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Women and their age
I've been trying to figure out for years what the deal with women and their age is - why are there some women who won't admit their real age? And why is it considered as ungentlemanlike manner when a man asks about it?
Do any of you ladies refrain from telling your age when someone asks you? |
I tell if I'm asked or if age is a discussion subject. I prefer the 'guess' approach because it's a great source of ego-boosting and entertainment for me. :lol:
I don't know of anyone who lies about it though. |
I don't like to give my age because I really feel that people have preconceived notions of certain ages/numbers...ideas they wouldn't have if they didn't have a number to assign to me.
I can't tell you how many times I've gotten a really surprised, then knowing look and an, "Ahhh, ok" once I've shared my age. I know I look younger, and that's all well and good (didn't much appreciate it in my 20's, lol, looking like a teen). But I'd much rather folks base their perception of me on how I *am*, rather than on a collection of preconceived notions based on a generalization of statistics. It seems that women have this applied much more strongly to them than men. I think it goes to the percieved attractiveness thing. Similar to asking questions about weight and natural hair color, lol (I can't believe how many men at work have asked me if I color my hair!?! WTF happened to manners?). Another part of this is that as a performer, I get jobs based on my appearance. That's just how it is. Sadly, most prospective employers are way more influenced by how I may look in costume than the 12+ years I've spent studying dance and everything that goes with it. If in their mind a woman being over 30 is a negative, I may not get that job, even if to them and to the general public I don't "look" like that. However, I'm not ashamed of my age, and I have been more likely to tell my age specifically, because I know I appreciate it when I see a lovely woman and know that attractiveness does not end at 29, 39, or 49. I like to imagine that it could go a little tiny way in ending the idea that as a woman you have to be in your very early 20s to be at the peak of your game, whatever your game may be. |
I honestly dont care about my age.. (wow i said tht with a straight face too ) I dont understand why the question gets asked... and why it's relavant in many situations....
OK, so I'm in a pissy mood today, and wasn't in the mood for an little twit on IM.. but it proves my point - first thing he asks is my age... Why was it relavant? I can understand if my doctor asks... but why is it the business of anyone else to know how old I am... Cut me open and count the rings if you wanna know... but just asking the question.... Why does it matter? |
Well, the reason why so many women feel they have to lie about their age is, i think, because society (american society at least) focuses on the 'fact' that "youth= power, intelligence and beauty" and that 'getting older' is somehow something to be avoided. Probably just a ploy to sell all their surgeries, creams and products to avoid that 'pesky' thing called aging... it keeps the beauty market pulling in billions a year doesn't it??
Personally, i think getting older is a good thing, because that means i lived another year and had another year of experiences.... and anyone who feels they have to lie about their age, is in an essence lying about who they are and not embracing themselves. however, if a woman wants to lie about her age... that's her perogative and i'm not going to hold it against her, allot of people cave to society ideals in weight, appearance and career, it's only natural that many people cave to and want to reflect the ideal in age too.... However, i think getting older is a beautiful thing and something to be proud of. Sweetpea |
I think for most it's probably a matter of curiosity and a way to test your perceptions. We all make certain judgements about others upon first meeting them. We tend to determine what sex, age, and often ethnicity a person is as a way of determining how to interact with them. In most cases, age is a pretty general category such as child, young woman, etc.
Knowing age may in some cases cement the perception of a person being in the desired category. Perhaps not providing an age or lying about it helps to project the perception that one is younger than one's actual age, which, as ngdawg points out, can be flattering. I do find it amusing when people try to guess my age, as they very often are very low. I still occasionally get carded when entering a club, though Grace, more than five years younger, never does. Gilda |
I have been guilty of just letting people guess my age, rather than telling them straight out. For a good many years there, it seemed like a private matter. Mainly because I was living in a strange sort of denial. An example of this mentality: at age 19, I dated a man who was 27. We related very well, and the age question didn't come up for some time. When he did find out my age, he was scared away. Also, potential employers tend to offer less pay when they know my age, as opposed to just looking at my qualifications. I find a great deal of age discrimination toward my friends as well. It is as though 40-something adults have some sort of hidden belief that anyone under the age of 32 is an irresponsible imbicile that isn't worth their time or energy.
So there you go. I prefer, under most situations, to keep my age to myself and let people decide for themselves how they will treat me. |
I could care less if people asked how old I am. It's slightly irritating when someone says, "WOW 19!! You're such a youngin'!" and then treats me like a 15 year old from then on, though.
