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Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by genuinemommy, Jul 12, 2016.

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  1. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    So here's mine.

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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    And it would be nice for the nation to see it too...so the know the REAL bad shit coming at us.
    Perhaps it would give them some much deserved reality.

    But, I guess it would cause great panic...then again, someone should be panicked. (I guess that's a semi-refute...)
    Isn't that what we pay them for???
     
  3. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Unfortunately @wye they want the easy answer.
    Yours is much too complicated.
     
  5. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    Well, our minority-elect seems to understand that power structures are incentivizing the outsourcing of labor, and, so far, he's pushing to incentivize manufacturing to stay (but not yet to remove the incentive to leave, such as he's promised with "renegotiating NAFTA"). However, he still has scapegoated immigrants for taking domestic jobs rather than going after the labor laws that allow corporations to exploit immigrants who they can pay less for longer hours, no benefits, no union, and no leave. His own companies (a modeling agency and a construction firm) have abused employees they brought to the US on H-1B visas and subjected underpayed undocumented immigrants to abusive working conditions. I'll be surprised if he enacts laws against any of this, because that would amount to a considerable financial loss for his companies.
     
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  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Yes...completely and utterly true.
    And unfortunately, no matter how many times you say this to certain people...they don't register it.
    It's easier for them to blame the outsider.

    AND there's an inherent conflict of interest going after the business, which are the "job creators" and "money makers".

    This is basically like the cops which arrest the whore...and not the john. Again, again and again.
    They only go after the "bad" thing, not the "established" thing.

    Besides, the established thing can defend themselves in court...and often get themselves off.
    They'd rather go after the thing/person that is the easy hit....easily prosecution, easy win, easy punishment.
    They get to take the "moral highroad" and it's win win for them.

    Go after the witch and the devil.
    Not the human or the rich entity with connections.

    You're absolutely right.
    They need to go after the businesses that hire them...again & again & again.

    Oh yeah, they also conveniently forget that the immigrants DO pay taxes...these are taken out by the businesses, even if illegal. And they get nothing back for it.
    Actually, it seems they pay more than our "minority-elect" :rolleyes:

    **BTW...I am a capitalist...Make all the profit you can...I just expect everyone to be honorable.
     
  7. Knight Templar

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  8. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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  9. Knight Templar

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  10. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    WRONG! How many times will you continue to post this falsehood? I've posted this refutation of it twice before, but it seems that each time you failed to read it. Please stop posting in this thread if you can't bother to read any replies to your posts.

    One of the biggest flaws in gun rights rhetoric is the naive notion that "bad guys" or "criminals" are to blame for gun deaths. As I alluded to earlier, about two-thirds of gun deaths in the US are suicides and lethal accidents. Of gun homicides, about 80% are committed by someone known to the victim (primarily acquaintances, husbands, boyfriends, fathers, friends, and other family, according to FBI figures for known relationships of murder victims with their killers).

    As you might imagine, the perpetrators of these murders are generally not career criminals. That leaves 7% of overall gun deaths as homicides committed by strangers. Maybe they're the criminals who would be unaffected by gun control laws?

    Not according to criminology data:

    "Certain laws intended to prevent prohibited persons from accessing firearms—rigorous permit-to-purchase, comprehensive background checks, strong regulation and oversight of gun dealers, and requiring gun owners to promptly report lost or stolen firearms—are negatively associated with the diversion of guns to criminals."
    Effects of Policies Designed to Keep Firearms from High-Risk Individuals, Annual Review of Public Health

    "Regression models estimate that comprehensive regulation and oversight of gun dealers and state regulation of private sales of handguns were each associated with significantly lower levels of intrastate gun trafficking."
    Effects of State-Level Firearm Seller Accountability Policies on Firearm Trafficking, Journal of Urban Health

    "These findings suggest that more restrictive gun sales laws and gun dealer regulations do make it more difficult for criminals to acquire new guns first purchased at retail outlets."
    Impact of California firearms sales laws and dealer regulations on the illegal diversion of guns, Injury Prevention

    There's an even stronger scientific consensus that gun control laws can reduce suicide rates in the US. Statistical evidence clearly indicates that states with stricter gun control have significantly lower rates of gun death and overall suicide.

