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Old 03-26-2008, 04:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Somebody Get This Kid A Set of Brass Knuckles

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We can argue 'til the day is long about why this kid is being picked on, but it has been my experience that the only way to stop this madness is with one good shot to the jaw, followed by another, and another.

While violence may beget violence, but sooner or later you gotta learn how to stand up for yourself.
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Old 03-26-2008, 05:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I stood up for myself when I was being bullied. All it amounted to was more bullying.
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Old 03-26-2008, 05:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I stood up for myself when I was being bullied. All it amounted to was more bullying.
GREAT big ditto.

The only thing that saved me from being bullied was when I started creating myself in areas that were un-bullyable. I started my school's first garage band and started performing. Nobody beats up a lead guitarist.
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Old 03-26-2008, 05:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Nobody beats up a lead guitarist.
Tell that to Sum 41.
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Old 03-26-2008, 05:48 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I was verbally bullied from 7th thru 11th grade. I was called "Piranha" because of my crooked teeth, "Tarantula" and "Daddy Long Legs" because of my long skinny legs, "Pizza Face" along with other horrid remarks took up an entire page in my 9th grade yearbook. I was threatened time and again to get beat up, was purposely tripped and fell face first into a snow bank during an 8th grade excursion, much to the delight of those around me. Girls would write fake love notes from guys in my class then get in my face about the "joke".

My son began enduring the same crap starting in 4th grade. Like me, he was tall and wore glasses; unlike me he was years smarter than his age, a teacher's favorite. By 5th grade, he snapped, beating one of his tormentors over the head during lunch with his full lunch bag. The principal was near tears talking with me, afraid my son would end up like "Those boys in Columbine". In sixth grade, two boys, one of them the bully my son hit a year ago, jumped him on the way home from school, kicking and beating him.
I confronted both kids and their parents, then called the school. They were given in-school suspensions. When one bragged about his actions that got him there, he got the shock of his life-everyone told him he was a total asshole. One kid, who in his own right was considered a bully and had his moments with my son early on, told him if he ever laid a hand on Daniel again, he would personally kick his ass. The mother of one of the sons promised her kid would never hang with the other again. She lied.

I am tears writing this. No kid deserves this. In meeting the parents of these kids, though, I can see where they get the idea that bullying is the way to go. The fathers are bullies themselves, the mothers are wimpy or think their kid is the reason the sun rises.

Schools proclaim "zero tolerance" then make excuses like those in the article-"He deserved it". No, he didn't.

All I could do while my son went through it all was be his advocate and tell him that some day, those same kids will be pumping gas into his Mercedes or serving him burgers and fries. I used that line trying to console other kids who'd been tormented during my days as an aide. At least it got them to smile.
How pitiful that there are only a few bullies and so many wonderful kids, but it's the bullies tearing them down instead of vice versa.
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Old 03-26-2008, 06:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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GREAT big ditto.

The only thing that saved me from being bullied was when I started creating myself in areas that were un-bullyable. I started my school's first garage band and started performing. Nobody beats up a lead guitarist.
The thing that saved me from daily beatings was technology. I got a watch for Christmas. This simple tool allowed me to leave school grounds at lunch and hide out at the nearby Scarborough Campus of the University of Toronto. Having a watch let me know when school as about to go back in. I could make it back just in time to get in the lineup to go back inside.

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Schools proclaim "zero tolerance" then make excuses like those in the article-"He deserved it". No, he didn't.
Zero tolerence programs don't do shit either. All they do is make the bully someone else's problem by suspending him/her.
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Old 03-26-2008, 06:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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At one point in time in my life I was bullied in school. I was sent to the principal's office for not fighting back where the principal showed me how to make a fist and punch his open palms.

At another point, some kid said I was sitting in his seat and opened his salami sandwich exposing the mustard threatening to smoosh it into my face. "Do you want this in your face?" I immediately pushed it into his face as my response.

More often than not I will just remove myself from the location. No fight ever starts without my consent. Me remaining within arms length of the individual is enough consent for them to start throwing punches.

I may not be violent, I will defend myself.

I will not let some girl kick the shit out of me just because I don't hit girls. They get a warning and at the start of the third punch, I will block and throw mine.
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Old 03-26-2008, 07:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Gee, I sure missed out on a lot of 'socialization' by being home schooled

/never been bullied
//never been punched
///not missing anything
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Old 03-26-2008, 07:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
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people tried to bully me, for whatever reason. i think people with the bully mentality are mentally handicapped though, i mean seriously who picks on someone my size? half of them wound up stuffed in a locker with the door being slammed on thier head, the other half just got body slammed.

Coming up behind me, trying to trip me and calling me a fatass (hey yeah I had some pounds, so what? it's my problem) and "andre" (as in andre the giant, cuz I had my whiteman-fro and I was 6'6" by the time I was 15.

