Expanding Criminal DNA Database = Infringement on Privacy? - Page 2 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Hain · 05-13-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by willravel

The question is where to draw the line. If you're innocent, why can't the police search your house whenever they want? Why can't they break into your car? Why can't the listen to your phone calls and listen to your emails?

The answer is that this is unwarranted, literally. Privacy is a right. Privacy is a part of freedom.

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Originally Posted by dksuddeth

this sounds like the old adage 'if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear'. This is 180 degrees different than what rights, liberty, and freedom is about. as will has said, it is unwarranted. Not only is it unwarranted, but it violates YOUR right to privacy, no matter how small the intrusion.

I just admitted that more specific criteria had to be drafted. Why pick apart such a blatantly general statement?

Willravel · 05-13-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Augi

I just admitted that more specific criteria had to be drafted. Why pick apart such a blatantly general statement?

I was making a general statement, not disagreeing.

dksuddeth · 05-13-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JinnKai

If I were to be more explicit (since this "felon" argument is so pedantic), I support mandatory DNA submission when someone has been convicted of the felony version of any of the below:

aggravated assault and/or battery
arson
burglary
illegal drug sales (intent to distribute)
embezzlement
grand theft
treason
espionage
racketeering
robbery
murder
rape / sexual assault
sodomy
kidnapping
fraud

All of them demonstrate a disregard for person or property, and all of them indicate that any prosecuting you for future crimes you commit will be assisted by DNA evidence.

If the conviction is overturned on appeal or in light of new evidence, you have the right to request that your DNA be removed from the database.

this is something I could get behind...however, why are we letting these people, who have committed these horrible crimes, out of prison in the first place?

Jinn · 05-13-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dksuddeth

this is something I could get behind...however, why are we letting these people, who have committed these horrible crimes, out of prison in the first place?

That's an excellent question. I wish I knew. Knowing that 20% of the people are committing 80% of the crime, I don't know why the fuck we let them out. I can agree with you completely on that one.

Willravel · 05-13-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dksuddeth

this is something I could get behind...however, why are we letting these people, who have committed these horrible crimes, out of prison in the first place?

I would assume that they pay their debt to society in prison, where they are reformed (which is why people like you and I should be working hard on prison reform, to ensure there is reformation), but the DNA is in the system for life or until they are exonerated.

Ustwo · 05-13-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by willravel

I would assume that they pay their debt to society in prison, where they are reformed (which is why people like you and I should be working hard on prison reform, to ensure there is reformation), but the DNA is in the system for life or until they are exonerated.

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