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Politics The 2016 US Presidential Election

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by ASU2003, Mar 23, 2015.

  1. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

    Location:
    Colorado

    Don't go blaming Trump on liberals, we'll hold our noses while voting for Hilary. Trump is all on Fox News, the Tea Party, and the truth optional msg of conservatism.
     
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  2. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

    Location:
    Earth
    Was my post wording confusing? I'm not a fan of either candidate nor do I care how folks legislate where a dude in pantyhose takes a shit in public.

    This country has so many, many things that take priority over that and the fact that we are wasting time on this is a prime example of Rome burning.
     
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  3. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    No, it was not confusing at all.

    And you reinforced that you dont care that Republicans are legislating legal discrimination.

    Or it is just not that big of a deal.

    Okay.
     
  4. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    The T in LGBT stands for transexual, not transvestite.

    This is prime example of the fallacy of relative privation or the "not as bad" argument, to which the Roman statesman Seneca the Younger once responded by writing "Being good is not just being better than the worst."

    This particular usage involving a false dichotomy which assumes that we cannot address multiple injustices simultaneously is commonly used in attempt to refute arguments objecting to discrimination.
     
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  5. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    In the case of "where dudes in pantyhose take a shit" as was so colorfully expressed, it is emblematic of a growing movement among the more extreme Evangelical right, and the Republican politicians who share their beliefs or pander to them, to restrict individual rights only to those that meet some Biblical standards of "family values" .... denying women's reproductive rights by giving 14th amendment rights to a fertilized egg, defining marriage as only between a man and a woman or, as several Cruz supporters have suggested, re-criminalizing homosexuality.

    Individual rights are a big deal.
     
  6. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member


    Yet that is the exact argument I hear from 98% of the voters in this election cycle. "S/he's not as bad as...."
     
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  7. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

    Location:
    Earth
    Pre-op or post-op? Didn't realize the procedure was available via vending machine yet.

    Based on the mountains of tax code, check the block education system, the perpetual war against an amorphous non-state enemy and ever-increasing shredding of the 4th amendment "for our own safety"... we clearly can't.
     
  8. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I want to go on record by saying that the closest thing this election race has to a moderate Republican is Hillary Clinton.

    The T actually stands for Transgender, and not all transgender people consider themselves transsexual and seek surgery. There's also hormone replacement therapy as a nonsurgical option. Regardless, a transwoman isn't a man dressed as a woman. You're thinking of a drag queen.
     
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  9. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    I'm just watching the mainstream media totally ignore or downplay how Bernie seems to be catching up to Hillary a bit. He handed her her ass in WA, HI, and AK. He looks like he's going to do well in WI on the 5th, too. If he can make a good showing in NY, that's going to be a major step forward. And of course the media is like, "Why doesn't he just give up already?!"

    I actually saw an interesting article, though, that said that if Hillary is nominated, her best pick for VP would be Al Franken. He's hella progressive, so he'd sway back a lot of the Bernie hardcores, he comes from a state with a Democratic governor, so his move to VP wouldn't cost us any Senate seats, and he's both wonky and witty enough to win any debates handily. Plus, you know, he has a personality, and at least one person on the ticket should have one, so that would seem to work in Hillary's favor. If she did tap him, that would cut some of the bitterness of having to vote for her corporate plutocrat ass.

    But I'm still hoping for Bernie. If he can just equal or come out ahead in regular delegates, my guess will be that the superdelegates will feel intense pressure to reconsider their votes, otherwise it's going to be crystal clear that the Democratic party is no longer actually democratic in any meaningful way.
     
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  10. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Actually, Kasich is a moderate Republican
    HC is more of a hawkish, fiscally conservative Democrat. (but certainly not GOP, she's not "anti-government")

    Al Franken would be a good choice, like HC he's put his nose to the grindstone in his position, a wonk...you're right @Levite he's a progressive that would bring in the Bernie folk.
    Bonus: He's still hollywood and he'd counteract Trump's glamor, he'd bring some humor and humanity to HC and he'd be a good quick stick with his wit against anything Trump could say.
    Excellent Choice. (And if he went for Prez after VP...he could be the first Jewish president.)

    **I mean, we really got to get our checklist out of the way before we elect a WASP old man again. (black, female, jewish, hispanic, gay, asian, etc... ;) )
     
  11. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

    Location:
    Earth
    Nope, I'm thinking my point was lost in a deep, deep sea of SJW Kool-Aid.

    Get your acronyms straight, people.

    Top drawer deflection, though.
     
  12. Derwood

    Derwood Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    What was your point exactly?
     
  13. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    That's the "lesser of two evils" principle, and it's logically valid in two-party systems, because they entail a true dichotomy.

    Yes, transgender. The point I was trying to convey is the same as yours: Plan9 is conflating cross-dressing with LGBT. Further, it would seem that he framed his argument in that manner in order to trivialize or even deny transgender identities.
     
  14. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Not during the primary, when there are multiple options on both sides.
     
  15. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    It's still a true dichotomy in the primaries. Every Republican vote is either a Kasich vote or a non-Kasich vote, for example. The difference between true and false dichotomies is that in a true dichotomy, only one option can be chosen.
     
  16. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Why are seperate bathrooms even a thing still? Just replace urinals with stalls that actually offer some privacy and make them all unisex. You can do your business in a little shitcloset and wash your hands next to other adults just fine. I mean fucks sake I'm used to changing in mixed gender situations.


    With the current delegate count at 980 to 1,243 Bernie's nowhere near out of the race, especially since he's still got states that are bastions of liberal voters coming up which could easily cannibalize Hillary's remaining pledged delegate lead if not outstrip it entirely. At this point even mainstream media pundits are starting to break script and openly balk at how pathetically transparent and forced the narrative of Hillary "winning" is, especially in light of Bernie's massive crowds and obscene fundraising ability. I mean think about it, this guy managed to out-raise Hillary entirely with small donors. As it stands if the superdelegates were to switch sides he'd be beating her by a notable margin and she likely wouldn't catch up. She's in the race almost solely due to the combined inertia of party elites, megacorporate backing, and a complete media blackout on Bernie. Sooner or later someone is going to point out the Emperess has no clothes on.

    That's why I see this election as a massive realignment for both sides. Trump and Sanders are both forcing the catastrophic breakdown of their respective party establishments, if the DNC goes with Hillary over Bernie entirely due to superdelegates or a negligible pledged delegate margin it's going to be a brutal pyrrhic victory for her.

    Meanwhile over in the GOP camp they'll probably never be able to get everyone behind Trump which will cause vicious infighting, and Trump has become such a celebrity candidate among their voters that to declare Cruz or someone else the candidate by fiat would probably cause an internal civil war.

    There's no good option for either party es
     
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  17. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

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  18. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    You mean Scotch?
     
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  19. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX

    I really, really hope that Trump does not win and all the those conservatives get exactly what they don't want: A moderately liberal Supreme Court.
     
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  20. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Pretty sure it's PBR.