02-16-2009, 08:06 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
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Octuplets
Seems as though every time I speak with a friend back home in California, they mention the woman who recently gave birth to octuplets. After searching and not finding a thread here about it on the TFP, I decided to start one. Here's an article from the New York Times as background for discussion.
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Some Questions for Discussion When you first heard about the octuplets, what was your gut reaction? Has your opinion changed as you read more news on the matter? Do you think the family is receiving too much publicity, or not enough? How much does a story like this interest you? Would you want to follow these children's upbringing in a TV show similar to Kate & Nate Plus Eight (or whatever that show is called)? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My responses: When you first heard about the octuplets, what was your gut reaction? My first thought was: Wow, that must be a world record. I wonder how brain-damaged those children will be from lack of nutrients in the womb. Has your opinion changed as you read more news on the matter? I'm still concerned for the well-being of these children. I would like to see all of this woman's children stripped from her care and dispersed among parents who won't try to make money off of them. Do you think the family is receiving too much publicity, or not enough? Far too much news coverage, but I'm reading it, so I guess the news outlets are reaching their desired audience. How much does a story like this interest you? Would you want to follow these children's upbringing in a TV show similar to Kate & Nate Plus Eight?(or wahtever that show is called) This story interests me in the sense that I'm horrified by the concept of it. I would not want to follow their upbringing. I'm not too keen on shows like this, but I have friends and family who love family-based programming who adore that show and would like to see the octuplets in a TV show.
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02-16-2009, 08:18 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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Interesting bits about this instance
- she spent an estimated $100K for the IVF procedures just to get those babies, which came from roughly $165K in disability payments from an on the job back injury in 2006 - She owes $50K in student loans - obviously cannot support these children adeqautely - Three of her previous 6 children are handicapped People like the Duggars are an excellent example of fiscal and financial responsibility - they have are raising 18 children all birthed naturally and along the way have achieved a debt free life after struggling and paid for everything with their money. This woman reminds of the Jon & Kate Gosling situation, I cannot watch that show where they are living a life that they could not afford in any way at all without TLC making them reality show stars for no better reason than havong 8 kids. My initial reaction was overwhelmingly negative and has not changed. The only positive note is that all 8 children are healthy so far Not following any indepth coverage, just read 2 or 3 news articles
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02-16-2009, 08:23 AM | #3 (permalink) | |
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Jolie irked by octomum who underwent surgery to look like her .:. NewKerala - India 's Top Online Newspaper
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02-16-2009, 09:29 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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Mr. Duggar declared their 7000 sq.ft. home a church, therefore they pay no property taxes like the rest of us.
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02-16-2009, 11:23 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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I apparently do not have sufficient interest to watch enough, I missed that point. I mainly remembered how they said they were drowning in debt earlier in life, and they got out if it without TLC advertising "choose your wedding dress" (whatever the hell that is called) while sending them on a Renewal of vows/second honeymoon to Hawaii. Must be hard when your entire trip to an expensive island is paid for by someone else.
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02-20-2009, 11:05 AM | #6 (permalink) | |
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Speaking of the Duggars, someone interviewed them, asking what advice they'd give to the mother of the octuplets:
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02-20-2009, 11:52 AM | #7 (permalink) | ||
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Not happy about his situation at all.
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okay, i'm done, i just can't post here without getting utterly disgusted and pissed off.
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02-20-2009, 04:48 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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Her doctor should be disbarred and pronto, IMO. That's just irresponsible to do invitro with a woman that unable to afford & care for that many kids. Aren't doctors held to the "first do no harm" rule? Well, letting an unbalanced,kid-addictive, unresponsible person lke Suleman have those 8 on top of the many she already has is just wrong.
Even her own mother said she was disgusted with Octomom's secret "plans" and has not been supportive. She's just playing the "system" and hoping for lots of hand outs. It's really sad, especially for her first brood of six kids. Women weren't meant to have litters!! As a taxpayer, this makes me glad that I no longer live in California. And the more it's publicized the more bleeding hearts will help her out, no doubt. Protective services needs to be dropping in often and monitoring this, not the media, day by day.
