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Tempboy 05-22-2004 11:33 PM

NHL Finals: Tampa vs Calgary
 
Predictions, thoughts?


My mind says Tampa, but my heart says Calgary.
Go Flames!

Spartak 05-23-2004 12:24 AM

Go Khabby and company.

I want to see Andreychuk get his name on the cup!

WarWagon 05-23-2004 12:47 AM

Lets go TB. Not a huge fan of either team, but I'll give the nod to the team that took down Philadelphia.

paddyjoe 05-23-2004 05:47 AM

What a great series this is gonna be.

My heart's with Tampa Bay only because of their coach. 'Torts' was the last coach to bring the Calder Cup to the Rochester Americans during the '95-96' season.


Quote:

Originally posted by WarWagon
I'll give the nod to the team that took down Philadelphia.
He just added another gold star to his resume with this one too.:thumbsup:

maximusveritas 05-23-2004 06:03 AM

My mind and heart are with Calgary here:
Flames in 6
It'll be a great series.

grumpyolddude 05-23-2004 06:27 AM

This is the match up I was hoping to see (once the Wings were taken out). This series will be a lot of fun to watch... I hope it goes 7 games. Home ice is not safe and Calgary has a great chance. Can TB's young guns hold up to the pressure? Can either (or both) goalies keep on playing out of their minds? No predictions or emotion investment here, I just want to watch a great series!

silent_jay 05-23-2004 06:28 AM

Flames in 6

Grumman 05-23-2004 06:44 AM

I bet the tv guys are pissed
head says bolts....but I will root for the flames

CandleInTheDark 05-23-2004 07:32 AM

Heads have been constantly wrong about the Flames throughout the playoffs. Flames in 6.

sherpahigh 05-23-2004 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by maximusveritas
My mind and heart are with Calgary here:
Flames in 6
It'll be a great series.


Yup, can't wait.

Tempboy 05-23-2004 07:54 AM

I have a feeling it's going to be a showdown between Kipper and 'Bulin. Whoever blinks first...

HeAtHeN 05-23-2004 09:00 AM

Yeah Baby!! GO FLAMES GO.

Flames in 7

Averett 05-23-2004 09:06 AM

Flames in 6.

grumpyolddude 05-23-2004 09:42 AM

Should someone report all of these flame posts to a moderator?:hmm:

00111000 05-23-2004 09:51 AM

My money is on the Flames, although now knowing the scoring power of the bolts I am a bit scared...Kipper is gonna have to step it up this round.

It's gonna be an exciting finals, both teams play a fast wide open hockey, something that hasnt been done in the finals in a while now.

matteo101 05-23-2004 11:58 AM

This is awesome. Five years ago could anyone have predicted this? It's awesome for the game IMO. Whoever wins is deserving, and literally I could care less who wins, because I would like to see both teams win. Am I cheering for anyone? Nah, ile let the players decide this one.
In all honestly tho, I knew the flames would be in the cup the second they beat my Canucks. Both Detroit or SanJose couldn't take the series' to seven. And did they have there starting goaly, and star forward?

Tempboy 05-23-2004 03:03 PM

Haha.. I agree.. who even could have figured at the start of THIS year that Calgary would make it this far.. 7 years removed from the playoffs, Turek injured, McLennan as starter..

And the Bolts.. damn!! Think of how bad they were a few years ago. Haha.. hopefully it signals a changing of the guard.. I'm tired of seeing Dallas, Colorado, Detroit, and New Jersey in the finals.

rockzilla 05-23-2004 10:43 PM

I think picking against Calgary would lead to me being deported.
They've looked great throughout the playoffs, and have taken out three of the best teams in the West. Tampa had it pretty easy until they met Philly.
After Vancouver, Detroit, and San Jose... Tampa doesn't seem that tough.

canuckguy 05-24-2004 03:59 AM

I want the flames to win but my head says that tampa's speed will overwhelm calgary's d-men. so tampa in 4 straight.

CaptainGumby 05-24-2004 04:56 AM

Lightning in 6. Should be a great series....both teams can light the lamp & have a great forechecking defense.

Hopefully the labor situation gets worked out & this wont be the last Stanley Cup finals we see for awhile.

Fly 05-24-2004 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rockzilla

After Vancouver, Detroit, and San Jose... Tampa doesn't seem that tough.


so true..............gotta cheer for the canadian team.

....even though it pains me deeply,cuz they knocked out my canucks.

gonna be one hell of a series.

jayman2004 05-24-2004 09:44 AM

Definately Calgary in 6!!!

paddyjoe 05-24-2004 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rockzilla
After Vancouver, Detroit, and San Jose... Tampa doesn't seem that tough.
Hmmm, famous last words!

frolichoek 05-24-2004 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by matteo101
This is awesome. Five years ago could anyone have predicted this? It's awesome for the game IMO.