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The only thing that irritates me about age is that people regularly assume (people who do not know me very well) that I am younger than I am (though this bodes well for the future). I practically have a streak of gray hair already at 23; surely anyone can see that.
That said, I'm in no hurry to get older, simply because I want to enjoy every minute I'm alive. I've got enough responsibility, and I don't need more right now. Wisdom would be nice, but one has to work up to it. Once I get older, I certainly won't feel badly for it. No, I think I'll appreciate that too. One has to appreciate every season they go through; otherwise life is a waste of time. |
I usually don't mind when asked. Unless I can tell they are asking because I look to young, then it bugs me. I sometimes am pretty blunt and aske Why, if they can give me a good enough reason I'll tell them or make them guess first because ngdawg is right, it's fun. I'm 25 by the way
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I'm 43 and proud of it! I declare my age with pride when asked and only play the guessing game with my students. The reason I play with them is to help them narrow it down with less then that and more then that answers. I like that I'm old enough to have some "wisdom" and young enough to have a 7 month old child. I feel sexier now then I ever have in my life. Why would I not be proud of who I am? Phweuh on society!
(Off topic -- when I saw your avatar Gilda I wondered if the same artist did it that did Sweetpea's. Then I read your custom title -- very cool!) |
I think women who won't admit their age have issues with aging. My mom tells people her age, she doesn't had it, but she also doesn't dye her hair to cover up greys and she doesn't use "age defying" creams. I think a woman's desire to tell how old she is is dependent on her attitude towards aging.
I think asking someones age is better than assuming. We've all seen 10 years younger I'm sure and the way the participants feel when they're mistaken for being 20 years older than they are. |
I didn't hesitate to tell my age until...........I turned 50. No one believes me anyway since I look years younger but honestly, when I say 50, people act differently towards me (shocked, pleasantly surprised, whatever). I've been called a MILF for years which is a great ego boost too and yes, I dye my hair to color the gray and use moisturisers to keep my skin looking younger. Do I have trouble with aging? Only physically. Honestly, who wouldn't? It's damn easy to say you don't worry about aging when you're in your 20s, 30s and 40s. I'm trying to relax about the whole age thing but it's funny how that attitude creeps up on ya and bites you in the not so firm ass when you least expect it.
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I don't know why it's supposed to be ungentlemanly to ask a woman's age. I don't lie about my age, never have, even when I was younger and wanted to be older. Now I'm 31 (will be 32 in a month) and still I tell the truth. I figure that if the person is enjoying talking to me then they like me. If they stop talking to me simply because of a number than they're not worth my time. My age has nothing to do with my relation to others. It's a similar level of maturity and our common interests that should encourage our relationship. When I was 19 I was engaged to a man who was 29. What caused us to break up had nothing to do with age and everything to do with his lack of relationship skills. He was a control freak and felt a woman should not call the man or initiate any contact herself. I am independant and unafraid of making even the first move. We didn't click but not because of age.
Last year was hard on my physically and I saw rapid changes and aging in my body that have been a stuggle emotionally to deal with. Just last week I noticed frown wrinkles. That bothered me but not the fact that I had wrinkles so much as the fact that they were FROWN lines instead of crows feet or something that you tend to get more with smiling. I don't want to grow old, not because of people's perception of it but because I'm seeing less and less time to do the things I want and to enjoy life. I'm afraid of being crippled and frail before I'm done doing those things. I'm afraid of becoming so fat that I'm like my mother, needing blood pressure meds and in pain just walking. I'm not afraid of being older, I'm afraid of ailments that are more age related. I'm not ready to stop doing. I've got time but I see that time is waning. |
i think to lie about your age is to fear how many years you have lived and perhaps how lttle you have to show for it?
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^^ Thoughtful answers everybody!
Hmm I can understand why some refrain from revealing their age in fear of being treated differently. Do you suppose that is has something to do with vanity too? I don't think I've ever encountered a man who had second thoughts about revealing his age.. Do you think that us women have more problems about the aging part than men? |
In this day and age when in a movie they'll pair Sean Connery and Catherine Zeta Jones (and that movie is at least 5 years old) and no one says "boo", yet if Susan Sarandon is paired with someone like, I don't know, Brad Pitt or Keanu Reeves, the movie is suddenly ALL ABOUT May-December romance....
