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Old 07-15-2007, 04:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by jorgelito
I think a big part of the problem is the blurring of the lines between news/fact and opinion. Our news services don't always do a good job of differentiating the two. I think it is very important to have a clear presentation of the news and facts as it were and then a very clear presentation of opinion segments.

I am conservative. But guess where I get my news? BBC and NPR. I like the way they present and format their info. Even their opinion "talk" style segments are pretty well balanced (like "Left, Right, and Center"). If I am desperate, I will look at CNN.com.

I do think that our MSM News contributes to hardcore partisanship, but it's not just a "left-wing" bias. Virtually the entire band of AM (except for ESPN) is very active in fanning the flames and pushing people's buttons. That type of right-wing bias is just as guilty in terms of intensifying partisanship.
jorgelito, I cannot comprehend, with your reference to CNN, what you are talking about. Hugh Hewitt's opinion of MSM "bias", as if it were a given, is baffling to me, as well.

I think that "the problem" is a result of 15 years of Brett Bozell III's, et al "campaign" to convince appreciable numbers of people to avoid news reporting of MSM. That leaves open an opportunity for "news" to be delivered by Hewitt and "Salem news network", instead.

I doubt that most who call themselves conservative, rely on BBC and NPR for news reports. You are fortunate to rely on those sources, but...BBC does not provide, "in depth" coverage of the details that led to the DOJ Sentate and house committee hearings, for example. McClatchy, formerly Knight-Ridder, has done the best job of reporting those details....and, if you don't read what they've reported...since January, you won't understand the context of the questions asked to Gonzales and his staff, by the congressional committees...

If the press was "liberal", in it's bias....would it have taken "Martha"....(below)...of the white house press corps, until Sept., 15, 2006 to ask Bush about his four years of linking al Zaraqawi to Saddam, when this was reported, 2-1/2 years before, and there was more "in depth" reporting on this TFP Politics thread, two years before Martha asked her question:

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=73980

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www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601

By Jim Miklaszewski
Chief Pentagon correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 7:14 p.m. ET March 2, 2004

NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself —
but never pulled the trigger.   click to show 
Quote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0060915-2.html

Sept. 15, 2006

......MARTHA: Mr. President, you have said throughout the war in Iraq and building up to the war in Iraq that there was a relationship between Saddam Hussein and Zarqawi and al Qaeda.
A Senate Intelligence Committee report a few weeks ago said there was no link, no relationship, and that the CIA knew this and issued a report last fall. And yet a month ago, you were still saying there was a relationship. Why did you keep saying that? <h2>Why do you continue to say that? And do you still believe that?</h2>

BUSH: The point I was making to Ken Herman’s question was that Saddam Hussein was a state sponsor of terror,
and that Mr. Zarqawi was in Iraq
. He had been wounded in Afghanistan, had come to Iraq for treatment. He had ordered the killing of a U.S. citizen in Jordan.
I never said there was an operational relationship.....
Quote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea.../20060821.html

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
August 21, 2006


Press Conference by the President
White House Conference Center Briefing Room

......Q Quick follow-up. A lot of the consequences you mentioned for pulling out seem like maybe they never would have been there if we hadn't gone in. How do you square all of that?

THE PRESIDENT: I square it because, imagine a world in which <h3>you had Saddam Hussein who had the capacity to make a weapon of mass destruction, who was paying suiciders to kill innocent life, who would --who had relations with Zarqawi.....</h3>


jorgelito.....if it was a valid argument that CNN had a "liberal" bias, would this many examples, to the contrary, be available, in just 12 days?

Quote:
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topic...ault&offset=15

* CNN's Malveaux uncritically aired Bush claim   click to show 
If the MSM had a "liberal" bias, would Bush be able to claim, with almost no challenge, that the deficit this year, will total $212 billion, when the total debt has already increased, with still eleven weeks remaining in this fiscal year, $371 billion....remembering that this is the same debt benchmerk that recorded an annual increase of $18 billion, on Sept. 28, 2000?
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Debt to the Penny: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPD...application=np
Total US Treasury Debt; <b>$8,878,050,568,679.22 July 12, 2007</b>

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm
Prior Fiscal Years____Intragovernmental Holdings
09/29/2006 _______8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 _______7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 _______7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 _______6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 _______6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 _______5,807,463,412,200.06
09/28/2000 _______5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 _______5,656,270,901,633.43
If the NY Times had a "liberal" bias, that interfered with it's war reporting? Would this be a "turnaround"?:
Quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/13/wo...3qaeda.html?hp
July 13, 2007
Bush Distorts Qaeda Links,
Critics Assert   click to show 
<H3>....a "turnaround"....in the wake of this? :</h3>
Quote:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/07/09/hoyt/
Monday July 9, 2007 06:50 EST
The ongoing journalistic scandal at
the New York Times   click to show 
jorgelito, isn't it possible that your suspicion of a MSM "liberal" bias, is causing more damage to your POV, than if you weren't sensitive to that possibility, simply taking in the news reporting of each news gathering organization, and learning, by experience, which reporters and bureaus ended up with a reliable track record?

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