I personally don't think anything could be worse for the game. This will most likely be one of the lowest rated Finals in NHL history. Two of the smallest markets in the league that can't get more than 7 of its games televised next season? It is a good thing the NHL signed the TV deal before this matchup was decided, because it might have been worse once the TV ratings come out.

maximusveritas 05-24-2004 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frolichoek
I personally don't think anything could be worse for the game.
No. Nothing could be worse for the league maybe. But as far as the game of hockey and the fans of hockey, this is about as good as it gets.

Serpent 05-24-2004 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frolichoek
I personally don't think anything could be worse for the game. This will most likely be one of the lowest rated Finals in NHL history. Two of the smallest markets in the league that can't get more than 7 of its games televised next season? It is a good thing the NHL signed the TV deal before this matchup was decided, because it might have been worse once the TV ratings come out.
Tampa had the majority of its games televised this year on SUN, i would assume even more next year.

DDDDave 05-24-2004 05:24 PM

Lightning in either 5 or 7.

Will absolutely be an awesome series.

Tremendous, compelling stories from both sides of the ice.

Coaches; St.Louis; Iginla; USA; Canada; goaltenders; veterans; rookies; etc.



Not to continue the prior thread hijack but IMHO this may actually help the league. If the 17th and 21st highest payrolls make it to the finals, what does it say about higher player salaries in general? They are not good for the game. Higher priced players don't neccesarily make better teams. I think this gives the owners tremendous leverage in the upcoming CBA talks. What if all the high priced players say we won't play. Owners say OK. 'We'll play with the rest of the guys'. There are too many guys making 750K to 1M that will say 'I'll play for 1M'. 'I don't have to make 7M'. The 'union' (which really isn't) will cave, and we'll all get to watch hockey year. See, all wrapped up in a bow, courtesy of Tampa and Calgary.


frolichoek - by your logic the Rangers/Islanders/Devils should play the Kings every year and that would be good for the game.


IMO, I think lot's of people from around the league will be watching the games. (esp. GM's and owners watching these two teams sell out 20,000 seat arenas at $200./per.) And even your non-hockey fan can get interested by these two particular teams styles of play. (Fast, up-tempo)

matteo101 05-24-2004 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frolichoek
I personally don't think anything could be worse for the game.
What in gods name are you talking about? :confused:

It's called opening up the ratings. Instead of closing them off. Did I watch last year, no. Am i going to watch this year hell yea, and the same is true for many many people. Do you think it is fun watching the same teams win year after year?

paddyjoe 05-25-2004 03:29 AM

Hey DDDDave, you got tickets?

silent_jay 05-25-2004 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by frolichoek
I personally don't think anything could be worse for the game. This will most likely be one of the lowest rated Finals in NHL history. Two of the smallest markets in the league that can't get more than 7 of its games televised next season? It is a good thing the NHL signed the TV deal before this matchup was decided, because it might have been worse once the TV ratings come out.
You do know that the Sunshine Network televises Tampa games don't you? The rating on this final will be fine, people love underdogs which is what you have here, even though Tampa finished high in the standings, they were still considered longshots to make it this far. Would a Detroit-Colorado final have been better in your opinion? I'm pretty sure everyone is getting sick of seeing the same 2 teams year after year

I am the same as matteo101 I didn't watch last year because well it was boring and uninteresting, this year hell yeah I'll be watching every game.

Averett 05-25-2004 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by matteo101
What in gods name are you talking about? :confused:

It's called opening up the ratings. Instead of closing them off. Did I watch last year, no. Am i going to watch this year hell yea, and the same is true for many many people. Do you think it is fun watching the same teams win year after year?

Exactly. I like hockey, I'm by no means a rabid fan of any team. But Calgary has me hooked. I'll be watching these games for sure. I couldn't even tell you who won the Cup last year.

silent_jay 05-25-2004 06:27 AM

I think Jersey won last year, but don't quote me on that., but yeah I didn't watch any last year except, I think the final game, or the final period.

Tempboy 05-25-2004 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DDDDave



Not to continue the prior thread hijack but IMHO this may actually help the league. If the 17th and 21st highest payrolls make it to the finals, what does it say about higher player salaries in general? They are not good for the game.

I have a feeling it's the opposite.. it sends the message that the poorer teams aren't disadvantaged because of high salaries.



Having said that... 3-0 after 2!!
GO FLAMES GOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

KWSN 05-25-2004 06:31 PM

HOLY SHIT! All 3 goals by the Flames were INCREDIBLE. ESPECIALLY that one by Iginla, GOD DAMN.

If this is any implication, the Lightning have one hell of a struggle ahead of them.

Serpent 05-25-2004 06:49 PM

I don't think the goals were incredible, i think khabibulin was sleeping on goals 2 and 3.

