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Recipe Do you BRINE chicken breasts before baking?

Discussion in 'Tilted Food' started by DAKA, Aug 19, 2015.

  1. DAKA

    DAKA DOING VERY NICELY, THANK YOU

    In what and for how long?
     
  2. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

  3. DAKA

    DAKA DOING VERY NICELY, THANK YOU

    Thanks snowy, I just put 2 cut up breasts in a mix of salt and brown sugar as a trial....
     
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  4. DAKA

    DAKA DOING VERY NICELY, THANK YOU

    Hard to say if there was difference, I used them in a stir fry.....wondering if I should brine after pounding them for chicken marsala with mushrooms...
     
  5. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    I don't usually brine, but I also tend not to make just breasts, in part since Mrs. Levite likes the white meat, but I like dark, and in part because I prefer to roast the whole chicken if I can, since it turns out more flavorful and juicy that way.

    But on the occasions I make pieces instead of the whole bird, I like to marinate everything well. I use a lot of different marinades depending on how I'll be cooking and saucing the chicken, but for a relatively basic baked chicken, I take my parts (bone-in and skin-on, since they'll come out better that way, even if you want to remove the skin and bones before serving), rub them well with half a clove of garlic (per piece), then rub them generously with sea salt, cracked pepper, paprika, and a very small bit each of cinnamon and sumac. Then I put them in a big ziplock bag with half an onion, the halved cloves of garlic (plus a few more, crushed), the juice of 3 lemons per 2 pieces of chicken (putting some of the squeezed-out lemon pieces in the bag with the chicken), and a generous splash each of EVOO and of dry white wine. I shake up the bag a bit to ensure all pieces get coated, then let it marinate in the fridge for anywhere from 2-12 hours. When I take the pieces out to put them in the pan, I may dust them with a bit more of the spices, and sprinkle on a little more EVOO. I use a pan with a flat roasting rack, but under the rack, in the bottom of the pan, I pour a generous splash of the marinade, and put in the cloves of garlic and lemon pieces as well. Then into the oven at 400 for 35-50 minutes, depending on how many pieces and of what size I am cooking.
     
  6. DAKA

    DAKA DOING VERY NICELY, THANK YOU

    Levite,
    Quite a process, we usually use skinless breasts.
    I'll have to give it a try, (but how about rubbing garlic on the skinless?)
    I make Chicken marsala with mushrooms, "pounded chicken breasts" sauteed, (Costco chicken) and it is usually very tender, but missing "something", I've had Chic/Marsala at Italian restaurant's and it has much more "flavor"
     
  7. Leto

    Leto Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Toronto
    brining works best to keep the meat from drying out during roasting. I usually do it to the whole bird, and typically I do it with turkey as it is notoriously dry. I think I did try it once for roasting just the breasts and it worked out well. If you are sauteeing or using a sauce, brining seems (to me) to be a needless step.
     
  8. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Probably this.

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  9. DAKA

    DAKA DOING VERY NICELY, THANK YOU

    Snowy
    Ya' think? MSG, uggghhh So I guess I'll just make my "healthy, less tasteful" Chicken Marsala
    --- merged: Aug 21, 2015 at 12:38 PM ---
    Well, I am now in the process of making Chef Johns Italian meatballs.........
    It's too hot outside here in FLL, probably 92....so I'll do some cooking, and freezing stuff....
     
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  10. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    MSG isn't unhealthy. It is a refined form of glutamate. Free glutamates exist in all kinds of foods, including parmesan, tomatoes, and mushrooms, all things you are likely using when you cook Italian food. Functionally, when you eat these things, your body doesn't know the difference between MSG and free glutamate. Remember, EVERYTHING is a chemical, even the water you're drinking.

    I find it hilarious when people complain about Chinese food giving them headaches, but love Japanese food. Japanese food is ridiculously high in free glutamates--and maybe even actual MSG. ;)

    Here's a link to a more comprehensive post I wrote on MSG: Day to day | Page 8 | The TFP

    Why MSG allergy is fake science | Jeremy Goldkorn | Comment is free | The Guardian
     
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  11. DAKA

    DAKA DOING VERY NICELY, THANK YOU

    Huh, I remember reading that MSG was BAD years ago
    I never had a headache or any reaction to Chinese food anyway
    So how much MSG do you use? Are there differences in brands?
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    Hmmm,went from brining chicken to MSG.....What's next?
     
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  12. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    A little MSG goes a long way--I use about 1/4 a teaspoon in most things (mac and cheese, pasta sauce, risotto, soup). It gives it oomph. Buy Ajinomoto--they're the original. The red and white box is hard to miss, and you can find it in the Asian food aisle at some places, or at your local Asian market.
     
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  13. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    It's actually not such a process. It takes longer to describe than to actually do. You can get the pieces rubbed and into the marinade 1-2-3, and then you just go off and do your thing while it marinates. Or you can put up the marinade before going to bed, let it marinate while you sleep.

    If you're bound and determined to use skinless breasts, don't bake them. It's virtually impossible to get them to remain juicy that way.

    Pound them like you would for chicken marsala. Chop up some parsley and keep it in reserve; then take the garlic from the marinade, chop it up fine, and start sauteeing it in a medium-hot pan. You can use EVOO, though I sometimes like to take some duck prosciutto (you could use regular prosciutto), render off the fat from that, and cook the garlic and the chicken in the duck fat. Once the garlic is just starting to caramelize, take it out of the pan, adding a little more fat or oil if necessary, and sautee the pounded chicken breasts just until they are seared on both sides. Drain off any excess fat, and then add back in the garlic, crumble in the prosciutto if you used it, and add in the parsley. Stir everything around to coat the chicken, and then pour in a splash of marinade to deglaze the pan. Once it's deglazed, add some more marinade (enough to cover the chicken between 1/4 and 1/3 of the way), lower the heat to simmer, cover, and cook for another 7-10 minutes, depending on how thinly you've pounded the chicken. If the sauce is still thin, you can add in a little paste of cornstarch and warm water to thicken it.

    Again, takes longer to describe than to do it. And it's basic enough that you can gussy it up in a whole bunch of different ways if you feel like fucking around with it.
     
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  14. DAKA

    DAKA DOING VERY NICELY, THANK YOU

    Levite
    OK, I have "copied" your instructions , I will give that a try...is it safe to use the marinade from the chicken that way, doesn't seem to get to a high enough temperature to kill off bacteria...I worry about chicken "juice"...
     
  15. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    I've never had a problem, although if you're concerned, you could put the marinade separately into a saucepot before you begin sautéing the garlic, and bring it to a boil, then turn it to simmer as soon as it has begun to boil. Let it simmer while you fix the chicken, and then use it with the chicken as before.

    You can also, of course, discard the marinade altogether and simply squeeze in some more fresh lemons, add in the zest of one lemon, splash in some white wine, and dash in a bit more salt, pepper, and paprika. Then you just cook that down until the liquid reduces by about half. If you like, you can add in a splash of chicken stock and a tiny bit of cornstarch/water paste to make the sauce more of a gravy; but that's entirely a matter of taste.
     
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  16. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    What @Levite suggests is the safe way to go about it.
     
  17. Daniel_

    Daniel_ The devil made me do it...


    I generally just use thai fish sauce for the samd effect, and a splash to any savoury and you'll notice the improvement but most people can't put their finger on why when they eat it.