![]() |
![]() |
#1 (permalink) | |
Psycho
Location: on my spinning computer chair
|
He has 10 wives, 64 children, and a jail sentence for rape.
Here we go,
quote: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3642085a12,00.html Quote:
Ah, and I'm sure this is just for the lawyers to have something to work on : In his mitigation plea, the man said he had found his older daughters "behaving inappropriately" with boys and he thought that "if he could satisfy the sexual needs of his daughters, they would be less likely to engage in sexual activities with boys". Before I submit this, I must say that this is deviated from Muslim religion. Muslim does not condone this behaviour as far as I know, so you shouldn't be discriminating the religion, but rather the person.
__________________
"When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, it seems like two minutes. When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes, it seems like two hours. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein Last edited by itch vaccine; 04-20-2006 at 05:34 AM.. Reason: typo on *to*, who would've guessed? |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#2 (permalink) |
I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot!
Location: Upper Michigan
|
It's amazing the excuses that abusive people will go to in order to make their victims feel obligated to oblige or be guilt tripped into silence. It's disgusting that a man would do this. He obviously had quite a large sex drive to end up wtih 64 children. That's just wow.
I'm surprised at the mothers. Looking at it from the perspective of an American woman I cannot imagine it even being possible to be so completely brainwashed as to cooperate with that. There has to be something in the culture or in those women's background that has taught them to be completely helpless with regards to anything their husband chooses to do. It's wrong, so terribly wrong. I want to hate him and anyone to brainwashed those women to cooperate so fully. That 16 yr old girl has guts. If she could see the error in the situation then how could her mother not see it. I hope she can move past this and is not pushed down again and made subservient to another hateful man like her father.
__________________
"Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma. ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 (permalink) | |
Psycho
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
|
Quote:
And no, he is not a terrorist. Thank you for listening. I have to agree with Reanna that it took some serious balls to step forward and bring the situation to light. Her doing so most likely permanently ostracized her from her family and she will need to rebuild her life from scratch.
__________________
"Whoever you are, go out into the evening,
leaving your room, of which you know each bit; your house is the last before the infinite, whoever you are." |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#4 (permalink) | |
Falling Angel
Location: L.A. L.A. land
|
Quote:
Kudos to the daughter, I know that takes amazing strength.
__________________
"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." - Matt Groening My goal? To fulfill my potential. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#5 (permalink) |
Pissing in the cornflakes
|
I'm glad we had it pointed out he wasn't a typical musslim, I might have been confused.
![]() I wonder if we would have had the same types of responses if he were Mormon ![]()
__________________
Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps. |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 (permalink) | |
Junkie
Moderator Emeritus
Location: Chicago
|
Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore Remember that idiot american kid, michael fay, who was sentenced to 4 strokes of the cane for vandalism -- i dont remember the exact number of lashes, but over a certain number it can cause death... i
__________________
Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
#7 (permalink) | ||
Devoted
Donor
Location: New England
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
I can't read your signature. Sorry. |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#8 (permalink) | ||
will always be an Alyson Hanniganite
Location: In the dust of the archives
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt. |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#9 (permalink) | |
Falling Angel
Location: L.A. L.A. land
|
Quote:
![]() Well, at least he'll be out of his daughter's (and wives) lives for a good long while. I hope the courts direct the victims in getting counseling too, but I don't know if they're into that in Singapore. They seem to be pretty forward-thinking and modern--even with having caning as punishment. I don't know if I could live with myself as one of the wives/mothers, though.
__________________
"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." - Matt Groening My goal? To fulfill my potential. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#10 (permalink) | |
Free Mars!
Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time
|
Quote:
__________________
Looking out the window, that's an act of war. Staring at my shoes, that's an act of war. Committing an act of war? Oh you better believe that's an act of war |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#11 (permalink) | |
Psycho
|
Quote:
If just giving his name would identify his daughters. It is my belief that if this too place in a "western civilization" and that just the news that a man w/ 10 wives and 64 children raped his daughters, that alone would identdify the daughters. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#12 (permalink) | |
Pissing in the cornflakes
|
Quote:
__________________
Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#13 (permalink) | |
will always be an Alyson Hanniganite
Location: In the dust of the archives
|
Quote:
__________________
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#14 (permalink) |
Asshole
Administrator
Location: Chicago
|
I think that regardless of what ethnic/politcal/cultural/religious group he belongs to, we'd all be saying "that dude is seriously fucked up. His wives and kids are fucked up too, but he made them that way."
Personally, I don't think that this guy is any more or less fucked up than any American father who has sex with his daughter. He's a typical pedophile, not a typical Muslim.
__________________
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo |
![]() |
![]() |
#15 (permalink) | |
Insane
Location: Victoria
|
Quote:
-Tamerlain
__________________
I never let school interfere with my education. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#16 (permalink) |
Junkie
Moderator Emeritus
Location: Chicago
|
Definition according to Mass Law but I'd imagine it's pretty much the same in most places.
