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University Education & Women

Discussion in 'Tilted Life and Sexuality' started by genuinemommy, Jan 25, 2012.

  1. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    A friend of mine shared this with me this morning. I was horrified. I'm starting to wonder if encouraging women like Ms Stauss (below) to attend university isn't just a horrible waste of energy.
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    So, this is an older article, from earlier in 2003. It seems to re-surface on the internet every couple of years. So, here we go - the real questions I want to ask...
    Do you feel you have benefited from education, or not?
    Is it worthwhile to educate people who simply do not care?
    How can we reach these students?
    How common is it that women have this mentality?

    I have to admit: graduate school is difficult. There are times when I just plain want to stay home and pursue hobbies like music and painting - mainly when I am over-stressed and need a break. But when it comes down to it, I love my work and can't think of giving up.
    Sure, my husband makes good money now. Maybe if we had kids I would want to stay at home with them all day and see to their edcation like so many of my friends who have chosen to home-school. But honestly I'm not sure I'd want to do that much work. Raising kids isn't the walk in a park that the young woman above seems to think. From what I've seen, being a mother is more than a full-time job. The life she dreams of living is far from what she is likely to experience.

    There isn't much call for "Princesses" these days.
     
  2. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    It's a very poorly written article. Glancing at it as I type, I can see one glaring fragment without really looking for it.

    Do I feel I have benefited from my education? Absolutely. My skill set has grown considerably over the course of my studies. My English degree taught me a great deal about critical thinking and analysis, and I feel those skills are invaluable no matter what kind of job I have.

    Is it worthwhile to educate people who simply do not care? No. That's the rub of the education system in the United States. There's this idea floating around that everyone should go to college, but here's the thing: not everyone should go to college. College dropout rates are very high in the United States. The six-year graduation rate at my institution hovers around 60%. How many of those kids are dropping out of college with debt? We really need to take a look at beefing up our education structures as they pertain to skilled trades. We need skilled tradesmen and skilled technicians. People do not need a four-year college degree to do those jobs. Further than that, I really don't want people who don't care in my classes. They're wasting the professor's time.

    How common is it? Well, I attend a university where women still go to get their Mrs. In fact, my current major is considered THE Mrs. degree. I hate it because, as I said above, I don't want people who don't care in my classes. They just take up space and don't contribute anything. I have to put up with them talking, texting, and otherwise ignoring the professor during class. It's a huge distraction when there is an enormous block of girls from the same sorority talking about the upcoming party/last night's party/how they got sooooo wasted. I'd wager about 30% of the girls in my classes have this mentality, and I feel that it's part of the reason why the classes in this major aren't more difficult and more oriented toward developmental psychology. If the classes get too hard, the girls start bitching at the professors about it, and the professors listen. That drives me nuts.

    I love school. I could go to college forever!
     
  3. Most certainly I benefitted from going back to college as a mature student and a single parent.
    One lady I was at college with so wanted to become a teacher - she had husband and children, and had been working full time in a factory. She was very bright, she had left school to go to work, and then she got married.
    Sadly, there is an awfull thing that happens to some husbands when their wives start to learn. Her husband told her she was being selfish by wanting to be a teacher - because if she went back to work in the factory, they could afford holidays. She felt she had to quit, to be a good mum and a good wife. Sad waste.
    Education should not be wasted on those with no wish to learn.
    Snowy - that realy sucks being held back by the bimbos. Its sad that the teaching staff are caving in to their request to stay more stupid. Look on them as test subjects - and the lecturers - might pass the time a little - and you might get a good essay out of it - if you change it to sounding like its on the barman and the girls at Hooters.
     
  4. aquafox

    aquafox Getting Tilted

    Location:
    Ibapah, UT
    please do. With people in my age range (under 30), I find it harder to communicate and stand those who don't have some higher education. There are many exceptions to the rule but it is a trend.
     
  5. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    If you went to college to study something because you wanted to instead of having to, that would be different.

    Staying at home would be great for the first few months. I don't know if it would be ideal or not after that if your only job was to improve the relationship and finding stuff to do around the house.
     
  6. Freetofly

    Freetofly Diving deep into the abyss

    Education has benefited me in the long run. Education is a tool in life, and the way it is used will define your future.
    I have seen great women employees come from community colleges and unmanageable women come from high dollar educational institutes.
    I don't think you can change the attiude of a student that just doesn't care unless something grabs their attention, gives them purpose.
    I'm hoping this isn't a common mentality amoung women. That would be interesting to look into; I know today, in the workforce there are more and more women in VP, President positions.
     
  7. CoffeeBee

    CoffeeBee Slightly Tilted

    If it were not for my education, I would not be where I am today. I would not be able to support my children after my husband left me, provide them food and shelter, clothes. So, yes, I have benefited from my education, even if my job is not related to my degree. Do I think all people NEED a higher education? Not necessarily. But they do need to learn to be independent and not have to marry someone just for the money.
     
  8. Not all women want a husband. Either they want a wife, or have no desire to have a partner and offspring.

    Sorry. I'm having a problem saying more since the article bothers me so much. I really hope it was a hoax, but can't find anything saying it is. It was fun to google Lynzee Strauss though.
     
  9. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    Attached is the image of that article that I saw on FB yesterday.

    It bothers me a lot, too.
     

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  10. SCBronco

    SCBronco Getting Tilted

    well, i think the OP was directed to the ladies, but after reading i had to chime in... I grew up in the south, where things were about as traditional as they could get... lots of the Moms when i was growing up were homemakers. Furthermore, my wife is actually a homemaker, we have two very young boys, and neither of us would have it any other way... for now...

