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morlock 08-18-2003 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
Some might call me naive and perhaps stupid but I believe in my government and I believe what they say - knowing full well that at times they do not tell me everything - for which I am greatful and at times, it may err on its facts. I do not believe that the government intentionally attempts to deceive the people of the United States.

I think your alone in that, that you actually believe in our U.S. government, they screw us over so bad, do one thing and tell us another, and thats just the stuff that they couldn't properly cover up in the first place. Everything else none of us actually know about. And they DO intentionally decieve us. So with that said, I will say one thing. You're naive.

Sun Tzu 08-18-2003 10:10 PM

I just wanted to hear some ideas:

The international space station doesnt seem like a good place for stellar warfare, or even training for the new mary of fighter-astronauts trained for taking out enemy satellites or fellow floating enemies. The obvious because its international.

http://enterprise.spawar.navy.mil/index.cfm

www.space.com/news/china_dod_030801.html


www.jntf.osd.mil/programs/tenants/swc.asp

www.commondreams.org/views01/0127-04.htm



THe space station is for science. In my view and from what Ive heard they're repeating allot of what they did with SKYLAB. So would an international lunar base be better? WHy did exploration and research just abruptly stop?

Nitro 08-19-2003 01:23 AM

A moon base wasn't built because it is already hard enough to build a space station.
Why should you go to Alaska to do some experiments when you can do them somewhere near home?
Furthermore most experiments require not only low gravity but very low gravity to work. What most people tend to forget is that the moon does have a gravity field even if the accelaration is only one sixth that of earth.
The russians had a very neat moon programme but dicontinued manned "deep":D space exploration in favour of building space stations in orbit.
If the US hadn't really landed on the moon the russians would have known and would never have stopped their own programme.

Nitro 08-19-2003 02:36 AM

A moon base wasn't built because it is already hard enough to build a space station.
Why should you go to Alaska to do some experiments when you can do them somewhere near home?
Furthermore most experiments require not only low gravity but very low gravity to work. What most people tend to forget is that the moon does have a gravity field even if the accelaration is only one sixth that of earth.
The russians had a very neat moon programme but dicontinued manned "deep":D space exploration in favour of building space stations in orbit.
If the US hadn't really landed on the moon the russians would have know

Sun Tzu 08-19-2003 01:21 PM

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Sun Tzu 08-19-2003 01:24 PM

oops. . .sorry wrong button

Midlandmadman 08-20-2003 11:16 AM

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...... I wanna change my vote........ I said probably but maybe no....... I only say that cause I myself can't prove they did. I believe they did, though.

Mel 08-20-2003 08:56 PM

Im not sure if it happened or not, but if it didn't they are pretty good liers and I think that we should just leave it alone... it's like a fairy tale story for that generation when they heard it on the radio, we don't need to take it away from them :).

krd913 08-24-2003 03:41 PM

It is true why go to all the hipe and work not to go there? But some people think we didn't go to the moon and elvis is still alive.

LaZy 08-26-2003 08:17 AM

umm is this a trick question? :) yea, i think we went to the moon.

i thought this link was pretty good too.
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches...os_010427.html

wouldn't you want to go to a place made of cheese?

Y.A.T.S. 11-03-2005 09:24 AM

I don't think man was on the moon... but what the hell do I know?... I don't even belive in god... [cough]... excuse me, God

5757 11-03-2005 09:49 AM

I need the MAYBE option with wierd space music playing in the backround... :lol: ...........................dUn DUn dUn..........m a y b e . .
haha.

hossified 11-03-2005 10:15 AM

3 things that make me think we didn't land there:
-the radiation zone you'd have to fly through between the earth and the moon would have definitely caused terminal illness' to the astronauts, yet none have developed
-why hasn't anyone been back?? Doesn't fit human nature to dicover something and than touch the surface of exploration and than just quit
-that lunar module looks like something my little brother would build! It has gold foil on it!!! Our modern shuttle has 'troubles' entering earth atmosphere due to heat /friction.....you think that little tin can of a module could handle that ok?? The thing had the aerodynamics of a barn door, which would make flying it off the moon surface near impossible....and than being able to handle re-entry into earth.....I find that very unlikely....