Rape.—Sexual intercourse or unnatural sexual intercourse by a person with another person who is compelled to submit by force and against his will or by threat of bodily injury, or sexual intercourse or unnatural sexual intercourse with a child under sixteen years of age. Aggravated Rape.—Sexual intercourse or unnatural sexual intercourse by a person with another person who is compelled to submit by force and against his will or by threat of bodily injury; and either such sexual intercourse or unnatural sexual intercourse results in or is committed with acts resulting in serious bodily injury, or is committed by a joint enterprise, or is committed during the commission or attempted commission of another offence.
__________________
Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.
|
![]() |
![]() |
#17 (permalink) | |
I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot!
Location: Upper Michigan
|
Quote:
Anyone who knows otherwise, please correct me.
__________________
"Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma. ![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#18 (permalink) |
Psycho
Location: on my spinning computer chair
|
So many posts again. When I go to the UK, I'd be able to keep better track of the threads I start
![]() Caning is serious, where I live (Malaysia), you get 1 cane per session. The doctor checks your rear to see if you can get another, but usually you are left with 1, and do the other canings on another day. You get hit so hard, your skin comes off together with the cane. It's bad, and it's scary. And what raeanna74 said.. I think you're right there. But I wouldn't know, I'm not muslim. He has 4 wives legally, the other 6 are his... *mistresses*.
__________________
"When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, it seems like two minutes. When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes, it seems like two hours. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein |
![]() |
![]() |
#20 (permalink) | |
Currently sour but formerly Dlishs
Super Moderator
Location: Australia/UAE
|
Quote:
as a muslim myself, i can say that your are correct. regardless which sect or school of thought you follow, incest is absolutely forbidden in islam. i'm not sure what is meant by 'normal muslim groups' but i know of no muslim group, mainstream or fringe group that endorses rape or incest. he is just one sick individual who happens to profess a certain faith. this sort of thing happens in all faiths and cultures, ranging from priests in catholicism to the fringe 'david koresh's to mormons to sicko psychopaths... then again anyone who commits such henious acts is a sicko psychopath.
__________________
An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#21 (permalink) | |
...is a comical chap
Location: Where morons reign supreme
|
Quote:
When I first read this post, I did assume it was a man in one of these offshoot groups, because there are quite a few scandals to this nature in these groups. It doesn't matter what faith the guy is...he's sick and deserves everything he gets.
__________________
"They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings; steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king" Formerly Medusa Last edited by Grasshopper Green; 04-22-2006 at 06:29 AM.. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#22 (permalink) |
has all her shots.
Location: Florida
|
Actually, there is a book - Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer (a very well-respected journalistic writer) - that studies fundamentalist Mormonism and it is far more prevalent than I ever imagined - and disturbing. It is quite normal for girls as young as 13-14 years old to be married to much older men. Even for stepfathers to marry their own stepchildren. And because they live in closed, close-knit communities these activities are very rarely prosecuted. In fact, very often law enforcement will be involved in polygamist activities, as well. This book blew my mind. It is an excellent, well-written volume and I encourage anyone who wants to know more about fundamentalist Mormonism (not to be confused with the modern Church of Latter Day Saints) to read this book.
|
![]() |
![]() |
#23 (permalink) | |
Cunning Runt
Location: Taking a mulligan
|
Quote:
While I have not read the book you mention, I would speculate that a better wording would be "It is quite normal AMONG THESE GROUPS for girls as young as 13-14 years old to be married to much older men. Even for stepfathers to marry their own stepchildren." I would further suggest that such arrangements are rare. What does the author give you in terms of numbers?
__________________
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#24 (permalink) | ||||
has all her shots.
Location: Florida
|
Quote:
Within the American populace at large, yes it is rare, but within these groups while perhaps not the norm, it is not rarely known. But how much tolerance of the marriage of adolescent girls, right here in the States, is acceptable and not shocking? I am quoting some from the book here: Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith by Jon Krakauer, published by Doubleday, 2003. Quote:
Quote:
Here's another little tidbit that struck me....this one more amusing.... Quote:
Last edited by mixedmedia; 04-22-2006 at 02:21 PM.. |
||||
![]() |
![]() |
#25 (permalink) |
has all her shots.
Location: Florida
|
Also, there are approximately 5.6 million Mormons in the US and I don't think it's likely that most of them are practicing plural marriage.
That number also shocked me a little, though, I had no idea there were that many Mormons in the US. |
![]() |
![]() |
#26 (permalink) |
Asshole
Administrator
Location: Chicago
|
Having read the book, I can tell you that Krakauer is speaking strictly of people that have been excommunicated from (or never even belonged to) the mainstream LSD church. They are the Mormon equivalent of the snake-handling Pentacostals in East TN and Western NC - the rest of the Pentacostals think the snake handlers are nuts. Krakauer spent a fair amount of the book discussing the politics of Colorado City, AZ, which is in the NW corner of AZ and separated from the rest of the state by the Grand Canyon, which effectively cuts it off from easy travel. If I remember right, he said that the population was roughly 30-40,000 with 90% belonging to the Fundamentalist LSD church, which is pretty much catagorically vilified by the mainstream LSD church.
__________________
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo |
![]() |
![]() |
#28 (permalink) | |
Getting Medieval on your ass
Location: 13th century Europe
|
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
Tags |
children, jail, rape, sentence, wives |
Thread Tools | |
|
|