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Old 06-22-2006, 07:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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RAPEX is a new product that was developed to empower women to defend themselves against rapists. RAPEX is a device used by women to prevent rape and to identify the rapist.
http://www.rapestop.net/index.asp

Basically it's device that a woman wears, that attaches itself, using small hooks, to the penis of the rapist, causing pain to him, and requiring a hospital visit to remove, meaning he should be easy to identify.


Future news: The number of rapist turned into murders triples after the launch of this device.

As detestable as rape is, this is probably not the best way to stop it. I can only imagine that a rapist finding that something has just latched onto him is going to be pretty angry, and wanting to take that rage out on someone nearby. The FAQ for it says it should temporarily disable him, but if he has an mobility at all, she's going to be in trouble.

And of course men aren't always the bad guy. What's to stop a woman seducing a man while wearing one of these, then claiming rape? This would give her more "proof" of the rape.

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Old 06-22-2006, 07:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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weird product... I would think it will pissed off the guy, mind you the pain will probablym give the woman a chance to run away I guess... Also I doubt lots of women will go and wear that thing...
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:14 AM   #3 (permalink)
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OUCH. It's not a good time to be a rapist. I was under the impression that torture devices were illegal in most countries, and this is CLEARLY a torture device. If a man has an erection, and the penis suffers multiple lascerations, such as this device would cause, then he could possibly bleed to death (not that the man doesn't deserve punushment, but a death sentence should be up to the courts). If any woman is considering getting this device, you might want to take self defence classes first.


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Old 06-22-2006, 08:30 AM   #4 (permalink)
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If any woman is considering getting this device, you might want to take self defence classes first.
Echo that. It doesn't take much strength to do incapacitating damage to someone, provided you know where and how to hit them. Everyone should take some basic self defense class.
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:31 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Well that's a terrifying little piece of equipment, wow. I think will pretty much summed up my thoughts on the matter, so I won't go out of my way to repeat them.

Rape is bad, no question. I'm not sure this little piece of work is the way to deal with it.
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:32 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Someday the search engine will be rebuilt, and I'll be able to point to the previous thread on this. However, it isn't yet and I can't.

Checking out their FAQ, it isn't in production yet. And the FAQ is very very defensive. It makes me wonder if it is a real product or a gedankenexperiment.
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:35 AM   #7 (permalink)
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That seems like the most impractical thing....
"I'm going to the mall, gotta put in my anti-rape condom"?
How would it stay put and not slide out? What about harboring bacteria? What if my finger slips during insertion and now I have barbs stuck to me? What about during periods?
The thought to help was there, but.. uh.. no. I wouldn't even consider it.
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:37 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Someday the search engine will be rebuilt, and I'll be able to point to the previous thread on this. However, it isn't yet and I can't.
Ah, I thought I had heard of this, but wasn't sure where I'd seen it.

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Checking out their FAQ, it isn't in production yet. And the FAQ is very very defensive. It makes me wonder if it is a real product or a gedankenexperiment.
According to the site, the prototype was released last year.
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:38 AM   #9 (permalink)
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While I am not an expert on the subject, I always assumed that due to logistics (as in the number of arms and legs on a man vs. a woman) that a rape would pretty much of necessity involve either an unconscious (or drugged) victim, or a threat of violence, usually with a gun or knife.

In any of these situations, I would think enraging the perpetrator would not be the best idea.
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:44 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Once this is out, it just means it will catch a few rapists- then everyone else will know about these, and then rapists will just be sticking their hands inside vaginas to check and see if there's one in there. This will only stop the casual rapist, the rapist who doesn't pay attention to the news... which, while all rapists are important, this isn't going to catch those repeat offenders.
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Someday the search engine will be rebuilt, and I'll be able to point to the previous thread on this. However, it isn't yet and I can't.

Checking out their FAQ, it isn't in production yet. And the FAQ is very very defensive. It makes me wonder if it is a real product or a gedankenexperiment.
learn to use google's site command. i just learned about it since the search was down.
to search within a site, use the site: command. simply type the word you're searching followed by site:www.url.com

for example: anti-rape site:www.tfproject.org

and i found this page http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...oto=nextoldest
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:22 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Just like the burglar that falls out of the window and breaks his leg, sues, and wins. I bet the same would happen
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:32 AM   #13 (permalink)
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learn to use google's site command. i just learned about it since the search was down.
to search within a site, use the site: command. simply type the word you're searching followed by site:www.url.com

for example: anti-rape site:www.tfproject.org

and i found this page http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...oto=nextoldest
Dude, right... how could I forget the power of Google?