Look at TV sitcoms (granted, neither TV not movies accurately reflect real life, but still), how many fat, not attractive TV hubbies are there paired with hot, attractive, bodies-to-die-for TV wives? Overall and in general, I don't think women judge men as highly on their appearance/age as men judge women. And age is a huge part of that. |
Not all that long ago, Excellence hair color (A hair color that advertises how good it is for coloring gray) had an had print ad campaign with Andie McDowell in it (I beleive the ad campain still runs). The ad had a close up on Andie's face, and around her eyes were very very visible wrinkles... It honestly amazed me that they weren't retouched - the wrinkles didn't make her look old, or haggard or ugly - -they added just a little bit of character to her face - she's not 25 anymore - why does she need to look like it (she's more beautiful now than she was at 25)
But it seems that's not the norm in advertising... it's all young beautiful women who've never had a wrinkle in their life advertising anti-aging creams... I've lost my train of thought and will start ranting in a moment - so I'll stop... There's definitely a bias between men getting older and women getting older... Distinguished is a word often used to describe an older man... I'm not so sure that there's an equivelent for women... it seems that women are either sexy or they are nothing... and older women aren't always seen as sexy... |
I really enjoyed reading everyone's posts on this topic!
I have always been honest about my age but I admit to letting people guess because they always guess lots younger than I truly am (and yeah, that is a bit of a boost!) The only time being honest about my age has met with somewhat negative reactions is that younger people do tend to treat me differently once they know my true age (I just turned 40 last week but I look mid-20's). Unfortunately, there does seem to be a bias in society against "older" women, which is really silly. I look and feel better now than I did in my 20's; I am more sure of myself than at any other time in my life. To me, though, "age" really is a state of mind; that is far more important than any chronological number of years a person has been on this planet. |
I don't mind being asked my age per se, I just don't like being asked my age when it's obvious that I'm being sized up based on it. If someone is just curious, that's cool with me. It's a bit like someone asking how much you make... ask it the wrong way and I'll get offended, if it's in context (for example, a friend who's looking to find another place to work), it doesn't even occur to me that it might be offensive.
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If someone asks me how old I am, I tell them. I'm 39. Anyone who will judge me based soley on my age, is not someone whos opinion I would concern myself with.
Besides, it's really nice when people say "You're kidding, I thought you were, like, 33 or something". (it happens occasionally) I think I just contradicted myself a bit there on some level. Sorry, I'm old - I get confused easily. :confused: |
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I make people guess how old I am first, hehe. I'm 23, for all those who care :p
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HAHAHA!!! I used to care because I was 15 and I didn't want the older more mature guys to ignore me because I was too young.
I always told the truth though because I've looked 20 since I turned 12. I didn't want to get anyone in trouble, but I didn't want to get ignored. I know it's childish, but I was a child. It's not only an issue for girls though. I know a guy who wouldn't reveal his age at all. My dad is a highschool teacher and he's told his students that he's 53 since he was 26. Only now he'll have to move it back because it's getting close to the truth. :crazy: :lol: |
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I have seen it in movies, read it in books, watched it happen while I sat at work, or a park, or a bus.
A woman would be asked her age & she would refuse to tell. I am only 24, so I don't have a problem telling my age. But I guess if I was older would be able to understand the reason for it. But I don't wanna wait until I am older . . . . . So do you tell your age? Why or why not? I looked for any posts that may be similar & didn't find one, if there is one out there, let me know, thanks. |
I am 26...I guess when I am older telling my age will be a problem, I don't know. But for now, I don't care. I'm 26, I'm 26, I'm 26!!! Yeah, it is a stereotype that women refuse to tell their age, but I have no problem.
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i am 23 years old. i tell my age because right now it doesn't really matter to me if people know or not. a lot of the time people don't believe me when i tell them how old i am.. they all think i'm 16 or 17. maybe when i'm older.. i might lie, but only because i'll hopefully look younger than i am... like by the time i'm 45, i can lie and say i'm 35 :thumbsup:
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I'll be thirty in two months. I chose the last option, only because sometimes it comes up without a direct question. I could care less. I still get carded for lottery tickets and alcohol.
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I'm 32 and it's begun to matter a little more to me. Most of the time though I am willing to tell how old I am. Often the conversation that leads up to it is about something that a younger person would not do or say that makes them question my age.