Ace_O_Spades 05-25-2004 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serpent
I don't think the goals were incredible, i think khabibulin was sleeping on goals 2 and 3.
ditto, but that first goal... woo

Averett 05-25-2004 06:57 PM

Awesome game.

losthellhound 05-25-2004 07:00 PM

Amazing.. Loved it.. cant wait to see them do it again , and again, and again

maximusveritas 05-25-2004 07:01 PM

3 more to go.
GO FLAMES GO!!!

matteo101 05-25-2004 07:09 PM

Way to go flames. You did it:D 3 more!!!

Tempboy 05-25-2004 07:11 PM

WHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

diddagirl 05-25-2004 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serpent
I don't think the goals were incredible, i think khabibulin was sleeping on goals 2 and 3.
I hardly think so. They were great goals, scored by a fantastic team. I understand its a tough loss for TB fans tho..... they got their ass kicked.

sherpahigh 05-26-2004 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serpent
I don't think the goals were incredible, i think khabibulin was sleeping on goals 2 and 3.
Quote:

Originally posted by Ace_O_Spades
ditto, but that first goal... woo

Are you guys kidding me? Goals 2 and 3 were fantastic goals!! Iggy's shorthanded breakaway was nothing short of a spectacular effort. After being denied on the initial attempt by 'bulin, Iggy put in a great second effort for and got a great goal.

And Yelle's 3rd marker was the epitome of patience. Fantastic work to knock the defencman off the puck gather it up, get out in front and instead of just shoving it into 'bulin's pads he had a look and found some space up high on the short side.

And the first one goal? Even I'll admit that that wasn't pretty, they were pluggin away and got lucky when 'bulin's skate knocked it in. I mean I'll take that type of goal all the way to the cup, but goals 2 and 3... well they were damn pretty. :thumbsup:

Great game, can't wait for thursday!! Go Flames Go!!!

DDDDave 05-26-2004 06:22 AM

Hey, this is the finals. They are both great teams.

That being said, the Bolts did not get their asses kicked. They got beat by a good team who took advantage of their opportunities. I have said it before, Calgary knows how to finish. Iginla is a handfull. The Bolts seemed flat for most of the game. Game 7 hangover? Maybe. No excuse though. You guys know I go to all the games and I swear it was like watching our team in different uniforms. They are fast, counterattack well, have a good penalty killing strategy, fast, good goaltender, and did I mention they are fast :) After coming off the series against Philly which was all about size and muscle, Calgary is a change of pace. We knew that though. We just didn't get it done.

The wins are never as dominating as they seem, and the losses are never as bad as they appear either.

This is going to be a great series ! Lot's of good hockey yet to be played.

sherpahigh 05-26-2004 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DDDDave
Hey, this is the finals. They are both great teams.

The wins are never as dominating as they seem, and the losses are never as bad as they appear either.

This is going to be a great series ! Lot's of good hockey yet to be played.

I'll agree with all of that. These are two great teams and I know Calgary hasn't seen the Bolt's full power yet. That said, Calgary's got more where that came from. There is going to be some great hockey coming up. Can't wait.

frolichoek 05-26-2004 09:44 AM

Let me clarify my previous statement. Fans of hockey (as I am) would be hard pressed to find a better matchup than Flames/Lightning. Exciting hockey, open ice, no trap, etc. But you and I aren't the people that the NHL needs to appeal to. No, I don't want to see the same teams in the Finals every year. But in this particular year, with the CBA fallout, the crappy national TV deal, and continuing indifference to the game, this particular matchup will generate very little interest outside of the home markets. Please remember, the hardcore hockey fan is NOT who the league needs to market to. The NHL needs to market itself to the people who would only watch a Red Wings/Devils final. NHL marketing is practically nil right now, and it isn't going to get any better after the ratings come out for these finals.

Oh yeah, Go Flames. :)

Serpent 05-26-2004 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sherpahigh
Are you guys kidding me? Goals 2 and 3 were fantastic goals!! Iggy's shorthanded breakaway was nothing short of a spectacular effort. After being denied on the initial attempt by 'bulin, Iggy put in a great second effort for and got a great goal.

And Yelle's 3rd marker was the epitome of patience. Fantastic work to knock the defencman off the puck gather it up, get out in front and instead of just shoving it into 'bulin's pads he had a look and found some space up high on the short side.

And the first one goal? Even I'll admit that that wasn't pretty, they were pluggin away and got lucky when 'bulin's skate knocked it in. I mean I'll take that type of goal all the way to the cup, but goals 2 and 3... well they were damn pretty. :thumbsup:

Great game, can't wait for thursday!! Go Flames Go!!!