That thread was a short dupe as well, the main thread is South Africa anti-rape condom aims to stop attacks, with 70 posts for your viewing pleasure.
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:17 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Wow, absolutely ridiculous.

I suppose I understand the premise of such a product, but it doesn't really prevent the rape, it simply causes the rapist to regret it very quickly.

I imagine it would also get the rapist pretty upset - not exactly the mood the victim would likely want to put him in.
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Old 06-22-2006, 01:31 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I add my say to the list of "If you want this, take self defense"

Of course self defense could prevent rape all on it's own. As could a Glock.
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Old 06-22-2006, 03:53 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I add my say to the list of "If you want this, take self defense"

Of course self defense could prevent rape all on it's own. As could a Glock.
This also functions in the case of a roofie colada, a glock you have to be conscious to use, this is a 'fire and forget' weapon.

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Old 06-22-2006, 04:45 PM   #17 (permalink)
 
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In any of these situations, I would think enraging the perpetrator would not be the best idea.
Well, shoot. It's a lose-lose situation. I mean, the penis trap may be cruel and unusual (still deserved, though), but do you think he's gonna take kindly to self-defense, in itself? "Oh hey, you're just punching my balls and scraping my shins with your high heels, that's okay. As long as you don't have a penis-trap in your vagina, I won't get angry."

I'd say pretty much anything other than a successful rape is going to piss off a rapist... anything that denies him what he wants. If he has a gun/knife, etc, and he doesn't get what he wants, he's not going to care what you have in your vagina vs. less harmful "self-defense" skills. He'll just kill you.

(Besides, if you've got 20 barbs pulling on your penis skin, what would you actually be capable of doing other than jumping around screaming for help?)

If it were me, I'd rather piss him off AND hurt him for life, if things get that far. I'd go down fighting like a bitch, penis-trap or not. Yeah, I've heard that if a woman hurts a rapist to an unusual degree (or kills him), SHE's the one who ends up in jail... jesus, what a system. I'd kill the fucker anyway, if I could. Absolutely no mercy for those bastards.
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Old 06-22-2006, 05:09 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Another problem is that they can only "defend" one hole with that...IIRC from my criminal justice classes something like 50% go for oral or anal before vaginal rape. So this probably won't protect against rape, just cut it short and piss the guy off. This is just a product taking advantage of fear and profiting off crimes. They should be put out of business. It's like selling tornado (earthquake, tsunami, etc) insurance in arizona, sure it could theoretically happen...the odds of this device actually preventing any harm is small.
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Old 06-22-2006, 05:25 PM   #19 (permalink)
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While I am not an expert on the subject, I always assumed that due to logistics (as in the number of arms and legs on a man vs. a woman) that a rape would pretty much of necessity involve either an unconscious (or drugged) victim, or a threat of violence, usually with a gun or knife.
Trust me, you'd be wrong....I'm not a small woman by any stretch of the imagination, but I have been overpowered, no weapons involved, no violence, ie; punching. A man bent on overpowering a woman will do it unless she knows exactly how to defend herself.
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:37 PM   #20 (permalink)
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That seems like the most impractical thing....
"I'm going to the mall, gotta put in my anti-rape condom"?
How would it stay put and not slide out? What about harboring bacteria? What if my finger slips during insertion and now I have barbs stuck to me? What about during periods?
The thought to help was there, but.. uh.. no. I wouldn't even consider it.
Yeah, I was about to say, I don't think women are going to be too keen on the idea of basically wearing a bear trap in their vagina.
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Old 06-23-2006, 09:14 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Maybe I am just an idiot - are rapes that prevalent that women need to start walking around with that "thing" stuffed up them?
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Old 06-23-2006, 10:13 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Maybe I am just an idiot - are rapes that prevalent that women need to start walking around with that "thing" stuffed up them?
Its not an everyday thing for the western world, but yes in some third world countries, rape is common, usually where there is conflict, such as a civil war. As for here in the states, these would be used on the first date with some one you donít know and are not quite sure about.
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Old 06-23-2006, 10:29 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Its not an everyday thing for the western world, but yes in some third world countries, rape is common, usually where there is conflict, such as a civil war. As for here in the states, these would be used on the first date with some one you donít know and are not quite sure about.
Rape is just one of the many horrors of war--it was widespread during the civil war in Bosnia not too long ago and according to Amnesty International it is incredibly widespread right now in Darfur, Sudan.

