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Artsemis 10-13-2005 01:28 AM

[Calculus] It didn't take me long to forget how to Integrate..
 
It's been about a year since I had Calc. II and I simply cannot integrate this:

((2xe)^-x)^2

Parenthesis added for ease of reading, that's 2xe being raised to the x which is raised to the 2 power.
I was thinking substitution but its still just been too long, and I never got the 'by parts' thing down ;)

Thanks :)

rsl12 10-13-2005 02:08 AM

you may find the problem easier if you rearrange a little:

(2xe)^-2x dx (I assume there's a dx somewhere in there...)

Artsemis 10-13-2005 02:14 AM

Yeah sorry.

That looks much easier but I dont see how you can do that... You're saying that the power -x^2 is the same as the power -2x?

aKula 10-13-2005 03:45 AM

No it's not, but the notation: ((2xe)^-x)^2 simplyfies to (2xe)^(-2x) not (2xe)^(-x^2)
i.e. (x^n)^m = x^(nm) != x^(n^m)

I'm not sure but someone once told me that you cannot integrate x^x. Are you sure that the question is possible?
(The derivative of x^x I can do though :)).

albania 10-13-2005 06:24 AM

you can't X^x can only be done numerically, anyway, are you sure you did the () right. because if that there was no X^x term then it might be possible any way i'm looking at it right now and i don't see a clear way to do it. Search for "mathematica and integrating online" there should be a website which intergrates for you, this way you can at least know if there is a solution.

Lebell 10-13-2005 06:38 AM

Christ,

I got straight A's in all my math through diffQ and I don't have a friggin clue.

Course, that was a few years ago...

blizzak 10-13-2005 08:09 AM

hmm, this site(http://integrals.wolfram.com/) says:
x^2/8xe^2
I haven't got the cares to check it right now, and I can't find a formula that explains it in my differentials notes, but check it out

Jinn 10-13-2005 09:44 AM

It's been three years since I did Calculus, and even longer since I did Algebra -- but I think Integration by Parts DOES solve it. (It's different than Wolfram's Solution, however..)

http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/3263/right0il.jpg

rsl12 10-13-2005 10:18 AM

That would work if it's 2xe^(-2x), but it looks like it's (2xe)^(-2x).

ps. dunno how blizzak got his answer--i tried that site and came up with no answer. (looks like a neat site though!) I also wonder if this is possible without numerical methods.

stingc 10-13-2005 04:46 PM

There's no analytic integral for (2xe)^(-2x). If this is a class, I think the original poster used parentheses incorrectly. 2x e^(-2x) is much more reasonable.

Jinn 10-14-2005 07:41 AM

You can't seperate an exponential from its exponent with parentheses..

Quote:

That would work if it's 2xe^(-2x), but it looks like it's (2xe)^(-2x).
What exactly are you E'ing?

rsl12 10-14-2005 08:37 AM

hmmm jinnkai we must follow different schools of notation. looks OK to me. ever hear the expression 'please excuse my dear aunt sally?'

phukraut 10-14-2005 03:13 PM

I think we all just ought to wait until the question is restated in a different way by the original poster. Clear it up for us...

Artsemis 10-15-2005 08:33 PM

Ack, REALLY sorry! It was my fault the parenthesis are used incorrectly. I should have just left them off completely.

2xe^-x^2


Again, my apologies :(

Artsemis 10-15-2005 08:40 PM

Using substitution I have the integral of:
e^-u du

If I remember correctly, is that just e^-u = e^-x^2?

phukraut 10-15-2005 10:10 PM

Letting u=x^2 gives du=2x dx, and hence the integrand is now e^(-u) which integrates to -e^(-u) + C. Note the minus sign in front of exp.

Artsemis 10-15-2005 10:23 PM

gotcha! thanks :)


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