Actually khabibulin would of made the save on the third goal if he was on his game.. couldn't believe that he didn't and the second goal went in because khabibiulin thought the puck went behind him, he doesn't fall backwards and out of step much, which led to the open side of the goal for iginla...

sherpahigh 05-26-2004 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serpent
Actually khabibulin would of made the save on the third goal if he was on his game.. couldn't believe that he didn't and the second goal went in because khabibiulin thought the puck went behind him, he doesn't fall backwards and out of step much, which led to the open side of the goal for iginla...
You're right, Iggy's huge second effort to put in the rebound and Yelle's patience looking around for a hole to put it had nothing to do with it. Must all come down to the fact that khabibulin was having an off day. :rolleyes:

Still no respect for the Flames. I suppose if they win the cup it'll be because the Bolts had some "off" games and not because they actually deserve it.

I can see what your're getting at on the 2nd goal, but I'd put more blame on the defenceman for leaving Iginla with the chance for the second effort rather than Bulin who had just made a great save and didn't see where the puck went on the rebound because he was falling backwards from Iggys breakaway. And I still give all the credit for the goal to Igina for the great second effort, not because he got lucky.

Yells goal though, I totally disagree. That was just a really nice goal, and the reason why is because 'Bulin was fooled into thinking he was just going to try and stuff it in down low on the wrap around like you see all the time. He wasn't expecting a non-goal scorer like Yelle to have such paitence out in front of the net. Beautiful goal.

Go_AVS 05-26-2004 12:50 PM

The CUP just doesn't deserve to be in Florida so send it back to Canada.

Go FLAMES...

I will feel sorry for Dave A. though, at least he reached the finals.

DDDDave 05-26-2004 01:30 PM

sherpahigh, good analysis from where you sit. I can hear myself saying the same things when Marty and Lecavalier pull off nice plays.
But I have to call you on 'patience'. Calgary made a good play by double teaming Boyle behind the net, but where was his help? Then he takes the puck and literally walks it up the side of the net. Looks in at Khabi, takes his time and actually pulls the puck back to make a perfect roofer just under the bar. Where was everybody else on the team? It wasn't a 5 on 4. How does a guy get that open and just stand there without somebody either hitting him or poking the puck away? The replay shows Kubina just standing in the crease looking at him. AAARRRGGHH. This is what I meant by taking advantage of their opportunities. They are fininshers. If you leave them open like that they will not miss.
Khabi wasn't fooled. That is the shot you have to cover. You can't cover both. The Iginla goal was also a misplay by Kubina but it was an outstanding effort by Iginla to take advantage of the opportunity and finish hard. I give Calgary plenty of respect. They have come together at the right time and are playing outstanding hockey.

We'll be back. We haven't lost two in a row since March. I don't know if they mentioned it on TV but when Sutter came out and opened the game by trapping, it confused the Lightning. It wasn't a Devils trap but more of an Islanders trap, but it was so obvious live that there was tremendous congestion in the neutral zone. Once agan, credit to the Flames (Sutter). All they talked up was push, push, push and then they came out and trapped. It didn't really work but it threw the Lightning off and helped the Flames keep control.

All professional sports are a game of adjustments . The Lightning will make some and the Flames will do something different. That's why they play seven games.

Getting ready for tomorrow.

metalgeek 05-26-2004 09:41 PM

For the person who said this was bad for tv, game 1 is the second highest rating for an NHL playoff game ever in Canada, with 3 odd million viewers, (second two Vancouvers last game of the 94 plays at 4.5 million)
however only around 1 million viewers in the states. (which seems low for some reason)

Tempboy 05-27-2004 12:52 AM

I guess the US viewer numbers would be bigger if one of the bigger markets got into the finals.. but who cares.
:D

Serpent 05-27-2004 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by metalgeek
For the person who said this was bad for tv, game 1 is the second highest rating for an NHL playoff game ever in Canada, with 3 odd million viewers, (second two Vancouvers last game of the 94 plays at 4.5 million)
however only around 1 million viewers in the states. (which seems low for some reason)

Reason why its low in the states is because it was on ESPN.. not everyone has cable here, and i'd imagine it was on prime time network tv in canada.

sherpahigh 05-27-2004 06:37 AM

DDDave,
I definitly hear what you're saying, or see it as the case may be. Different perspectives from different sides of the fence.

Either way it's shaping up to be a great final. Can't wait for the game tonight. I think the Bolts are gonna come out strong but I think the Flames will match it and could end up taking two on enemy ice. Go Flames Go!!!

Tempboy 05-27-2004 02:40 PM

The FAN960's website is finally up... now we can listen to some good ol' Calgary radio (for those not in Calgary....like me!).. I hate it when the NHL.com feed dies during the post-game discussion.

http://www.fan960.com

Tirian 05-27-2004 07:44 PM

hmm game 2 over

I'm not saying it caused the outcome of the game, but that was the worst officiating I've seen since the Dallas and Buffalo game 6...forever known to me as the year that no-one won the cup.