For example, I was at Hardees last weekend and one of the guys there knew me. Another guy, the one who was a cashier said a phrase and I said to the other guy Iis that a new thing they want you to say now?" The fellow I knew laughed and said, "Yeah they didn't make us say as many stupid stuff when you worked here." The cashier did a double take at me then and almost stared, then he said, "You worked here?? When?" When I answered about 8 years ago he said - "Wooh, So you must be?! Nevermind, whatever it is I wouldn't have guessed it." I said "32" and his response was - "Nope, wouldn't have guessed." His incredulous expression said that I did not look 32 to him so me actually BEING that age did not bother me. It's LOOKING that age that would bother more. |
I'll be 24 in about a week's time.
My age doesn't matter to me, and I doubt that it ever will. And that is why I wear sunscreen :) |
I tell people my age if they ask. Age is only a number, what matters is how old you feel.
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I will be getting older soon... one of those ZERO bdays... yet I still get carded for things as simple as purchasing a rated "R" movie.
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In actual life, if they harass me enough, they learn my age.
usually i just leave it up to them. i look 16. conversation of a 28-30-year-old. if someone has interacted with me for any length of time, they assume I am older. If it's a fresh aquaintance, they're usually confused. |
I get the question a lot, because I'm usually assumed to be in my early 20's, usually in the form of "I didn't think you were old enough for _____________ ." Online, people routinely think I'm older, though I'm not sure why.
However, I've recently become very sensitive about it, probably because I'm about to turn 30. Last year, when I was 28, I didn't worry about it, but now that I'm just a few months short of turning 30, I've decided to keep it a secret. I'm also, like most women, quite sensitive about people knowing that I weigh 115 pounds, so I never talk about my weight either. Gilda |
I always answer truthfully. People usually think I'm in my early 20's and are astounded when I tell them I'm nearly 29. I still get carded. It's just not a big deal to me.
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Usually my answer to this question is 'old'. HAHA But I'm only 22. I feel like I am almost 30 and that probably isn't a good thing. I just have had some huge life experiences such as the death of my mother, who was just 44 and also moving and going to a University. So these have made me feel a little more mature and older.
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i don't see it as people are sensitive, i can't help but see it as people are happy or "okay" with who they are. from reading the posts, its okay to be older as long as you don't look like it. & i don't see or understand what is wrong with looking old. it is just your life showing on your face . . . . but please, contiune the conversation, even if i can't relate to it I may be able to understand it. Gilda, why did you chose to keep your age a sercet? What does it mean to be sensitive in that way? (That last question is not just for Gilda.) |
People always think i'm younger than my age, so if they ask, i make a point to let them know. I've had this come up in professional situations because other therapists will assume i'm still in college/studying and not someone graduated and working in the field.
Maybe when i get older, I won't want to tell my age... we live in a youth obsessed culture. sweetpea |
It might be because i'm only 21, but I have no problem telling people how old I am. People tend to start out with "If you don't mind my asking..." and I never really understood why people wouldn't want to disclose their age in casual conversation.
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I'm a month shy of turning 31 :eek:
A few years back, I never thought it would have bothered me hitting my 30's, but then when it came it was a big reality check for me. Your 20's are such an exciting young time for experiencing life, and although it doesn't end when you hit 30, for me it was a big time to reflect on the decade just passed and see what I hadn't achieved, but said I was going to. Guess I'll just have to make up for lost time in my 30's. Oh & for the record. I think the perfect age is 29! If I could be 29 forever, I'd be very, very content! |
no problem telling my age, not an issue. I don't think it will be when I'm older either. It's just life. I'm 26.
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There was a previous thread on this topic that had a lot of great responses, but I can't find it now. :(
Anyways, I used to be much more sensitive about telling my age (35), but lately I have pushed myself to not care about it so much. I feel the best about myself and my bod right now. And I have many beautiful friends who are my age or older, and it encourages me greatly when they don't hide their age--Yes, you can be a knockout over 30, and over 40. It's funny, a young co-worker (24) asked me my age last week. He said he could tell I wasn't his age, but he couldn't figure it out...he said that older people were usually lame (but that I wasn't, of course, lol. What else was he gonna say?). I think by that he meant settled into homey routines and also dismissive of those younger than them. So I was perfectly willing to tell him, as that can help to destroy another stereotype, eh? He said I looked 30. I told him he looked...23. :P What does bother me though is the push for women to be so young in the media. Like in our own Titty Board forum, I always see tons of threads pushing "Teen!!" and "Sweet Young Gal" and whatnot. Come on. |
I'm turning 40 soon and going on a long holiday (backpacking in Asia with DH and 2 kids) as my consolation prize and everyone knows the story.