    "Results support the hypothesis that state restrictions on firearms have the potential to reduce the suicide rate. Findings do not support a hypothesis that greater firearm restrictions are associated with the substitution of alternative methods of suicide."
    State firearm laws and rates of suicide in men and women, American Journal of Preventive Medicine

    "The analysis suggests that gun control measures such as permit and licensing requirements have a negative effect on suicide rates among males. Since there is considerable heterogeneity among states with regard to gun control, these results suggest that there are opportunities for many states to reduce suicide by expanding their firearms regulations."
    Gun control and suicide: The impact of state firearm regulations in the United States, 1995–2004, Health Policy

    "We found that lower homicide rates were associated with states that required licensing and inspections. We concluded that firearm dealer regulations might be an effective harm reduction strategy for firearm homicide."
    Evaluating the Effect of State Regulation of Federally Licensed Firearm Dealers on Firearm Homicide, American Journal of Public Health

    Both firearm and overall homicide and suicide rates within states have been shown to decrease following enactment of gun control laws and to increase following their repeal.

    "The synthetic control model estimated a 15.4% reduction in firearm suicide rates associated with Connecticut's PTP law. Missouri's PTP law repeal was associated with a 16.1% increase in firearm suicide rates."
    Effects of changes in permit-to-purchase handgun laws in Connecticut and Missouri on suicide rates, Preventive Medicine

    "Consistent with prior research, this study demonstrated that Connecticut’s handgun permit-to-purchase law was associated with a subsequent reduction in homicide rates. As would be expected if the law drove the reduction, the policy’s effects were only evident for homicides committed with firearms."
    Association Between Connecticut's Permit-to-Purchase Handgun Law and Homicides, American Journal of Public Health

    "Using death certificate data available through 2010, the repeal of Missouri’s PTP law was associated with an increase in annual firearm homicides rates of 1.09 per 100,000 (+23 %) but was unrelated to changes in non-firearm homicide rates. Using Uniform Crime Reporting data from police through 2012, the law’s repeal was associated with increased annual murders rates of 0.93 per 100,000 (+16 %). These estimated effects translate to increases of between 55 and 63 homicides per year in Missouri."
    Effects of the Repeal of Missouri’s Handgun Purchaser Licensing Law on Homicides, Journal of Urban Health

    Gun ownership is correlated with both homicide and suicide, even when controlling for socioeconomic confounders.

    "Rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance."
    Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home, New England Journal of Medicine

    "Where firearm ownership levels are higher, a disproportionately large number of people die from suicide."
    Household Firearm Ownership and Suicide Rates in the United States, Epidemiology

    "Changes in household firearm ownership over time are associated with significant changes in rates of suicide for men, women, and children. These findings suggest that reducing availability to firearms in the home may save lives, especially among youth."
    The association between changes in household firearm ownership and rates of suicide in the United States, 1981–2002, Injury Prevention

    "Legal purchase of a handgun appears to be associated with a long-lasting increased risk of violent death."
    The association between the purchase of a handgun and homicide or suicide, American Journal of Public Health

    It's a nasty truth, but universal gun rights policies are pro-death policies.
     
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  11. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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    This here ?
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  12. Knight Templar

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  13. Knight Templar

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  14. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    Oh fuck this so much.

    The young people I know have been through some serious shit and they are as strong as any generation, just in a different way.
    My kids are tough as nails when they need to be but they don't feel like they have to insult gay people or people with disabilities.
    They make a choice to not hurt other peoples feelings and to not treat people like shit.
    The truth is fine and dandy but when people think that the truth should be insulting and hurtful then they are just being assholes.
     
  15. Knight Templar

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  17. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    ^ I can't argue with that.
     
  18. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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    ^ I am shocked ! I finally post something that could not be argue about !

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  19. Knight Templar

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  20. Knight Templar

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