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Old 11-20-2006, 12:04 PM   #101 (permalink)
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great post; albeit i pretty much completely disagree with it, but i'm glad you're here to take up the other side with foolthemall. you've both made several points that are giving me cause to think about this.

1. i'm guessing from your post that this attitude carries over to other issues as well. you don't care if someone is honest in their representations of their character, as long as they espouse and are consistent to a list of campaign promises? do you care if they are true to their socio-political agenda?

2. i agree that everyone has a zone of privacy they deserve and should be able to maintain. i think that a person who chooses to disclose certain aspects of their lives to the public should be honest about those statements. if you're not, then don't make statements about that topic at all. it seems to me you're not advocating passive non-disclosure, but active lying. is this correct?

3. the affect of the hypocracy isn't only a product of their legislative power, but also in terms of creating and sustaining the environment of discrimination. as a politician, they have the bully pulpit, so to speak. they run for office so that their opinion can be heard more loudly and can recieve more attention. in this case, its not just about "gay marriage," its about an atmosphere wherein people are deprived of basic rights.

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Originally Posted by loquitur
I respect them if they're gay, I respect them if they're not, and I respect their choices about what to tell other people about their private lives. I'm not so arrogant as to think that my own views are automatically binding on other people.
do you respect them if they are being lied to? of course you think your views are binding on other people, or that they should be. you don't want private details disclosed to the public. how do you feel about murder? rape? etc? we all want some of our views to be binding on other people, we're just not in agreement on which views in this case, or at least it seems that way to me. i'm not saying, nor are others in this thread that people shouldn't be allowed to keep their lives private, or that they shouldn't be allowed to be hypocritical in areas...but then don't be a politician or else don't legislate those activities. otherwise, you're going to get caught with your pants down.
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