00111000 05-27-2004 07:47 PM

I didnt get to see much of the game, only the last 10 mins or so :(. Gotta wait for the late night replay. Some nice yellin at the end!

DDDDave 05-27-2004 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by diddagirl
I hardly think so. They were great goals, scored by a fantastic team. I understand its a tough loss for TB fans tho..... they got their ass kicked.
They were great goals, scored by a fantastic team. I understand it is a tough loss for the Calgary fans tho..... they got their ass kicked :) :)


Great game. Same score as game 1, but totally different. The Lightning played their game. Attack, forecheck, good penalty killing, suffocating goaltending. NO BS neutral zone trapping tonight. Agree with the earlier poster about the officiating, par for the course in the playoffs though. They call it tight early, ticky-tacky in fact, and let them play at the end. When Calagary sent in the goons, it was good to see the Lightning put them in their place. It was the same in the Philly series.

Hey, I get to see at least a game 5.

GOOOOO BOLTS !!!

imp 05-27-2004 08:50 PM

Go red team!!

Ace_O_Spades 05-27-2004 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DDDDave
They were great goals, scored by a fantastic team. I understand it is a tough loss for the Calgary fans tho..... they got their ass kicked :) :)
that is some SERIOUS sass... mr sassypants ;)

but yeah, I wish i had cable so I could watch more of this series... It's shaping up to be quite a great one.

Tempboy 05-27-2004 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DDDDave


When Calagary sent in the goons, it was good to see the Lightning put them in their place.


1. Like when Ference spanked Stillman and sent him running off? :rolleyes:

2. I make an effort to spell 'Tampa Bay' correctly. I know it wasn't intentional, but it's not 'Calagary', it's 'Calgary'.

Having said that, Calgary didn't deserve to win this game.. Conroy and Nilson were both 26% in the faceoff circle today.. our PP is still inept.

But the reffing is still horrible. Three 5-on-3 advantages? Umm.. yeah, great.

Ace_O_Spades 05-27-2004 11:58 PM

maybe its the start of a new trend Tempboy... actually calling penalties when they happen regardless of the shitty situation it will put the team in...

NAW... that would be way too fair, and would actually penalize a team for their mistakes instead of letting them slide due to the "disadvantage" it would create...

damn hockey pisses me off sometimes

Tempboy 05-28-2004 12:29 AM

I'm not just talking about those calls..
They lost control of the game.. mystery calls on BOTH sides.. calling so many penalties it disrupts the flow of the game..

And if they DO decide to be anal and call every little thing.. at least have some consistency. There is absolutely no consistent reffing from game to game.

metalgeek 05-28-2004 01:48 AM

Ughh,m not saying Calgary deserved to win, but yeah, Reffing was horrible.
generally rule of thumb in playoffs is let emm play, unless something is obvious, or prevents possible goals, let emm play. to much disruption of the game is not good. a properly reffed game will usually have 3-5 penalties for each team, not 7-9

maximusveritas 05-28-2004 07:11 AM

oh well, the lightning did what they had to do to stay in the series. the flames are happy going home with a split.
this has been and will continue to be a great series.

Tirian 05-28-2004 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tempboy
I'm not just talking about those calls..
They lost control of the game.. mystery calls on BOTH sides.. calling so many penalties it disrupts the flow of the game..

That's what I was talkin' about.

DDDDave 05-28-2004 07:28 AM

The refereeing is not consistent from game to game because there are two different sets of refs. Games 1,3,5 and games 2,4,6. Game 7 refs are chosen by the 'best' refs from prior games. WTF?

Yeah, Stillman took his beating, he's one of our smaller players but it's hard to blame him the way he got cross-checked (flattened) in the slot. But Roy punished his guy too. I know fighting is a part of hockey, but I still don't get it. If anything it may have created some bad blood which will make for some even better games.

Along those lines I am attaching a cute article from the local fish wrap....



They're not like Philly fans

TAMPA -- Welcome to the Stanley Cup Finals, one of the fiercest competitions in all of sports. By the way, would you care for some sugar on your pancakes?

The Tampa Bay Lightning played the Calgary Flames in Game 2 Thursday night before a sellout crowd at the St. Pete Times Forum, and while the atmosphere was ridiculously electric, one thing was noticeably missing: Hatred.

How can anyone hate Calgary? The hockey being played is wildly entertaining, but this series is simply too cute and cuddly. It's turned into a handshake instead of a hip check. It's the Boys of Winter playing in the Summer of Love.

On Wednesday, as a gesture of friendship and goodwill, the Calgary Chamber of Commerce even hosted a pancake breakfast for representatives of the Tampa Bay area, including Tampa's mayor.

Perfect: a championship series covered in syrup and melted butter.

This bake sale is so different from the Eastern Conference Finals against the Philadelphia Flyers. Tampa Bay has an intense rivalry growing with Philadelphia, and fans in both cities have fed off the venom.