What I can't get over is where those years have gone - it seems like only yesterday that I was getting my ID checked in bars! |
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I don't see what the fuss is about when someone asks about your age, so I always tell. (I'm 26) |
I'm starting to get a bit embarrased by my age (28) because I haven't achieved a lot of the things you're supposed to when you're that age. So oddly enough, I have less of a problem giving my age to strangers than to people I know a bit.
It'll probably change once I get my shit together though. :hopeful: |
I'm 23, and last year I was carded when I tried to buy an Eminem CD. I take that as a compliment :D
I really couldn't care less if people know my age. |
Wow, I feel totally old now. heh....
I am 40 and happy to be so. I tell anyone who asks my age and they are usually surprised to hear it. I find I am much more comfortable in my own skin with each passing year. |
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I'm 51. And your choice of font is making me feel it.:lol: I can't SEE it!!
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Don't worry, ngdawg, I couldn't read it either!!! :lol:
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I have no problem with saying my age, I'm 45.
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Yeah. I'll tell if people ask. But sometimes it's fun to let people guess.
It also never occurred to me that it might be rude to ask. Until I did and the girl was like, "I really don't tell." |
I'm 35. It's no big deal to tell people how old I am.
If my age is of so much concern to me that I would lie about it, I'd really need to get a life.... |
Hmmmm... interesting that no one here will admit to being guessed older than they really are. I'll add my voice to the chorus. I've always looked younger than my years--except when I suddenly grew a pair of big breasts at fourteen and could pass for eighteen. Long time ago.
I try not to think about it, but it bothers me that I will turn 30 this November. I think that just to boost my ego, that I will dress young and go out (even though I'm not much of a drinker) and see if I can get carded at a bar. I look young because I'm small, and at 5' 3" will probably always be looked at as a girl more than a woman. Sometimes in a job situation this works against me. I look young, and some people assume that I am fresh out of college. I am careful to dress in a conservative, tasteful, and professional manner, but it is hard to pack much "gravitas" into 105 pounds. My Mom calls it "the curse of cute." Lindy |
lol nope - never been guessed at being older.
I had one person guess me at being 12 or 13 when I was working dishpit at a restaurant during the summer between college years. I've always been much younger looking even when I wanted to be older. |
I have a somewhat paradoxical experience with my age, as when I was a teenager, most people thought I was older than I was, but as an adult most people think I look younger than I am. Pah.....:p
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I'm 28 and I guess I must look younger than I am. I've been out of college for 5 years now, and just the other day, my sister's softball teammates (they are 9 year olds) asked what college I was going to. When I'm in a bad mood, I hate the teasing about being young and when I'm not I think it's funny. I do wish the media wouldn't portray older women in such a negative light.
Just got my first gray hairs this month, and I'm actually kind of proud of them. :hmm: I can't really tell ya why though.... |
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I generally don't tell my age. Close friends and family know it and that's about it. My father used to say, "A lady would never tell her age, and a gentleman would never ask.", so I guess that old adage has stuck with me all these years. :) |
I'm 20, but I look younger. Most people tell me I look about 17 - 18. I like to let people know I'm a young adult, but I'm not a teenager. If I don't tell them how old I am, they ask me what year I am in, or how am I going at school...
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I'm 22, almost 23, and I've got no problem telling people my age. I'd like to think that as I grow older, I'll still have no problem with it. :)
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I have no reason to hide my age. If someone asks, I tell!
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I tell my age if asked. I always said I never had a problem with my age & couldn't imagine that I ever would, giving the ol' "you're as old as you feel" adage. However my boyfriend is 7 & 1/2 years my junior & most of the time I get asked this question now it's when we're together somewhere... I still answer truthfully, but I'm more self-conscious now about why people are asking.
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I've never had a problem telling anyone close to me my age, but it can affect how people treat you on the job. Age bias is a big deal in the work place it seems - more often than us older ladies like to acknowledge.
