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Originally posted by Moonduck
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Same goes for jams, rare as heck in quality modern firearms using quality modern ammo.
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No argument there. On the other hand, I worked retail for enough years to know that people RARELY go for quality when money is on the line. People'll buy the cheapest crap they can find as long as it looks kinda close to the good stuff.
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Straw Man arguments. Frankly, a gun is FAR more reliable than most martial art trainign given the spurious way most people are trained. You are taught to respond to set attacks that you know are coming, and the attacks are generally carried out in a totally unrealistic fashion. You then carry out a set of predetermined formulaic response that does not take into account the physiological responses that a real target will experience to the sequence of attacks. On top of this, you perform these maneuvers repetitively with ZERO FORCE behind the attacks, at minimal speed. In all, this type of 'training' is setting the student up with a completely incorrect mental picture of how an assault will occur and how even their own maneuvers will work in a real world conflict.
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Point! You're absolutely correct that most schools teach this kind of drivel. Now, admittedly when I answered the original question I was talking about a REAL martial arts school, not a sport kidrate school. If you learn to fight for real, I'll put my money on the martial artist before I put my money on the terrified civilian with the gun.
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With a gun, I don't have to worry about how much force I am applying. I don't have to worry about the assailant attacking me in some manner that I have been trained to deal with. I draw said weapon and, 90% of the time, the assault ceases.
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And the other 10% you have to shoot the SOB and you wind up in jail.
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I am not saying that firearms are the only answer, simply that you are not pursuing your own line of argument objectively.
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I'm not saying martial arts are the ONLY answer either. I'm saying that given the CHOICE between martial arts and guns, I'd choose martial arts because I can use martial arts in ANY attack. I cannot use a gun in a non-lethal attack without a guaranteed jail sentence.
OK, so let's say that we have a gun that never misfires, never jams - it's the 100% reliable gun (any soldier will tell you there's no such animal). Now take the average gun owner, who's taken the absolute bare minimum training he could get away with to get his permit, and hasn't been to a range since. He's never been in any sort of fighting situation (which, btw you will get in a good dojo), and now he's being mugged. Vast likelihood is that he'll miss with at least the first two shots, and he has a very good chance of emptying his clip without coming close to his target.
Scenario 2: Guy grabs you from behind, wraps his arm around your neck, and sticks a gun/knife in your back. Who's the more likely to get out of that situation, the guy with a gun in his jacket or the guy who knows how to disarm the attacker?
The simple fact of the matter is that while guns certainly have their place and are very effective with dealing with specific situations, proper martial arts training gives a person a much broader range of capabilities than having a gun does.