Unlike with Calgary, there's a history with Philadelphia. The Bucs beat the Eagles two years ago to reach the Super Bowl, and the Lightning knocked off the Flyers this year to reach the Stanley Cup Finals.

Philadelphia fans are passionate, but easy to hate. They are the fans who once booed Santa Claus at a game and cheered when football player Michael Irvin was carried off the field with a broken neck.

But no one's quite sure what to think of Calgary fans. They seem unfailingly polite, and because astute hockey knowledge is their birthright, you could never win an argument about the sport with them.

No one seems to know whether to heckle them or offer them directions to Busch Gardens.

And even if a Calgary fan insulted the Tampa Bay area, what could a Tampa Bay fan possibly come back with? "Well, at least our city didn't host the 1988 Winter Olympics."

This series has turned into such a pillow fight that you can't even call Calgary a "Cowtown." They actually take that as a compliment. That's because Calgary is the home to the world-famous Calgary Stampede, a parade and rodeo that attracts over 1 million people each year.

Perhaps no one hates Calgary because, honestly, when was the last time anyone in Florida gave Calgary a thought? Who could even pick it out on a map?

Calgary is the largest city in Alberta, with a population of 850,000. It is situated near the Canadian Rockies, and is the home of much of Canada's gas and oil industry.

But the city's passion, of course, is the Flames, the same way Tampa's sport scene swirls around the Bucs.

Actually, Canada's passion for hockey is so deep it almost makes you feel sorry for Calgary's players. The whole country is behind the Flames, and its pride seems to hinge on whether they win this series.

The players are well aware of the pressure, too. A team from Canada has not won the Stanley Cup since 1993, and Calgary has not won it since 1989.

Even Wayne Gretzky, who is like royalty in Canada, was at Thursday night's game. Think he was rooting for the Lightning?

The players and coaches don't even take shots at each other. In the Philadelphia series, Tampa Bay coach John Tortorella told Philadelphia coach Ken Hitchcock to shut his "yap." In this series, Tortorella said he has nothing but respect for Calgary coach Darryl Sutter and refused to turn the series into a battle between the United States and Canada.

And get this: Here's what Tampa Bay's Martin St. Louis had to say about Calgary superstar Jarome Iginla.

"He takes time away from the game and he's just a good all-around person," St. Louis said. "As much success as he has, he always goes out of his way to say hi to people."

And so it's on to Calgary for Game 3.

See you at the pancake breakfast.

Tirian 05-28-2004 09:42 AM

Those pancakes had some flies mixed in with the blueberries !

BonesCPA 05-28-2004 11:09 AM

Maybe we have a real series going here. Let see if we trade off games like the Flyers-Lightning matchup.

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Originally posted by DDDDave
Philadelphia fans are passionate, but easy to hate. They are the fans who once booed Santa Claus at a game and cheered when football player Michael Irvin was carried off the field with a broken neck.
Everytime they talk about Philly fans the always bring up the Santa Claus incident. What everyone doesn't realize is that we aren't embarassed by this, we take pride in this.

From USA TODAY:

PHILADELPHIA — No surprise Philadelphia fans were rough on the Eagles at 0-2. After all, they once threw snowballs at ....
Hold it. In a new book titled The Great Philadelphia Fan Book, co-authors Glen Macnow and Anthony L. Gargano contend Philly fans get a bum rap in frequent mentions about that 1968 day when they hurled snowballs at Santa Claus. Not that they didn't do it.

"No event has been used to tar-and-feather Philadelphia fans as much. And no event has been as exaggerated, misconstrued and inaccurately recalled," they write.

Macnow, a talk show host along with Gargano on WIP radio in Philadelphia, says it's all about the circumstances.

"Everybody just thinks that people pelted Santa with snow balls for no reason other than we're mean people," he says.

A crowd of 54,535 showed in a snowstorm that Dec. 15 day at Franklin Field to watch the last-place Eagles finished off a 2-12 season with a loss to Minnesota.

The book says that team owner Jerry Wolman had "dismantled a strong, proud franchise" and hired Joe Kuharich as coach and general manager. Kuharich, who inspired the "Joe Must Go" slogan, traded Hall of Fame quarterback Sonny Jurgensen to Washington for Norm Snead.

At halftime, there was supposed to be a Christmas pageant. Then there was too much snow and muck for a float to parade around the field. Instead, according to the book, a 19-year-old fan wearing a Santa suit and fake beard in the stands was recruited to jog onto the field between two columns of cheerleaders.

The authors don't deny boos were heard and that snowballs were tossed. Are they saying Santa had it coming?

"Santa had it coming for a different reason actually," says Macnow. "Santa was a surrogate that day for Joe Kuharich and Jerry Wolman and Norm Snead. The poor kid just happened to be representing the frustrations."

