owner can deduct business related transportation costs (costs that generates income) but a common worker can not deduct the costs he/she has (commuting) to earn his income. Our system is screwed up.



    That is not totally true - rich people exploit loopholes in tax policy. So, yes it may be true that on the income subject to income tax they pay a higher effective rate - but on total wealth generation they do not. Warren Buffet can pay himself a relative low salary while generating billions in wealth that is not taxable income. Until everyone in DC understands these simple truths - we will never have a tax policy that does what they want it to do. Taxing consumption (live like a billionaire get taxed accordingly - live modestly get taxed accordingly) is the simplest, fairest and best way to reform our tax code. However, I do agree it is likely never to happen. Liberals are fixated on the percentage thinking that is the problem and the rich will protect a complicated tax code full of loopholes. Eventually, people like me will give up and just play the game. After I make my first billion, yes I too will complain about how I pay a lower tax rate than my secretary knowing that if I simply reported more income as income as defined by the IRS that would not be the case.



    Or think how history might have changed if Sarah Palin won the Miss Alaska pageant instead of first runner up!




    Lindsey Graham wont be sitting at the big kids table at the debates, but Marco Rubio will and he helped write the 2013 bi-partisan (gang of eight) Senate immigration reform bill and then voted against it when faced with backlash from the Tea Party.[/quote]
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    Thanks, I am not into pageants. I found it odd that Trump owns Miss USA and Universe -I would have thought pageants like that would be set up as nonprofits.
     
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  3. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    The Republicans installed their own man as the head of CBO earlier this year and revised the manner in which they "score" legislation by now using "dynamic scoring" or more conservative (supply side) assumptions and yet they still could not hide the impact of repealing the ACA.


    Lots of revisionist history in your post, ace. The Republicans in the Senate made it absolutely clear that they would not vote for an Obama health care reform bill under any circumstance, despite having many of their amendments included.

    A recent example came to light again this week. It was a Republican proposal, based on a Republican-sponsored bill in 2007 (two years before the ACA) that enabled Medicare to cover end of life counseling and was included in the ACA....a provision that resulted in Sarah Palin screaming "Obama wants death panels and to kill my baby" and the provision removed.

    That provision is back again in the form of a White House initiative and a bi-partisan Senate bill.

    With Palin Death Panels' Debunked, Congress Pushes End-of-Life Planning
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    More from a 2009 interview of Republican Senator Johnny Isakson who proposed the end-of-life provision in the ACA only to face the ignorance and wrath of Sarah Palin and all those who ignorantly jumped on her bandwagon!

    Ending the BS: Republican Johnny Isakson talks about end-of-life amendment he helped sponsor.
     
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  4. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Toronto
  5. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
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  7. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

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    Oh, it gets so much worse:

    The flagship magazine of Republicans everywhere just called Bernie Sanders a Nazi....

     
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  8. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    Hopefully the field has been determined for the 2016 election, and the primary season has heated up fast in the media. How do you think the primaries are going so far? Have you volunteered for a candidate yet? Have you been contacted by one of their campaign volunteers at an event?


    Confirmed Democrats:
    Hillary Clinton
    Bernie Sanders
    Martin O'Malley
    Lincoln Chafee
    Andrew Caffrey
    Willie Carter
    Doug Shreffler
    Micheal Steinburg
    Robby Wells
    Morrison Bonpasse
    Brad Winslow
    Willie Wilson
    Lloyd Kelso
    Harry Braun


    Confirmed Republicans:
    Jeb Bush
    Ted Cruz
    Rand Paul
    Donald Trump
    Marco Rubio
    Dr. Ben Carson
    Scott Walker
    Chris Christie
    Carly Fiorina
    Lindsey Graham
    Mike Huckabee
    Bobby Jidal
    Rick Perry
    John Kasich
    George Pataki
    Rick Santorum
    Skip Andrews
    Mark Everson
    Kerry Bowers
    Dale Christensen
    John Dummett Jr.
    Mark Everson
    Chris Hill
    Michael Kinlaw
    Michael Petyo
    Brian Russel
    Ole' Savior ;)
    Michael Bickelmeyer
    Jim Hayden
    Shawna Sterling
    Jack Fellure
    Brooks Cullison
    Jefferson Sherman



