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honestchipmunk · 09-10-2004, 06:07 PM

First, in regards to the 18th century technology bits: touche, nicely done.

However, if we're using your hypothetical crowd shooting example, what would you have the crowd do? Shoot back? Ok so they shoot back and the whole thing becomes a mess and vigilante groups spring up all over the country and they fight all the time with the US military. No one really wins ever, and lots of people die on both sides. However, because the oppressed side refuses to remain peaceful, its impossible for world opinion to back them because the US government (while forgetting that they started the thing) will say that every new attack on the armed protesters was retialiation for a previous one. And, they'd be right. The armed protesters storm buildings and take out their tyranical oppressors' guards, but also kill a couple of civilians in the process. So essentially everything is at a standstill, with people steadily dying and no end in sight.

Doesn't this sound a lot like Israel/Palistine?

We forget that it was not only our American revolutionaries that were able to overthrow the British. We had the full backing and support of France (yes, France) and they aided us tremendiously in winning. So, what I guess I'm trying to say is, I don't think any heavily armed militia can beat the US military, were it to suddenly turn evil. Militia groups need backing from some other military power to win outright. Possilbly we could recreate Israel/Palistine here (or the movie Red Dawn) with only a well-armed militia, but actually defend ourselves? No way.

This makes me think that having guns for the purpose of defence against a tyrannical government with our military capabilities is essentially a non-point. We just better hope that never happens, but if it does, hell, I guess we can appeal to France again.

09-10-2004, 06:07 PM	#43 (permalink)
honestchipmunk Upright	First, in regards to the 18th century technology bits: touche, nicely done. However, if we're using your hypothetical crowd shooting example, what would you have the crowd do? Shoot back? Ok so they shoot back and the whole thing becomes a mess and vigilante groups spring up all over the country and they fight all the time with the US military. No one really wins ever, and lots of people die on both sides. However, because the oppressed side refuses to remain peaceful, its impossible for world opinion to back them because the US government (while forgetting that they started the thing) will say that every new attack on the armed protesters was retialiation for a previous one. And, they'd be right. The armed protesters storm buildings and take out their tyranical oppressors' guards, but also kill a couple of civilians in the process. So essentially everything is at a standstill, with people steadily dying and no end in sight. Doesn't this sound a lot like Israel/Palistine? We forget that it was not only our American revolutionaries that were able to overthrow the British. We had the full backing and support of France (yes, France) and they aided us tremendiously in winning. So, what I guess I'm trying to say is, I don't think any heavily armed militia can beat the US military, were it to suddenly turn evil. Militia groups need backing from some other military power to win outright. Possilbly we could recreate Israel/Palistine here (or the movie Red Dawn) with only a well-armed militia, but actually defend ourselves? No way. This makes me think that having guns for the purpose of defence against a tyrannical government with our military capabilities is essentially a non-point. We just better hope that never happens, but if it does, hell, I guess we can appeal to France again. __________________ I'm only a ghost, the breeze on your face when you first smell the coast.