The authors tracked down the Santa, Frank Olivo, who now lives in Ocean City, N.J. In the book, Olivo says he has no hard feelings. "I'm a Philadelphia fan, I knew what was what. I thought it was funny," he is quoted as saying.

But Olivo recalls that when he was asked if he might want to play Santa again the next season, he balked. "No way. If it doesn't snow, they'll probably throw beer bottles."

diddagirl 05-28-2004 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by DDDDave
They were great goals, scored by a fantastic team. I understand it is a tough loss for the Calgary fans tho..... they got their ass kicked :) :)


Uhhhh, yeahhh. Good thing nobody was trying to say that Tampa did not deserve that win and that there goals were not worthy (Unlike the person I said that too- who were trying to minizmize Calgary's win) :rolleyes:

It was definitly a great game. Tampa played very well and I was quite dissapointed with the way Calgary got really sloppy towards the end of the game and got so many needless penalties. Looking forward to game 3, its gonna be intense!

Tempboy 05-28-2004 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by DDDDave
The refereeing is not consistent from game to game because there are two different sets of refs. Games 1,3,5 and games 2,4,6. Game 7 refs are chosen by the 'best' refs from prior games. WTF?

What? You have to be joking. You can't use different referees to justify the crap they pull. This is a professional league. You can't have inconsistent reffing.. where in one game, a certain infraction will be let go, and in the next game, it'll get called a dozen times.

Fly 05-28-2004 08:51 PM

see what brand of hockey we get without the trap?


i freakin' love it.......run and gun baby......

Tempboy 05-29-2004 06:53 PM

3-0 shutout, baby! GO FLAMES GOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ace_O_Spades 05-29-2004 07:27 PM

Haha, wow... good job calgary, there's gonna be partying tonight

silent_jay 05-29-2004 08:31 PM

Good show Flames

metalgeek 05-30-2004 02:51 AM

mmm wonderful game to watch, just wonderful.
Think the lightning are starting to get worn down?
Shame about the injury to Fedetenko though, bad accident, hope it isn't broken.

Fly 05-30-2004 05:59 AM

just gotta keep hammerin' tampa............they'll get tired and sore.



upper 49th baby.............bring back the cup

Tirian 05-30-2004 07:10 AM

I got a good chuckle during an interview with Simon on the Canadian coverage after the game. I saw that on his last shift with seconds to go he was jawing at Habbie, and I was wondering what that was about.

So the interviewer asks Simon what he was saying to Habbie, and Simon says as polite as can be, "Well he gave me a little tap on the way by, so I just wanted to ask him what that was all about." I wondered if he was so polite talking with Habbie ?

Made me laugh...good line Chris.

diddagirl 05-30-2004 02:29 PM

Awesome game. As expected this has turned out to be one hell of a series so far. Really looking forward to tomorrow nights game!

sherpahigh 05-31-2004 07:42 AM

That game on Saturday was great! I was out camping near Canmore this weekend for a sort of Stag party. There were about 10 of us gathered around a tiny little black and white tv to watch the game and it was a great time. Great game and a great weekend in the mountains. Can't beat that in the spring. :thumbsup:

Still no luck on tickets for tonight though. I'll have to keep trying.

Go Flames Go!! The cup is coming home. Wooooohooo!!

Ace_O_Spades 05-31-2004 06:10 PM

So far 1-0 Tampa... its been a good game so far... lots of scoring chances

Ace_O_Spades 05-31-2004 06:51 PM

Hell of a hockey game

i wonder what would have happened if Iginla had gotten off the shot right at the end there... oh well... It's shaping up to be a grand series!

That hook on conroy was such a dive though, but i guess it could have been called either way.... I'm sure there will be plenty of complaining about the officiating though nonetheless

sherpahigh 05-31-2004 07:30 PM

The game came down to two stupid penalties in my opinion. Clark in the first to create the 5 on 3 and then Nemo at the end there. Also Bulin standing on his freakin ear didn't help either.

Ah well, was a good game for the most part and now I get a chance to get some game 6 tickets. Flames winning the cup at home on Saturday night would be fantastic.

Go Flames!!

diddagirl 05-31-2004 07:43 PM

That was a hard loss to take. You cant help but feel just robbed when it was such a close game and the only goal scored was on a 5-3 powerplay.

matteo101 05-31-2004 08:12 PM

Yea that was gay. That 5-3 was brutal, not the call, but just the fact of having it. Calgary in six is still my prediction. They will come back.

WarWagon 05-31-2004 08:12 PM

Heh, bad time for Iginla to try and show off some fancy stick work.

CALGARY = pwned

Go_AVS 05-31-2004 08:40 PM

The game was great, the refs sucked. How can they give a 5 on 3 so early, call 5 min major for Nemo's hit was BS and I am not a biased fan (however I do want the Flames). The refs screwed this game up but it was still a fun one to watch.