And yes, date rape is one of the most common forms of sexual violence in the United States--I know several girls among my friends who have been date raped, including one who lost her virginity that way, unfortunately.
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Old 06-23-2006, 10:59 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I have my own anti rape device sort of. It's something that could be totally blow up in my face or be the next big thing to combat rapists. It sounds dumb and I will never try it (and I hope I never have to) but at the same time it does have some credibilty. Okay, here it is:

Get into it.

No serious, I keep hearing that rape is not about sex it's about force and control. If you want to do what they want you to do, then rape loses its appeal. In theory a rapist should leave you alone if you get excited instead of scream for help.
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Old 06-23-2006, 11:09 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I have my own anti rape device sort of. It's something that could be totally blow up in my face or be the next big thing to combat rapists. It sounds dumb and I will never try it (and I hope I never have to) but at the same time it does have some credibilty. Okay, here it is:

Get into it.

No serious, I keep hearing that rape is not about sex it's about force and control. If you want to do what they want you to do, then rape loses its appeal. In theory a rapist should leave you alone if you get excited instead of scream for help.
Trying not to make light of the current topic, but that sounds like the intro to a bad porno. If you do try that and I hope you are never in the situation that you do need to, once you confuse the hell out of him, grab his testicles, crush, and donít let go until he passes out from the pain, then get help and make sure the bastard gets whatís coming to him.
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Old 06-23-2006, 12:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
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water_bug, I see the logic behind doing that, but I'm not sure either you or he would be thinking rationally enough for it to work. If you have the composure to make it work, you must have more self control than I can imagine. I think I'd be terrified.
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Old 06-23-2006, 12:50 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Agreed, while rape is about power on a basic level, it is also fundamentally about sexual release. If you submit completly, then you are communicating to this man that not only can he get away with his actions, but he will be rewarded. This could easily creat a repeat offender. I think Dilbert's idea about the gonads is probably a good bet. Noonoo bear traps aside, that's the weakness of any man.

Don't forget also that many rape victims feel tremendous guilt about enjoying a rape on some level, and can be scarred for life. The fact is that rape is really complicated from a psychological standpoint. Any actions you might consider taking in this terrible situation should be carefully weighed.

The best way to stop a rape is to have someone walk you to your car. I walk a lot of my employees to their cars when I occasionally leave after dark, and I suspect that could deterr rapists.

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Old 06-24-2006, 10:28 PM   #28 (permalink)
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If it were me, I'd rather piss him off AND hurt him for life, if things get that far. I'd go down fighting like a bitch, penis-trap or not. Yeah, I've heard that if a woman hurts a rapist to an unusual degree (or kills him), SHE's the one who ends up in jail... jesus, what a system. I'd kill the fucker anyway, if I could. Absolutely no mercy for those bastards.
Even here in CT, where the right to self-defense isn't held in particularly high regard, rape is considered "severe bodily harm" and the threat of being raped is legal justification for use of deadly force. Last time I ws asked about my thoughts on preventing rape, I think my exact words were, "If all else fails, nothing says 'no' quite like a pair of .45 hollow points."
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I have my own anti rape device sort of. It's something that could be totally blow up in my face or be the next big thing to combat rapists. It sounds dumb and I will never try it (and I hope I never have to) but at the same time it does have some credibilty. Okay, here it is:

Get into it.

No serious, I keep hearing that rape is not about sex it's about force and control. If you want to do what they want you to do, then rape loses its appeal. In theory a rapist should leave you alone if you get excited instead of scream for help.
All that I've heard from behavioral psychologists has been the exact opposite. Being as loud and combatitive as possible is likely to break a rapist's fantasy as he realizes that a woman is unwilling to be submissive and allow him to rape her.

I don't have current data, but the 1979 DoJ data showed that only 3% of attempted sexual assaults were successful against women armed with a knife or gun as opposed to 32% against unarmed women*. Being able to defend yourself is your best chance, whether with lethal force or otherwise.

In 1966 the city of Orlando, FL suffered a wave of sexual assaults, and offered free firearms training to women in response. Sexual assaults dropped by 90%. As hard as it is to belive coming from me, I don't care about the fact that there were guns involved, what I want to emphasize is that rapists are a hell of a lot less likely to try to attack women when they think they're going to encounter resistance. Never having done anything of the sort, I can't be 100% certain, but I'd imagine it's a lot harder to sexually assault someone who's trying to crush your balls or claw out your eyes.

* - U.S. Department of Justice, Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, Rape Victimization in 26
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Old 06-25-2006, 02:57 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Its not an everyday thing for the western world, but yes in some third world countries, rape is common, usually where there is conflict, such as a civil war. As for here in the states, these would be used on the first date with some one you donít know and are not quite sure about.
I think that would be the quickest way to ever lose a guy if he somehow found out.