...if there is speculation why doesn't nasa aim the hubble telescope at the moon and show us proof to deny these false claims??? That thing could zoom right in and show the flag!

...with the times as they were, AMerican film was really in developing stages and with the cold war, the US pulled some pretty crazy stuff.....I think this was a way of showing superiority to the world.....

tecoyah 11-03-2005 01:09 PM

The simple fact is....you can actually see the lander base thru a high powered telescope....and Scientists have done so.....Kinda hard to fake.

In anticipation of silly rebuttals....I am now looking for the Pics

Willravel 11-03-2005 01:48 PM

I'm certian the moon landing was real.

aKula 11-03-2005 07:14 PM

Actually tecoyah they recently took some pictures of the moon using the hubble telescope and the resolution was not good enough to see the lander. Having said that I do not think the moon landings were fake.

Cynthetiq 11-03-2005 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aKula
Actually tecoyah they recently took some pictures of the moon using the hubble telescope and the resolution was not good enough to see the lander. Having said that I do not think the moon landing were fake.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/...bble_moon.html

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/1..._image3_lg.jpg

jwoody 11-04-2005 03:02 AM

I believe that the moon landing actually happened, on the moon.

I also believe that some photos of the event were staged in a studio, here on Planet Earth.

Neither of these views contradict the other.

Suppose you'd spent all this money and risked human life in the process, the people you're trying to impress want more than some crappy black & white, out of focus video of the event.

cyrnel 11-04-2005 04:20 AM

Cyn, I don't believe Hubble did more than the rex pics. The pic with the buggy was from '72. Hubble can't resolve with sub-20ft detail from Earth Orbit, can it?

Hey, here's a great answer from slashdot.
Quote:

The highest resolution Hubble is capable of is 0.0072 arc-seconds.

An arc-second is defined such that a 1 meter object will appear as 1 arc-second at a distance of 206,256 meters.

The distance from Hubble (~600km orbit) to the moon (~384,400km) is ... well, about 383,800 km

So if Hubble produced an image with 1 pixel-per-arcsecond resolution, a pixel would be 1.86 kilometers. But the highest resolution is 0.0072 arc-seconds, or about 140 times better than that.

So the smallest object Hubble can see on the moon is 13 meters wide.

Neither the lander module or the rover are that big. Not even close. Good luck finding something that's less than a pixel wide!
=Smidge=
Anyway there's supposed to be an EU satellite going into moon orbit next year. Part of their plan is to check out old landing zones. We should hear the end of this stuff soon.

Now, just imagine the swarming theories should the EU sat suffer any failure. :)

aKula 11-04-2005 04:37 AM

Cyrnel those EU governments are all left wing nuts, if you can't trust the God fearing government of the USA you can't trust those communists either ;)
And if it does fail, then the USA (or some higher secretive power) sabotaged it.
So either way the conspiracy theories can continue.
/sarcasm

tecoyah 11-04-2005 04:38 AM

Yup...I was wrong...I think it was the lazer reflectors they left I was reading about....oh well.

florida0214 11-04-2005 06:08 AM

I voted NO! I just don't believe it. I would like confirmation from the Russians. The Japenese space craft will hopefully revel what really happened and if we actually landed ont he moon. There will always be skeptics and I simply don't believe we went there. If I can see stars from the earth why can't I see them from the Moon? that gets me every time. Maybe I am a stupid little boy but when you can take me to the moon or take my camera with 35mm Filma nd bring it back to me and let me develop them. Until then I may never beliee we landed on the moon.

Furry 11-06-2005 10:05 AM

There's some horrific science floating around.

Of course humans have walked on the moon.


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