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Russia - the Bear has become the world's bully again

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Mar 3, 2018.

  1. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...ve-helped-spread-smear-us-ambassador-ukraine/

    All roads lead to Putin
    And if ya don’t think they’re not active still
    You’re fooling yourself

    Every day in every way
    The Russians are manipulating things

    This includes much related to the impeachment
    If not other politics and politicians

    They will muddy the waters where they can

    And we’re just getting more muddy swimming in it
    Some are drowning
     
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Russians are masters of deception when it comes to cyberwars

    The audacity principle seems to be the leading MO of toxic leaders these days.
    And Putin is un-repressed, no holds barred.

    Until they're stopped, the Russians and others will keep doing the bad stuff and claiming innocence. (sound like a technique you know??)

    Their cyber-hacking (and China's) is just the tip of the iceberg.
    What you know, what out experts know, is already a decoy. (think of Mr. Robot without the insanity...) Beyond onion layers...this is multi-dimensional, dynamic and obscured.
    And you've got the resourced and focus of major nations to deploy it.

    Until we catch up
    Until we punish them
    Until we prevent it (24/7/365 everywhere)

    They'll keep attacking, probing, pushing.
    Sad part...what we KNOW of
    Sadder...we have leaders ignoring or assisting in it on our side.

    And now, it looks like they're making up the rules at the UN
    This is like having mobsters making the law.
     
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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    How a Russian disinfo op got Trump impeached

    Interesting perspective.
    You would think Putin/Russia wouldn't want to disrupt the biggest gift that keeps on giving...and protect Trump at all costs.

    But this is what bullies do, they lose track at who they're bullying in all ways...and overstep their bounds despite their own benefit to continue bullying.

    I think Putin's monster of instigation and manipulation may be getting out of his control through irrational exuberance or over enthusiasm.

    And I hope they keep tripping over themselves.
    Because, that's when they show their hand.
    Proof of the punching.
     
  5. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    Russia probably wanted to have the blame get put on Ukraine in order to stop funding and to lift the sanctions on them if the blame could be shifted. I am kind of surprised that Russia hasn't created a fake server and backstory with Hillary's emails, Podesta's emails, and all the DNC dirt on it in the Ukraine that people can point to.

    The problem Russia has is the person they chose doesn't know how to run an operation like this. And the people surrounding him aren't exactly FSB/CIA level covert spies either.
     
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  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Correct, Russia while ruthless, tends to not be subtle...they prefer brute force.
    There are quite a few nations that apply their tradecraft in less obvious ways
     
  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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  9. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    I don't understand what Ukraine gets them except if it would be like Texas or California breaking away from the rest of the US.

    I'm kind of surprised that Putin hasn't tried to do more to unify the old USSR and make himself Tzar.
     
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  10. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    In a way he has, consolidating his power
    And making himself President effectively for life.

    But he’s checked by the power of the ogliarchs
    They don’t want a monarch as absolute rule

    Nor can he declare it any more than Xi can.
    Unless your system starts that way like the Saudis
    The world won’t respect or interact with them.
    You notice none of the tyrants ever take royal roles.

    He is trying to rebuild the USSR and then some.
    But cunningly he’s focusing on getting more ocean/sea ports...because the ice makes Russia effectively landlocked.

    So influencing the Balkan states hoping to absorb them...for an Adriatic port
    I see his maneuvering in Syria and Turkey as a way to bring Turkey in...for a Mediterranean port.

    I don’t think he wants Afghanistan again
    Too high maintenance with the people politics
    And it’s mostly rock.

    The hard part is the world has changed
    The Balkans are gearing up vs him
    Turkeys Erdogan is mad but cunning, not wanting to lose control.
    The US used to check him left and right, but T mixed that for now.
    So NATO is a big check and they have to reorg now they can’t fully rely on the US.
    China’s knocking on his back door.
    And to be honest, MAD of nuclear missile philosophy still works...he doesn’t want to trigger another Cuban Missle crisis...and get his nation nuked.
    Finally he’s got tons of ruthless rebels to distract him...including his own nuke/bio/chemical controls so they won’t use them. (...and they would)

    Really the most productive and effective weapon he’s had lately has been the state sponsored hackers...creating chaos thru the world for Russia opposition and competition.

    He’s a champion “chess master”
    But it’s a HUGE chess board of dynamic and often random pieces.
    Ask anyone who’s played the game Civilization
    And that’s just a game...
    He’s playing it at “Deity level”
    Meaning everything is against him, anything can go wrong.

    Trump is the biggest and best pawn he’s ever had.
    Problem is, he’s also an idiot.

    So he’s got his hands full...to sum it up.

    We’ll see if he’ll actually go in to take it
    Which risks his oil cooperative with Europe and his income
    Or is it just saber rattling...which IMHO is more likely.
     
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  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Trump impeachment witness: U.S. still ‘vulnerable' after Russian meddling

    Well, duh
    not her...she's done good, brilliant even.
    It's anyone still in denial (or worse ignoring it to the benefit of their party)

    The thing is, this is true ALL thru the world.
    Chaos is king is the Russian MO now. They thrive on it, they leverage it. (except in Russia but for any opposition)

    And believe me, Putin is going to take advantage of the Coronavirus disabling his enemies (cause he doesn't care if a "few" of his own die or get ill...the oil still flows)
    Speaking of oil...he just cratered the global oil industry
    Putin Dumps MBS to Start a War on America’s Shale Oil Industry
    Global Oil Producers Face Brutal Reckoning After Epic OPEC+ Fail

    It's going to be a financial clusterfuck thru the world.
    Hold onto your seats.

    Lord Putin is making his Sith dark force moves...
    All while the world is panicked
     
  12. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    Back in 2008 when that Russian Professor said that America was going to break apart, everyone thought he was crazy. Now it might be unlikely, but you could see people being happier if they could live in their own bubble.

    Russia might be a mess domestically when it comes to freedom and reducing corruption, but I will give them credit for playing a good game in foreign policy.

    Fiona Hill says Putin has America 'exactly where he wants us' - CNNPolitics
     
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  13. rogue49

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  14. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    Yes, and while I think Obama will get the black voters out this November, it is the racist white voters and racist-lite voters who will determine the outcome of this election. And talk of "reparations", "black guys sleeping with white women", "affirmative action", "black on white crime", will all sway the outcome, yet Democrats don't do anything to combat it in political campaigns. It might be Russian trolls, or it might be conservative trolls that will post about these topics on-line just to rile up the conservative base. They don't even need to say a candidate's name, they just will post a lot of inferior while male porn on the major sites and it will have the desired effect.
     
  15. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    In a time of a worldwide pandemic when good information is vitally important to keeping things from horribly wrong guess who is trying to fuck with things.
    If I believed in hell, Putin would be spending an eternity with demons raping his asshole with hot pokers at this point.

    Russian media ‘spreading Covid-19 disinformation’
     
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  16. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    There will be a reckoning...
    After this crisis is over and with administration change.
    If the US acted the way it did after Pearl Harbor and 9/11...about 3000 dead each
    How do you think it will react after millions dead???
    There’s a red hot center to this country...
    I could easily see a cyberwar and intelligence & political attacks and manipulation surge.
    Putin will be an unhappy camper then.
     
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