    That being said, if i thought my wife for one second had the attitude of the young lady in the article, she'd be cut off instantly. (And i know she does not...)

    the real shame is that it's painfully obvious that this girl was just riding out school. the real failure is that noone tells these kids what kinda opportunites are out there. degrees and trade programs are as broad and specialized as ever right now. The guidance counselors have got to be more involved, and so do the parents. I know my Guidance Counselor didnt give 2 shits, she knew she had to get 400 kids through the required college counseling session and be done.

    My parents on the other hand had a solid interest in both mine and my sister's college future. their only point of failure was applying specialty direction to aggressive. i wanted to go to technical school for Welding and Fabrication. My mother forbade it, cuz she knew i was smart, and my father insisted on Engineering. i dropped out, got back in later and am now in contract management.

    long story short, our society has got to tlak some sense into our kids, or our democracy is gonna become an idiocracy.

    Disclaimer: My wife works her tight round ass off raising our boys, and i gaurantee she puts in more labor per hour and more hours than i do all day long. i just happen to get paid for it... do my best to pay her back in every way i can ;)
     
  11. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    They missed the fragment.
     
  12. They missed a WHOLE lot of crap.

    I feel embarrassed for the newspaper that published this.
     
  13. CinnamonGirl

    CinnamonGirl The Cheat is GROUNDED!

    Going by her age and when it came out, it was apparently published in a high school paper.

    I read through it once, and can't bring myself to do it again. Although, I do find it interesting that the terrible writing pisses me off more than what she's actually writing about. Hmm.
     
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  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I cannot read this as anything other than satire. Sorry.
     
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  15. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

    Location:
    Colorado
    Same. Staff reporter? Fire her editor, too.

    It reminds me of the saying "Beauty is temporary, stupid is forever". It's the only piece of dating advice that I ever share.
     
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  16. curiousbear

    curiousbear Terse & Bizarre

    Firstly please do not get bothered with the article. If it is real I am damn sure it is written by someone who wasnt a grownup!

    My education has made me self-reliant, proud, productive and happy. Not just me it has indeed done a lot of good to many people related to me too!

    I went to college to get qualified and to get rich. That is honest truth! But I was extremely interested, involved and sincere. That brought me not only good education but amazing friends of my life.

    In a developed society, men or woman should go to college because they are hungry for knowledge, challenge and accomplishments. Not because they have to!

    And girls should not just look at hot women who just get their nails done (they are cool too) but also women who are astrophysicist, life-saving surgeons, great teachers, and so on.
    --- merged: Jan 27, 2012 6:27 AM ---
    Do you feel you have benefited from education, or not?
    Yes, greatly​

    Is it worthwhile to educate people who simply do not care?
    Yes, at least make them literate. And basics like constitution, banking, supply demand concept, etc.​

    How can we reach these students?
    I think children should be taken tour to great universities, planetariums, companies, etc. They should be given a chance to see places where they could be if they do good in education. They should be shown great medical treatments done by doctors saving lifes. If they see it I think it will be inspiring.​

    How common is it that women have this mentality?
    I don't know. From where I come from it is very less these days. Everyone want to be qualified and capable of being independent.
     
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  17. Poetry

    Poetry Totally Sharky, Complete

    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    I honestly don't understand why everyone is getting so upset/offended. Some girls (and boys) think this way. Purpose in life: be pretty, be married, be taken care of. It's still quite accepted as a lifestyle, and understandably so-- if I didn't have my own internal motivators, I'd certainly be willing to kick back and be someone's pampered sex-pet/wife.

    I love college. I love grad school. I love what I get to do and the opportunities it affords me. I'm grateful that I'm in a position in life where I can devote most of my time to school and I'm grateful that I have the support from my family in my pursuit of bettering myself. Most people don't, especially at my age (28).

    But I do know (and accept) that others don't feel the same way I do. It's different priorities, a different value system. It happens. Do I think "the world" would be "better off" if more people were college-educated? Probably in some ways, probably not in others. Let her do her thing, let me do mine. End o' story.
     
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  18. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    I do like smart women and they are much more interesting to talk to. But I think the current college environment of hooking up because no one has time for relationships in college is the big problem, and the expectations that from kindergarten that you have to go to college is second. And then the women are supposed to use this degree to find a stressful full-time job and work at it to build their career and make other people rich.

    There are some big time flaws in the modern day culture, and it all comes back to the 50 hour work week (commute+lunch+prep) for 50+ weeks a year. And that applies to both men and women. People need to put their health and other people in their lives ahead of money and 'success'.
     
  19. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    I think what you see as the "current college environment of hooking up" is overstated. Almost everyone I know who is collegiate age, and thanks to my classes and work it's quite a few, is in a committed relationship, even my sorority girl friends. I see more of a culture of serial monogamy, if anything.
     
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  20. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    I will agree that different colleges have different cultures, but I only knew 1 girl in my Freshman year who was dating her high school boyfriend who didn't go to the same college. They only saw each other on the weekends because you couldn't live with a boyfriend in the dorms.

    It isn't easy to work hard and do classwork until 2-3 am a few nights a week and still have a relationship. My best friend in college pulled it off because he was older and his wife had already graduated and had a job so only one of them went to college at a time. They made it work.

    I should have defined 'hooking up' as only having time to sleep with each other for the most part. Not that they were sleeping with someone different every time.