I mean imagine if you were about to get frisky:

"Hang on, let me take this out"
"... W... What in the name of God is that?!"
"What, that? Oh that's nothing, it's just an anti-rape device"
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Old 06-25-2006, 07:00 AM   #30 (permalink)
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This also functions in the case of a roofie colada, a glock you have to be conscious to use, this is a 'fire and forget' weapon.

The man side of me says 'I hope I donít piss off my GF' but the feminist inside says 'Fuck the bastard they deserve it'

Yea, I'm of similar disposition... Rape is one of the most horrible things anyone could do. I think I would feel less guilt killing an innocent person than raping them.

And I hadn't considered the roofie colada situation... There's just way too many variables for one solve all solution. Except to make convicted rapists examples... But I don't know that even that would deter all of it.
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It sounds dumb and I will never try it
Let me just repost this part to clarify any confusion. I was kind of kidding around. I mean, it might work, but I don't want to have to find out.
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I think that would be the quickest way to ever lose a guy if he somehow found out.

I mean imagine if you were about to get frisky:

"Hang on, let me take this out"
"... W... What in the name of God is that?!"
"What, that? Oh that's nothing, it's just an anti-rape device"
lol, the date i had last night would have been waring one if they were on the open market, she's a sweet woman, but doesn't trust anyone, i do come off a bit 'difrent' to most people, but i've lived with the womans cousin for 2 years and i got a glowing review from her, still even with that review, i could not make her dinner at my place, i had to take her out. long story short, she is moving in a few days so we just had a nice dinner and that was that.

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guy's feeling around...
"oh wait hun i need to take out my..."
"Oh god my Hand WTF IS THAT, OH GOD YOU HAVE BARBS IN THERE? WHAT KIND OF FREAK ARE YOU? "
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"next on jerry springer, 'my date was an alien.' "
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I doubt that this would be of much practical use because I see logistical problems with it, but assuming for the sake of argument that it did work, the damage to the rapist's penis would be the least of my worries.

Personally, I like that it's a non-lethal form of defense, something in between no defense and deadly force.

What are a "roofie colada" and a "glock"?

Ok, I need to google before askeing, a glock is a gun, and apparently a fairly large one. No thank you, I'd rather take preventive steps and avoid potentially hazardous situations in the first place.

No help on "roofie colada", except that it seems to be a reference to a Family Guy term.

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Thanks. I'm not up on the slang you young 'un's use all the time.

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What are a "roofie colada" and a "glock"?
And Glock (click it for Wiki) is a handgun manufacturer whose pistols are known for simplicity, durability, and extremely simple point-and-shoot operation without the interference of a manual safety or other distracting levers and buttons. They're often used by police departments because of these factors.

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Old 06-26-2006, 08:19 AM   #37 (permalink)
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When I was a little girl I wanted to grow up and be Wonder Woman. That would be a pretty decent anti rape device right there.
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Old 06-27-2006, 04:48 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Not only people in 3rd World Countries would use these. I dated a girl for a year and a half, when she got raped on her way to work. Before this she had not so much as mentioned to me that she had also been raped twice before in the past, before she and I dated. I figure anyone who has had this happen to them twice before would wear one of these, and that the third time she would have wrecked the guy with one of these. It would not have been unheard of for her to wear one.
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When I was a little girl I wanted to grow up and be Wonder Woman. That would be a pretty decent anti rape device right there.
I like you more and more with every post. I wanted to be Mary Marvel.

Mr. Self Destruct: Thanks for the info. I'd already googled and gotten it, and all I'd really need to know was that it was a gun. I'm not going to be carrying a gun for any reason, but thank you for the infor and the link.

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Old 06-27-2006, 07:56 PM   #40 (permalink)
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So this device is to protect a woman against someone who is willing to forcibly rape them, and who starts to do so. Of course the person then has to run away after realizing that he has this thing stuck in his penis rather than retaliate against the woman whom he is still in a dominate position over.

The way I understand the phrase 'empowering women against rape' implies, to me, that a woman is able to prevent the rape from progressing to the point where she is on her back, legs spread with a guy starting to fuck her. That doesn't seem very empowering at all to me.


Why don't women empower themselves with a gun instead. No rape, just a dead would be rapist...


Also, have you ever started to get busy with a woman who forgets to take out her tampon? I can only imagine the hilarity when a girl gets liquored up with her boy friend and forgets she has that thing in her....
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