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roachboy · 11-08-2007, 09:21 AM

host---my experience teaching is particular. i dont really have an idea of what constitutes "the typical"...anything i'd say would be anecdotal.

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on the op:

i think it a lunatic idea that students should be allowed to wander around a university strapped. it isnt worth serious consideration---its just fucking nuts.

aside: i have no problem with retro-organizations amongst students. a conservative political organization--even one predicated on a nutjob idea like enabling students to carry weapons on campus--is unlikely to be more stupid and retrograde than a fraternity or sorority. if i were to start banning things, i'd begin with those.

i would even be cheered by conservative political organizations if they provided conservative students with some idea of how to argue their politics to people who assume--to my mind rightly (but that's just me)----that there's no there there either logically or in terms of consequences in the 3-d world behind conservative politics.

you see this limitation continually here: conservatives do not and cannot outline or defend the premises for their arguments. it's as if the relation to politics that is presupposed by being-conservative is immediacy, and its some kind of strange rule violation to explain how arguments work. the result is that there is no debate--there is the repetition of mutually exclusive claims ("left"/right) based on axioms/assumptions that are never articulated. you would think that if a political ideology is worth investment that it'd be worth articulating at a remove and amenable to being defended logically--you know, at the level of the in-itself (as ideology) and with reference to effects on the world (empirical falsifiability)...but no.

that said, i doubt seriously that any organization the basis for which is an idea this laughable could possibly do anything in this regard.

11-08-2007, 09:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	host---my experience teaching is particular. i dont really have an idea of what constitutes "the typical"...anything i'd say would be anecdotal. ================================== on the op: i think it a lunatic idea that students should be allowed to wander around a university strapped. it isnt worth serious consideration---its just fucking nuts. aside: i have no problem with retro-organizations amongst students. a conservative political organization--even one predicated on a nutjob idea like enabling students to carry weapons on campus--is unlikely to be more stupid and retrograde than a fraternity or sorority. if i were to start banning things, i'd begin with those. i would even be cheered by conservative political organizations if they provided conservative students with some idea of how to argue their politics to people who assume--to my mind rightly (but that's just me)----that there's no there there either logically or in terms of consequences in the 3-d world behind conservative politics. you see this limitation continually here: conservatives do not and cannot outline or defend the premises for their arguments. it's as if the relation to politics that is presupposed by being-conservative is immediacy, and its some kind of strange rule violation to explain how arguments work. the result is that there is no debate--there is the repetition of mutually exclusive claims ("left"/right) based on axioms/assumptions that are never articulated. you would think that if a political ideology is worth investment that it'd be worth articulating at a remove and amenable to being defended logically--you know, at the level of the in-itself (as ideology) and with reference to effects on the world (empirical falsifiability)...but no. that said, i doubt seriously that any organization the basis for which is an idea this laughable could possibly do anything in this regard. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 11-08-2007 at 09:25 AM..