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Originally Posted by aceventura3
Look at the source cited by DC. If we agree there is 45 million without coverage and we agree that we are spending $43 billion on "uncompensated care" (a term in the report - in some cases uninsured people actually pay a portion of their bills) for those individuals that about $1,000 per person per year. Perhaps they don't get the best coverage, but I don't either. However, we all get the benefit of having the best medical system in the world, factoring in r&d, treatment options, regulations, wait times, etc.
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This $1000 per year number assumes equal distribution, and reliable numbers. I think the interesting thing, though, would be to ask if these uninsured people can afford $1000 a year for health insurance. I am of the opinion, based on numbers from other countries with universal healthcare (cept France), that universal healthcare will actually save money for everyone. $83 a month is a rather small bill for insurance, agreed?
And for getting the benefits of the health care, I disagree. In my own experience, I know that just because you have insurance does not mean you will get proper care, but this is also backed up in Sicko, when insurance companies promote cost cutting decisions that actually lead to deaths of people who are insured. The technology is there, for sure. The US is usually ahead in military and medical tech. That doesn't mean there's access, though, which is my point.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
My home town is an example of what you describe. It was in the "rustbelt".
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I'm so sorry.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
They legalized riverboat gambling. At first only a few benefited. Overtime new businesses were attracted, with an increased tax base many municipal projects were funded. The city is much nicer now that it was 25 years ago. What is it going to take to get you to believe "trickle down" actually works?
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What is it going to take? Results. We've had the current system for over 30 years. The trickle stops as soon as it gets into huge problems like insurance companies looking to increase profits, out of control lawsuits and insurance attached to that, high wages for doctors, and inconsistent care even for the insured.