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Old 04-10-2009, 10:48 AM   #41 (permalink)
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... it's 2009 and we're still worried about being the first to bust a hymen in the name of the almighty.

Somebody drop the bomb already.
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Old 04-10-2009, 11:42 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Sure it could be. Middle class person lies and says they're wealthy during their relationship with another wealthy person. Thinking they're in love, and that there is no money motivation since the other person says they're wealthy, the actually wealthy person does not demand a prenuptial agreement. They get married, "whoops! I lied, I'm actually not rich at all." Down the line they get divorced and the middle class person gets a good chunk of the money.
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Your "could be" plot is not about annulment but divorce, and of course ANYBODY can get divorced over whatever grounds, but in divorce proceedings one must demonstrate irreconcilable differences and generally over multiple grounds "recognized" by society. France (and this side of the ocean) don't have virginity as a cultural essential!

Annulment is an entirely different legal situation and is generally even more difficult to be granted.
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Old 04-10-2009, 11:59 AM   #43 (permalink)
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My hypothetical is under the premise that annulment is not an option, which is what you're asserting. The point being that annulment should be an option if the wealthy person discovers the other person lied about their financial status. In the example I gave, the wealthy person would lose a decent chunk of money because he was not able to annul the marriage due to the other person's fraud.

If a man marries a woman who is not a virgin and he knows that she is not, or didn't bother to ask, then that's no justification for an annulment. If someone misrepresents themself to their spouse in order to secure the marriage, and is then caught, that should most certainly be grounds for annulment.
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Old 04-10-2009, 12:04 PM   #44 (permalink)
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really? then that would mean that religious freedoms would be happening to everyone.

or is it just the negative things that happen?
"everyone", nothing ever happens to "everyone", there are no such thing as absolutes in life, only statistics, and trends. Do you not live on the same planet as me, are you not aware that atheism is on the rise in most places on the planet, but more specifically in the Western world. Religious freedom is an oxymoron, religion is never freedom. The countries where religiosity is on the increase are countries in despair, peoples with so little hope and access to knowledge that they're willing to place hope on any ridiculous idea.

Where do you think the show Big Brother and most other Reality TV shows are based, in France and Europe, entire North American civilization is a result or earlier "globalization". Wine is from France, the English language is a result of the mixing of French and Latin with Germanic languages. Modern democracy is from France, modern human rights are from France.

We do not live in little solitary little bubbles, any decent human being will work for the happiness of our fellow humans, which means getting our hands dirty and fighting humans who only have hatred and greed/control ruling their lives.

France has always been a country with an impact on the world scene, as are the USA, and England, China and India, and a few others, for better and for worse, globalization is with us, it is up to us to determine how we let it impact our lives
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Old 04-10-2009, 09:32 PM   #45 (permalink)
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... it's 2009 and we're still worried about being the first to bust a hymen in the name of the almighty.

Somebody drop the bomb already.
I would say that relationships with the first person you have been with are a little more stable than being partner #52.

Maybe it is different if both partners have had 50 other people before, but I don't know.
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Old 04-11-2009, 07:22 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I would say that relationships with the first person you have been with are a little more stable than being partner #52.

Maybe it is different if both partners have had 50 other people before, but I don't know.
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It's the opposite, according to statistics published by religious organizations in the past decade, divorce is highest amongst those married youngest and with the least experience.

The crux of the matter is that in this modern world there is temptation everywhere, and it can't be hidden, so someone with little experience will always wonder if they made a mistake and whether the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Someone with experience as seen things, and when they finally decide to marry, it's with a full understanding of the "singles life" they leave behind.

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Old 04-11-2009, 07:37 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Actually...
It's the opposite, according to statistics published by religious organizations in the past decade, divorce is highest amongst those married youngest and with the least experience.

The crux of the matter is that in this modern world there is temptation everywhere, and it can't be hidden, so someone with little experience will always wonder if they made a mistake and whether the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Someone with experience as seen things, and when they finally decide to marry, it's with a full understanding of the "singles life" they leave behind.

Chastity is for nuns! Protected sex is good thing, and more of it is even better.
yeah, that's good correlation to explain the causation.
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