Hell if you wanna wrestle, then keep it up

Your parents aren't knocking some sense in to you, so I will, violence is healthy, it's when you start breaking bones or killing people that you're over the line.
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Old 03-26-2008, 07:37 PM   #10 (permalink)
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For me, I used to get bullied because I was so tall and lanky, wore glasses and was considered a nerdy geek. Then one day, I realised I was much bigger than the kids stupid enough to pick fights with me for simply being different and .. I kicked the living shit out of each and every one of them. Bullying, for me, took on a whole new meaning and I began hunting bullies everywhere to make a stand for other nerdy geeks. Needless to say, I became a nerdy geek hero.
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Old 03-26-2008, 11:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I used to get bullied as a kid. I was blonde, fat, and at the age of 10 had a full blown case of acne that 3 doctors and 2 dermatologists couldn't cure. Easy target.

Beating on the bullies did bring on more bullying. One day in class they realized I had a high aptitude towards science and chemistry and a real knack to make Fire. This brought me the respect from these bullies, else, I warned I would put use these talents on their dogs, sisters, brothers, their whole fuckin family if they so much as said my name again. In high school I had no more problems but did throw a few kids I saw bullying other kids.
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Old 03-27-2008, 01:38 AM   #12 (permalink)
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ive always been skinny as hell, and i was never once bullied. i went to possibly the worst highschool in the county and probably one of the worst in the state.

then again i was always chilled out, never aggressive, and pretty much friends with all the kids of all different groups. my punker ass would be seen with the weed dealing thugs one day, and the pseudo-goths the other.

now getting in a fist fight at school, totally different thing.
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Old 03-27-2008, 02:34 AM   #13 (permalink)
 
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Weird... physical bullying is something that I just never witnessed or experienced, in all my years in school. Not in the playground, not in the halls, not off-campus... I just didn't see it, nor hear about it. I don't know if I was blind, or it was the area where I was going to school, or a combination of both... but as far as I could tell, bullying was just not a huge problem. Verbal bullying is something else, and I did hear that a lot, but I don't place that in the same category.

The first real fight I saw was when I was teaching high school... and it was over pretty damn quick, thanks to some intervening staff. That was it.
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Old 03-27-2008, 04:04 AM   #14 (permalink)
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All throughout elementary, part of middle school, and half of high school I was targeted by bullies because of my large size and my easy-going nature (making me seem like an easy target). We're talking about full-blown brawls.

At first I tried to tell the teachers or the playground duties, but ultimately it never amounted to anything, except for once when the principal gave the assailants extra math homework (she asked what punishment I wanted for them. I really wish I had stuck with that school). So I started fighting back, and showing them I was not about to stand still and be their punching bag.

After one particularly brutal fight I realized I needed to take self-defense classes-but not to learn more about self-defense, to control myself. I became dangerous because I was so completely enraged at the teachers who did nothing and the bullies that kept coming. After some serious studying I learned ways to stop them but not hurt them.

I learned the hard way that kids can be amazingly cruel and heartless, and oftentimes for the stupidest of reasons.
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:14 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I was bullied a lot all through elementary. Then I went to junior high and, I'm not really sure what happened, the bullying just kinda stopped. The same kids that were beating me up at the end of elementary were asking if I wanted to hang out in junior high, and the only thing that had changed during that summer was the pot smoking habit I picked up. Maybe that had something to do with it. I don't know.
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:29 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I was called "Piranha" because of my crooked teeth, "Tarantula" and "Daddy Long Legs" because of my long skinny legs, "Pizza Face" along with other horrid remarks took up an entire page in my 9th grade yearbook.
Well I think you're pretty.

I only needed to stand up for myself once, and I made it brutal (a la Ender's Game). A kid had been treating me like shit for a long time and I finally decided that it was enough. Once you've demonstrated that you can easily break someone's nose, they will either come back with friends or leave you alone. When you dispatch with his friends, no one ever bullies you again.

Billy, go take self defense. Be proactive. It's clear your school is incapable of protecting you and your parents are helpless. You need to do this for yourself. Be empowered. Go beat their asses and then get back to learning and living your life. Don't let them ruin your childhood.
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Old 03-27-2008, 04:49 PM   #17 (permalink)
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There was a time in highschool when I was jumped several times a week for two months. Not sure if that counts, but I see it as bullying.

What I learned is that there's a specific reason a bully will bully someone. Whether it be for power, over an incident, anything, they want something from you. This means you can either give it to them, or stand up for yourself. That's really what it boils down to.
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Old 03-27-2008, 05:44 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Once you've demonstrated that you can easily break someone's nose, they will either come back with friends or leave you alone. When you dispatch with his friends, no one ever bullies you again.
This was my problem. My bully came back with friends. It was always three on one. Whenever it was one on one I could hold my own.
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Old 03-27-2008, 05:50 PM   #19 (permalink)
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This was my problem. My bully came back with friends. It was always three on one. Whenever it was one on one I could hold my own.
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Old 03-27-2008, 05:54 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I chose to evade. Hence the watch.
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Old 03-27-2008, 05:54 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Interesting that no bullies have responded....wonder where they're at? Jail, maybe?
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Old 03-27-2008, 05:56 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Interesting that no bullies have responded....wonder where they're at? Jail, maybe?
Do bullies perceive themselves as bullies?
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Old 03-27-2008, 05:58 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Do bullies perceive themselves as bullies?
Bingo.
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Old 03-27-2008, 06:06 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I avoided being bullied by having my family move to a small town where most of the people assumed that my being from a city meant that I was running drugs for some sort of archetypal street gang. Unfortunately, you have to move to a town where people assume that all city folk are running drugs for some sort of archetypal street gang.