Whenever someone tries to guess my age, it's kinda interesting to me & a big ego boost each & every time that game get's played! Guess that I've been lucky with good genes and smart health habits. |
I look younger then I really am so ppl get shocked when they hear my answer.
I like to tell ppl my age. I feel old all the time, with all these new fashions that they are bringing back in style that they should of left behinde which I refuse to wear. |
The only time I ever have a issue with age it when I am in a hurry, and I try to buy a pack of smokes from the same gas station and the same guy I buy cigarettes from every other day asks me for my age, I tell him then he doesn’t believe me, and he now needs to see my ID, which is in the car plus I am now very late. I may be 31 and not look 31 but I sure as hell look over the age of 18.
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I'm 22 years old and I really couldn't care less about the whole age thing. I have to agree with Mistress Cathy though; I hate it when I'm in a rush and the same guy who's asked me about 10 million times for my ID asks again and again. I realize it's his job and all but man...
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I do get treated differently when people find out how old I am. Largely, that's because I act a good 10 years young than people suppose I should and I work around college age kids. For some reason, anyone over 30, to them, is nearly dead so to have humour, a sex life or understanding appears to blow them away. When they ask I will tell them, yet I do make them ask first more as a way to get them to shatter their perceptions. They always guess 5-10 years younger. They will guess closer to my age when I mention being around for this or that.
If people didn't treat me differently, I wouldn't be nearly as reticent, at all. Yet, it would go counter to my very private nature. :) |
sure i tell people when they ask my age. i don't mind telling them. sometimes people actually think i look younger than what i am. i mean, they still ask me for my I.D when i go to the casino. that really pisses me off sometimes but hey...life goes on. now, i just try and keep it on me all the time.
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Nancy, do you think you will have issues with this when you reach 40? It's all very well asking this question as a mid twenty-something, but perhaps when you're older it may be different?
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Respectfully, I notice that it's by and large the 20-somethings who "don't have a problem" with telling the age thing--To be really honest, there's not much societal pressure on 20-somethings regarding their age...It's rather like a very fit lady declaring she has no problem telling people her weight or body-fat content, and doesn't see why others would either. I think a big point is "Why would someone be asking for that information?" I think from now on when/if I'm ever asked this question in the future, I'll tell them, along with details of my fantasy medical procedures...:lol: |
Im 32, I look 32, I feel 32 and Im cool with being 32. I'm nothing like I was when I was in my 20's and thank god for that. At 32 Im young still, I cant imagine that Im anywhere near feeling the need to lie about my age, doubt I ever will, Im just beginning approach real adulthood. My partner is hot on MILF and Im talking 40's, 50's, MILF, which gives me a boost for continuing to feel good about gaining another year. I believe from what he's told me alot of other men are too, just not willing to admit it to their mates.;)
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At work this summer my age was a negative in several situations. People would refuse to give me authority because I was younger at the pool where I worked. I was a lifeguard, started when I was 15. Most of the other guards were in college, so I obviously had something to prove with being so young. Three years has taught me how to show when I mean something. I had to call the police several times due to older men coming up in my face screaming at me when I had asked them to leave for lacking the proper information for entrance into the pool. They would try to scare me into letting them in, didn't work. I never did cry when they got up in my face, I held my own, very proud of myself for that. That job has really toughened up my view on situations. Now I have more of a bring it on attitude. It probably helps that my mother is a corportate woman and knows how to show it...although I do wonder if she is bipolar at times, she said she is passive-aggresive which is a commont trait among corp women. Age doesn't mean much, I believe it is how you act with it to show you're true maturity. I wish older people would give a little more credit to "youngins" when they're working, otherwise no problem. Any other similar stories? |
Back in the dark ages...a woman was considered a white haired granny after 50...so none wanted to admit to being in their 40's. That is such a crock now.:cool:
I'm 50, and love it! I consider OLD to be 80. (Go hang out at a nursing home sometime....;) :D ) Times, health, and lifestyles have changed since the days when it really was "ungentlemanly" to ask a woman her age. The only time I was sensitive to being asked my age was the 18 to 28 years....when I really wanted to appear/be older and wiser. Back in the 1940's, a starlet was considered washed up after about 35...so they really did lie about their ages, and women copied the movie stars back then. My favorite fashion/beauty magazine is "MORE" which is for women 40 and over. Very beautiful, glamorous, and real women......:thumbsup: |
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