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SCOTUS - US Supreme Court (and other court stuff)

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Jun 17, 2019.

  1. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
  2. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    This Thursday.

    What will happen? I see either of the following scenarios as highly likely.

    Take forever to review the case, then table it until after the election.

    Find a way to apply immunity to NPD Trump but not to Biden. Perhaps say immunity does exist, but it isn't blanket or automatic, it has to be determined on a case by case basis.
     
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  3. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Live Updates: Supreme Court Hears Trump’s Claim to ‘Absolute Immunity’

    Frankly, this is the dice rolling..
    It could go either way.
    A crapshoot.
    Not because it should go one way...but because the majority of the court is biased. (and some have some literal connections to one side)

    As the link says, most justices think the prez should have "some immunity".
    I think the closest prez that got reviewed for abuse of power, was Nixon. (and he was pardoned before anything could happen)
    And I haven't heard his name come up yet.

    The advocate for the government side has some good cred, and is one of the better ones to make the arguments.
    But from the line of questioning, a few justices seem to have made up their minds. (either way)

    Thomas is notorious for not asking anything, but he'll definitely vote to Chump (he's almost 100% reliable)
    And Alito will more than likely side that way to, he's fairly reliable for Chump.
    The 3 non-conservatives will likely vote for allowing a court case. (Sotomayor, Kagan and Brown)

    So we've got Roberts and Coney-Barrett are unknowns, so far.
    Kavanaugh tends to go with Roberts. (so that could go either way, but he doesn't like the vagueness...however, much of the Constitution is fairly open and vague...but there's no precedent here to push either way)
    and while Gorsuch is usually fairly conservative...some of the previous statements when he was an appellate judge have been leaning towards rule of law and not giving full immunity.

    So, we got
    2 for full immunity
    1 for partial immunity (Kavanaugh will allow it, IMHO...but wants some limits put in.)
    3 for not
    3 are up in the air.

    I think they'll go for partial immunity...saying the prez doesn't have carte blanche, but in many cases the prez does have more leeway.
    Question is...what will they allow it for and what won't they.
    They may split the difference, saying that the documents, he can do what he wants...prez prerogative.
    But for the election interference, they will say that wasn't an emergency or security risk...and allow a case on that.

    What do y'all think???
     
  5. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    The Supremes will piss around,
    come up with some kind of partial immunity,
    kick it back to the lower courts,
    and then breathe a sigh of relief.
     
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  6. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    Supreme Court hears arguments on Trump immunity case

    As just about everybody predicted it doesn't appear this is going to be settled anytime pre election.

    Our country, the mighty :rolleyes: United States of America, has turned into a cesspool.
     
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