There is something to be said for beating the lead bully to death in the school showers as a means of deterring further bullying.
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Old 03-27-2008, 06:32 PM   #25 (permalink)
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There is something to be said for beating the lead bully to death in the school showers as a means of deterring further bullying.
I think you're getting 'school' confused with 'prison.' I'm told it's a common mistake.

I was never really a target for bullies, despite being fairly geeky as a kid. Then again, my older step-brothers were both pretty much the height of cool, so maybe I was protected by association. As to how to solve the problem, I leave that for greater minds than my own.
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Old 03-27-2008, 06:39 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Martian... association with your step-brothers probably saved you from a lot of aggravation. I have a very good friend who was bullied once. All it took was for his older brother to show up on the scene for it to stop and never happen again.
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Old 03-27-2008, 06:39 PM   #27 (permalink)
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For me, I used to get bullied because I was so tall and lanky, wore glasses and was considered a nerdy geek. Then one day, I realised I was much bigger than the kids stupid enough to pick fights with me for simply being different and .. I kicked the living shit out of each and every one of them. Bullying, for me, took on a whole new meaning and I began hunting bullies everywhere to make a stand for other nerdy geeks. Needless to say, I became a nerdy geek hero.
Ah! Same for me but at what point are you a hero and at which other are you a bully? I'm sure the mothers of the kids I beat up would call me a bully and not a hero. But then again, they always did insult me before I beat them up and/or beat up other kids. So I guess we where both bullies.

I think violence is normal amongst young boys, as they need to test themselves and others, and its not too bad as long as it doesn't get out of hand. You learn to defend yourself or outsmart the other guy. It's not necessarily a good thing but I don't think it can be avoided it can only be controlled so it doesn't get out of hand.
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I was bullied mercilessly for a couple of years until i decided i was done taking it. There was a group of people that used to bully me, I hated them. One summer I had finally had enough. We were at the town pond swimming and a kid came up to me a pushed me down, laughed at me, called me some names and started to walk away. Instead of burying the rage I exploded. I ran at him, tackled him into the water and started to drown him. It took two lifeguards and two other parents to pull me off of him. After they got the water out of his lungs and decided that he was going to be okay, i was banned from the beach for the summer. From that point forward I decided that I wasn't going to tolerate anything anymore.

When school started again, word had gotten around to the group about what I had done and the first day of school I got cornered by one of the biggest kids at school. He was easily a foot taller than me, but i wasn't going to run scared. I decided that as much as it might hurt I was going to stand and fight rather than run. He pushed me and I pushed back and then he hit me real hard with a roundhouse to the face. Everything moved in slow motion at that point. I swung my scrawny little arm as hard and as fast as I could at him catching him in the jaw and knocking him flat out. I got the hell out of there as fast as I could thinking for sure I was a dead man. What I didn't realize was that my single act of standing up for myself, despite the terror and the pain of the punch in the face, ended the bullying completely. The following year we moved and it started all over again at a new school.

With my new found resolve and knowing i could take a punch I was much less scared than before and was able to end it quickly, but i still had to fight, which I hated, but it was necessary. The incident at the new school was much shorter as I didn't wait for him to hit me first, he pushed me and I broke his nose, end of bullying.

Admittedly, it could have gotten worse after both incidents, but I think given the size difference between me and the bullies in both cases and the lack of fear I showed gave me some credibility and oddly some respect from them. At the new school the group of bullies actually started watching out for me, or left me alone entirely. Kind of amusing in retrospect.

The bottom line is if they don't see you as a threat, if they know you won't fight back, you will always be a target. My parents wanted to call the schools in both cases, they wanted the names of the kids, but i knew that would make things worse, so I kept quiet and dealt with it my own way eventually.
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Martian... association with your step-brothers probably saved you from a lot of aggravation. I have a very good friend who was bullied once. All it took was for his older brother to show up on the scene for it to stop and never happen again.
Ch'i always towered over his classmates (in grade school at least). Had he ever needed me, I would have been there, but he was more than capable of taking care of himself.
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Old 03-27-2008, 07:22 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Martian... association with your step-brothers probably saved you from a lot of aggravation. I have a very good friend who was bullied once. All it took was for his older brother to show up on the scene for it to stop and never happen again.
The funny thing is, they had all the same geeky traits I did. We all got good grades, we were all into fantasy novels and video games and such. To this day I'm not sure what separated them from me, although to be honest I haven't really given it much thought.
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