Go Flames, get the CUP back in the west where it belongs...

leo_cote 05-31-2004 08:48 PM

They will come back.Go Flames!!!

TheShadow 05-31-2004 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by Go_AVS
The game was great, the refs sucked. How can they give a 5 on 3 so early, call 5 min major for Nemo's hit was BS and I am not a biased fan (however I do want the Flames). The refs screwed this game up but it was still a fun one to watch.

Go Flames, get the CUP back in the west where it belongs...

Nemienen's hit was truly dirty. So was the louder boo'ing when Lecavalier got back up. I left the room for a minute after that incident. The line between hockey and violence is often thin, and it crossed it on that hit. Say he was faking it all you want - a hit to the back isn't something to be taken lightly. For all we know, Lecavalier may have a concussion as a result. I am routing for the Flames now, but after that hit, I didn't believe they, as a team with Nemienen, deserved to win. The ejection was deserved, to say the least.

Ace_O_Spades 05-31-2004 09:49 PM

It was a pretty dirty hit, I was disgusted... but mainly because I love Lecavalier, and hate Neminen... him and his big smily face GRRRR :mad:... But i love the rest of the flames haha, just hate Neminen

And I'm all for calling 5-3 power plays if there are penalties to be called.

Tempboy 05-31-2004 11:21 PM

Oh? What about Pratt's retaliation.. it would have been a 4 on 3 situation at WORST.

Fuck..
This game can be so frustrating sometimes.
I know I'm biased in Calgary's favour, but come ON.. let's see some real reffing here. Fucking hell...

DDDDave 06-01-2004 04:30 AM

What a series!!

Leading goal scorer in the playoffs...Out, Starting defenseman....Out, Playing on the road in a must win game and doing what they had to do....Priceless.

It was a great game though. Lot's of scoring chances by both teams all the way through. Had me on the edge of my seat for the final period thats for sure.

Any chance of Nemienen getting a 1 game suspension? Talk is the league is reviewing the play. Did someone really imply faking? He freakin' drove his head into the glass with his elbow from behind. Totally deserved a major. That is just a stupid penalty though. How do you do that when your team is down with 4 minutes to go?


Lightning in 6.

sherpahigh 06-01-2004 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by DDDDave
What a series!!

Leading goal scorer in the playoffs...Out, Starting defenseman....Out, Playing on the road in a must win game and doing what they had to do....Priceless.

Lightning in 6.

Yup, it's a great series alright. But Iginla's out? That's news to me and the rest of the City. Oh wait, you're talking about Tampa I suppose and not overall, but what's this... Richards is listed as the leading scorer there. Ah well, I suppose it is a tie.

Anyway, just kidding, but you're dead wrong about your last statment there. This town's going to explode on Saturday night when the Flames win the Cup at home.

Go Flames Go!!

the_marq 06-01-2004 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by DDDDave

Any chance of Nemienen getting a 1 game suspension? Talk is the league is reviewing the play. Did someone really imply faking? He freakin' drove his head into the glass with his elbow from behind. Totally deserved a major. That is just a stupid penalty though. How do you do that when your team is down with 4 minutes to go?


Lightning in 6.

Someone will always cry "faker" when a major penalty gets called. Hell I live in Calgary and I think Neminan should get suspended....not mention benched by Sutter.

FLAMES in 6!

00111000 06-01-2004 09:41 AM

Nemienen is an ass. It's that simple. He has pulled cheap shit all through the playoffs. That said, Screw Tampa! Go Flames!

Ace_O_Spades 06-01-2004 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by the_marq
not mention benched by Sutter.

that would send a message eh?

And would be classy... but will he bench him i think? no...

will he get suspended? no...

IMO anyway... I'd be delighted to be proven wrong

CanadianCommie 06-01-2004 02:52 PM

Go Flames Go!


I want to see that cup come back to Canada, even if it's riding on the backs of my second most hated enemies


/Flames in 6
/I still hate Dallas way more

diddagirl 06-01-2004 03:55 PM

I think it is a love/hate relationship with Calgary fans and Neimenen..... We love him when he makes good plays, but when he is constantly fighting and makes stupid mistakes we hate the fuckin guy. Regardless of who you are chearing for- the reffing in that game was cheap. The missed alot of potential good calls and screwed Calgary in the first 5 minutes of the game with the 2nd penalty.

Ace_O_Spades 06-01-2004 05:20 PM

Kinda like Vancouver fans and Jovo... oh wait... i fucking hate that guy no matter what he does

go to hell jovo

matteo101 06-01-2004 08:32 PM

Jovo screwed us over so bad in game seven..i dont wanna think about that anymore...Damn you AceofSpades for making me:mad:
Fuck Jovo


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