    Confirmed Libertarian:
    Marc Feldman
    Darryl Perry
    Steve Kerbel
    Cecil Ince
    Joy Waymire
    Derricl Reid


    Confirmed Green:
    Jill Stein
    John Ferguson
    Willita D. Bush
    Kent Mesplay


    Confirmed Independent:
    Paul Chehade
    Mark Dutter
    Martin Hahn
    David Hendrix
    David Holcomb
    Lynn Sandra Kahn
    Bishop Julian Lewis Jr.
    Mark Pendleton
    Scott Smith
    Tami Stainfield
    Samm Tittle
    Jeremiah Pent
    Robert Steele



    Confirmed Reform Party:
    Ken Cross


    Confirmed Constitution Party:
    Chad Kopple
    Scott Copeland
    J.R. Myers


    Confirmed Socialist:
    Dean Capone



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    Possible Democrats:
    Joe Biden
    Elizabeth Warren
    Al Gore
    Jerry Brown
    Jim Webb
    Barbara Boxer
    Andrew Cuomo
    Kirsten Gillibrand
    Deval Patrick
    Michael Bennet
    Evan Bayh
    Mark Warner
    Julian Castro
    Cory Booker
    Claire McCaskill
    Dan Malloy
    Russ Feingold
    Brian Schweitzer
    Jay Nixon
    John Kerry
    Amy Klobuchar


    Possible Republicans:
    Condoleeza Rice
    Paul Ryan
    Bob McDonald
    Rob Portman
    Rick Snyder
    John Bolton
    Peter King
    Jim Gilmore
    Bob Ehrlich
    Mike Pense


    Possible Green:
    Cynthia McKinney
    Darryl Cherney


    Possible Libertarian:
    Gary Johnson


    Possible Independent:
    Colin Powell
    Dennis Michael Lynch
    Matt Gonzalez
     
  9. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

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  10. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    Rick Perry (among the bottom five Republicans running for president and polling at 1+ %) on Donald Trump:

    The real carnival opens on Aug. 6 with the first Republican debate.
     
  11. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    My hubs and I are going to a Bernie Sanders event here in town next week. We're excited because there is finally a presidential candidate we agree on.
     
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  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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  13. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

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    It's early, but be careful of underestimating Trump. Populists like Trump have a way of winning despite the ridicule and flimsy policy.

    Learn from Toronto's mistakes. Rob Ford was a disaster.
     
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  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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  15. Derwood

    Derwood Slightly Tilted

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  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    He's trying to trump Trump.
     
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  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Ok, the initial cast has been set for the first GOP play.
    GOP debate lineup

    I have 2 serious questions...Ben Carter & Ted Cruz??? (One's crazy...the other is lowsome and has pissed off every GOP senator you can think of...much less the reps)
    Couldn't have at least given women a small show of respect with Carly Fiorina or other more sane candidates?? :confused:

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    On the Dem side....
    Why Hillary Clinton needs a little bit of Biden-ness

    SO true
    She really needs to kick the personality up a notch.
    Take the stick out of your ass...don't go Gore on us. :rolleyes:
     
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  18. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Can one room contain so much anti-intellectualism without causing a maelstrom of ignorance and narcissism?
     
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  19. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

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    Ha! I was totally about to note that that could be too much douchebaggery in one place...!
     
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  20. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Sounds like Fox News did a good job on the GOP debates, if even a New York Times op-ed is complimenting it...
    A Foxy, Rowdy Republican Debate

    I haven't been able to see it yet, but it sounds like Trump trumped himself from the media commotion.