Dk, the point is not that people shouldn't have guns because accidents might happen. The point is that everyone having guns will not prevent these shooting sprees from happening. In all likelihood gun control won't either. But the scenario where someone stands up and kills the shooter is as likely as the scenario where someone stands up and shoots the wrong person. Most people in these situations are killed by surprise early on, and the only way most are able to identify the shooter is by singling out who has a gun.

This doesn't mean people shouldnt have guns because they would make mistakes. It just means that the specific argument that guns would stop random acts of violence against random people isn't really effective.

By the way, Michael McLendon, the guy who went on the Alabama shooting spree, did engage in a shoot out with police. Charles Whitman engaged in a shoot out with the police. Martin Bryant also faced the police.

I could go on and on, and, again, I also think gun control wouldnt make a difference. Just that while there are many valid pro-gun arguments, "stopping shooting sprees" isn't one of them.

I knew I was making a mistake by approaching the gun side of things and apparently the active shooter report I posted made little headway.

speaking of charles whitman, do you know why his body count wasn't higher than it was?

and the theory that an active shooter could never be stopped by one of the intended victims is just not reality. yes, while SOME active shooters will actively seek out the shootout with police, the report I posted shows that 90% would take the suicide route when confronted with lethal force.

anyways, like i said it was a mistake to approach the gun route in this thread.

Who said anything about "never being stopped?" Just that a scenario where it escalates into something worse because of mistaken identity is as likely as a scenario where he is contained early on.

Again, there are many valid pro gun arguments. Personally, I think the personal liberty one is the most convincing one.