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02-20-2009, 06:10 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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yet another example of American over-indulgence, wastefulness and greed? Or a natural medical miracle? You be the judge!
PS Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, if the media ignored this type of shit instead of making it into a circus it would be less likely to occur? just a thought
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02-20-2009, 06:11 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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The shesus and I were talking about this the other day when one of us said, "She shouldn't be allowed to have that many kids!" This turned the conversation into the practice of forced sterilization and should we - as a supposed free society - be in the business of dictating who can and can't have kids and how many kids a woman may have.
The conversation went in the direction as to who would determine who got to have children and who didn't, how many children the fortunate (or unfortunate depending on your point of view) were allowed to have, and what the consequences should be for having a child when you deemed unallowed. It was a very interesting conversation. My interest in this particular story goes little farther than our media's obsession with Nick-naming everything - Miracle on the Hudson, Octomom! - thus reducing our sociological consciousness to a monosyllabic utterance capable of capturing our opinion of such phenomena by the intonation of our utterance. Conversation is no longer necessary. The entire debate can be captured in the banter of the word in varying intonations. Octomom? Octomom! Octomom!! Octomom....(said while shaking head.)
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02-20-2009, 09:48 PM | #14 (permalink) | |
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what struck me from that Duggar interview when I read it this morning was "we've never had any public assistance....." They had fourteen kids before the new york media even expressed interest in them after seeing a picture in the paper. sounds like this woman should not have had the six kids in the first place.
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02-20-2009, 10:01 PM | #15 (permalink) | |
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02-21-2009, 05:48 AM | #16 (permalink) | |
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I'm really not sure what to make of a daughter who allows her mother's home to go into foreclosure while that daughter is in the market for a $1.2 million home. I know they're just working the system and mother will likely live with daughter, but dang... that just sits wrong.
If she is to remain in California, a home large enough to fit 14 children, even if they're sharing 4 to a bedroom, it will be a hell of an expense. $1.2 million begins to sound frugal when you're looking at homes that large. If it weren't for California's assistance programs, their family's extreme expenses would likely push them out of the state. Here's an article in the UK Telegraph that mentions the older siblings of the octuplets and their disabilities. Only one disability is listed, stating that it has been reported that one has autism. Quote:
What frustrates me is the lack of sound judgement that comes along with birthing more children when you already have one with autism and another with an extreme enough case of ADHD to receive disability assistance. Those two conditions are a HANDFUL, just on their own - why add more to the mix?
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02-21-2009, 02:35 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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When you first heard about the octuplets, what was your gut reaction?
At first I heard a Stephen Colbert joke about it, and later a friend compared the Kate and Nate Plus Eight show to the film, The Truman Show with Jim Carrey. And until yesterday at a magazine rack, a guy said that a coworker of his used to know "The Octoplet Lady" (Bellflower is a short drive from here). Not that I was listening to all three, since I didn't care at the time. Has your opinion changed as you read more news on the matter? Ok, I'm starting to become a little interested. It seems like she didn't want to abort any of the eight embryos, and it does seem like she has enough children as it is. The only times people have had that many kids are to use as farm hands Do you think the family is receiving too much publicity, or not enough? I perfer this kind of news over the latest car chase or murder story (anyone hear about the double homicide by an 8-year old with a .22 rifle? No? Good). And after the Santa Masacre on Christmas Eve last year, my roommate thinks anyone can go crazy and start setting houses on fire while killing everyone inside and burning the presents too. How much does a story like this interest you? Oh, there are tons of jokes I can make from this :-D Would you want to follow these children's upbringing in a TV show similar to Kate & Nate Plus Eight (or whatever that show is called)? Nope.
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02-21-2009, 05:58 PM | #18 (permalink) |
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The father is the taxpayers of California. I'm so proud to be raising these fine young children!
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02-21-2009, 09:32 PM | #19 (permalink) |
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I can't stand Jon and Kate plus 8. Hour after hour of watching little miss borderline personality disorder emotionally abuse her family. While not on camera, they go around to churches begging for "love offerings" (why yes, I would like to give money to a family with their own TV show!)
The Duggars? Take a look into the quiverfull movement ... it's a grand plan to combat race dilution by raising an army of white Christian soldiers. This one? She claims she wanted more kids because she was an only child. I don't get into the business of diagnosing people based on news items, but something is fucked in her head. |
02-21-2009, 09:34 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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The fortunate irony is those kids tend to turn out the worst miscreants.
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The Duggars creep me the fuck out. Octomom...well...I'm reminded of that episode of The Office where we learn that Michael Scott was on a television show as a kid and he tells the host that when he grows up he's going to have lots and lots of kids so they can't say "No" when he asks to be their friend.
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02-21-2009, 11:53 PM | #22 (permalink) |
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One of my kids turns the telly to Jon and Kate occasionally. I can't stand even listening to control freak Kate. I guess you have to be somewhat of a control freak to keep 8 kids under wraps. But it puts me in an off mood when I hear her henpeck Jon. And interrupt Jon. And correct Jon, sometimes before he even finishes his sentence. Good gawd woman, shut the hell up already! (always wanted to say that).
Octomom: Don't know where to begin. Do know that it ends with 'selfish' and 'parasite' and 'nuts' though.
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02-26-2009, 07:24 AM | #23 (permalink) | |
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I also thought this was an interesting disclaimer "Warning, you may be disgusted by this story."
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02-26-2009, 07:38 AM | #24 (permalink) |
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Fascinating. I thought the porn industry had taken a substantial hit recently. Didn't think Vivid would be able to offer such contracts. I don't know how to take this news article as anything other than a joke. It does make me laugh.
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02-27-2009, 05:39 AM | #25 (permalink) |
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Octomom admits mistake to Dr. Phil
this is an interesting revelation, at the same time it just worsens it for me. The more she talks the more I see that she's not really all there.
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02-27-2009, 06:17 AM | #27 (permalink) |
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c'mon, doc should be hearing the cash register dinging
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02-27-2009, 10:31 AM | #34 (permalink) |
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The facination with this loser epitomizes the lack of depth regarding any kind of logical thought. Who the fuck cares.
But more interesting is the ultimate hypocrisy put forth through the scorn this idiot has endured. Jon and Kate plus 8 is celebrated. Why? Because there is a father figure present? What about the tv show where the family has 18 kids? Not irresponsible at all? Why? Because they built a stupid fucking house and everyone chipped in? Big deal. And the media attention from Dr.Phil to the Big 3 networks. Total lack of class and unproffessional sensationalism. Has America sunk so low that we need to be entertained by something so blithely fucking stupid and irrelavent? Are we so fucking abismally shallow that we acknowledge some losers every words so that we can escape our own shitty miserable lives? Makes me wonder why people focus on this nonsense rather than themselves. Must be all out boredom. Why else would anyone waste a second regarding someone elses life who they will never know. |
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As for the vacations Jon and Kate get, let's not forget Little People, Big World, that fuckin family went on an RV trip from Oregon to California, with some massive RV so little dad could show 'he could handle it', yet almost ran people off the road on the freeway, put little mom and daughter up at some fancy spa while there, then took a vacation to the Bahamas, rented a boat with captain and cook while they were there, then did a stupid huge remodel to their 'farmhouse', which took longer than expected because little dad finally realized he was on TLC and only runs a fuckin pumpkin farm and sells some hotels on little people proofing their rooms, and isn't actually a 'celebrity' like he thinks he is. Then has normal sized twin get busted for being a racist and a homophobe on his myspace page, yet they still talk about how they teach their kids to be tolerant of other cultures, and different people, hope they don't get offended when people call them midgets, they can blame tall twin for that one. Oh yeah and midget dad gets nabbed for DUI(for a second time) and he says the breathalyzer is biased against little people, now how can that be?
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Personally I wouldn't even have to think about this for a second, it would be a big NO WAY. But, if two days after the offer, someone else offered me $1 million to not do it, that's the kind of decision that I want, HAH!! |
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02-28-2009, 01:27 PM | #39 (permalink) |
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You know, in this economy, that doesn't sound as absurd as it should. Is it weird that I just said that, or...?
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