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Old 04-21-2003, 03:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What would you do?

What would you do?

ok read this article and tell me what you think


http://cms.firehouse.com/content/art...1&sectionId=46


What kind of crap is that .?!?!?!?! i saw it on my local news....i would've done the same thing...the vid show them doing nothing to save the dog...i would have been like "fuck you! i 'm saving my baby!"

i watched the today show video..the guy that saved his dog said he actually had officials telling him that "dogs die everyday" and "you can always get a new dog" WTF!!!!! the good news is he has hired lawyers
Would you save your pet even if you could get hurt or arrested?
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Old 04-21-2003, 04:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Cities are sued all the time by people claiming they were too stupid to be trusted -- had anything gone wrong, the police might have been sued for negligence, as stupid as it seems

I'm married to a lawyer. No matter what, everybody seems to be looking out for number one, no matter the outcome. It's no wonder that cities try to protect themselves

But I admit that this case has REALLY bad PR written all over it
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Old 04-21-2003, 04:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I would do anything to save the life of my dog... He's not just a dog to me... he's my son.
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Old 04-21-2003, 04:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'd save my pet. I'd rather get arrested than lose a friend.
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Old 04-21-2003, 04:14 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I think World's king put it about right. Many (most) people are very attached to their animals and to some they are their only family. Personally I do not think its right to arrest him only because I do not think its right to protect people from themselves. That said I do not think its right for a city to get sued had he went back in and died/got injured which very well may have happened.
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Old 04-21-2003, 04:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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i'd easily risk jail time and injury for a pet. i'd happily risk my _life_ if it were not a hopeless case.

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Old 04-21-2003, 05:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Originally posted by meembo
Cities are sued all the time by people claiming they were too stupid to be trusted -- had anything gone wrong, the police might have been sued for negligence, as stupid as it seems

But I admit that this case has REALLY bad PR written all over it
I agree with meembo, the city had to cover its ass. Still, I would probably run into the building to save my dog. My wife would kill me if I didn't. (I'd save him regardless of the threat of death from my wife).
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Old 04-21-2003, 05:33 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I'd run in to save the pets I have. I do wonder if they are really charging him for getting the dog though. According to the report I heard on the radio this morning, the guy had quite the rap sheet.
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Old 04-21-2003, 05:37 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I have mixed feelings on this one.

The guy should have listened to the fire dept. but on the other hand the fire dept. should have also done what they could have to save the animals.
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Old 04-21-2003, 05:40 PM   #10 (permalink)
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They weren't just protecting him from himself, a backdraft could have killed many. He clearly could have endagered people and in scaling the wall he knew he was disobeying the authorities....BUT, the chance to save his dog would have easily been worth the arrest. A VERY small price to pay for the dog's life.

Still, I hope it doesn't go on his record.
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Old 04-21-2003, 05:41 PM   #11 (permalink)
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BBtB, they weren't just protecting him from himself, a backdraft could have killed many. He clearly could have endagered people and in scaling the wall he knew he was disobeying the authorities....BUT, the chance to save his dog would have easily been worth the arrest. A VERY small price to pay for the dog's life.

Still, I hope it doesn't go on his record.
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Old 04-21-2003, 05:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I would save my dog. He means so much to my family and I. I would also save my cats. It would completely be worth the consequence.
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Old 04-21-2003, 06:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
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As crazy as this would sound, I would do the same thing to save my guitars. My guitars are like my pets and are my livelihood.
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Old 04-21-2003, 06:49 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I'd save my dog. After I save my dog, I'd have him attack those city officials. They would have deserved it.
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Old 04-21-2003, 06:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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He was cited for reckless endangerment!!! I thought that reckless endangerment is given to people who endanger others. Let him endanger his own life is he wants to.
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Old 04-21-2003, 07:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I'd save my dog. After I save my dog, I'd have him attack those city officials. They would have deserved it.
And then it would be totally pointless since the dog would be put down.


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Old 04-21-2003, 07:40 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Old 04-21-2003, 08:38 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I would definately save the dog...the city is crazy for pressing this. They are getting a lot of negative coverage from it.
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Old 04-22-2003, 06:56 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Being a pet owner myself i can see why he did it. Also being a full time firefighter i can see WHY they told him not to do it. It was a dangerous move on his part and could have killed firefighters or himself. A human life is always worth more than an animals. Now the question...would i have done it? If I KNEW that I wouldnt have been putting firefighters at risk and only myself at risk then hell yes i would rescue my animals. Personally i hope they drop the charges.
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Old 04-22-2003, 10:59 AM   #20 (permalink)
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You shouldn't be crossing that tape that police put up. If something woulda happened to that dude I'd bet my ass on the fact the he woulda sued somebody. I hope he gets jail time for it. Besides, it's just a dog, they're replaceable and people aren't. I think it's kinda dumb to risk your life over an animal.
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Old 04-22-2003, 11:08 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I'd get my dog too cause I know he'd do the same for me. I'd wear the charges against me as a badge of honor towards my pet.
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Old 04-22-2003, 11:09 AM   #22 (permalink)
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In hindsight - I can see it more objectively and state that he probably was wrong in doing what he did.

However, as a dog owner, I know I would have done the same thing. It's just a good thing it all worked out OK in the end.
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Old 04-22-2003, 01:56 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Hmmm......That's a tough call........I love dogs...but I can also look at the reckless endangerment side of it too....I know a few firefighters and can honestly say every one I've ever met is brave as hell...If that guy got hurt or passed out or whatever,they would be forced to go back in to a burning and possibly ready to collapse building.They are bound by duty to go in and save people.By going in the building like that he put their lives at risk along with his is something happened to him.........Now I will say that if it was my dog in there I would probably want to do the same thing he did...
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Old 04-22-2003, 02:04 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I probabley would have done it myself, but you have to let the firemen do thier job.Breaking the sliding glass door vented the fire and could hare gotten any firemen inside hurt.
Besides who's to say the firemen wouldn't have rescued his dog anyway?
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Old 04-22-2003, 02:07 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I would rescue the dog if at all possible.

Sure, I may get fined/locked up/slapped by local authorities, but you know what? After I get back, my dog will still be there waggin his tail to greet me. And that is what's important; the dog is still alive, and didn't burn to death.
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Old 04-22-2003, 02:58 PM   #26 (permalink)
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He deserved it, if he got hit with something and passed out then a fireman would have had to go in for him.

He wasn't just endangering his life, he was potentially endangering the lives of others.

It was stupid and brave. Credit for the brave part, but that doesn't make the stupid go away.
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Old 04-22-2003, 03:12 PM   #27 (permalink)
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if i were him:
1. it is my right to risk my own life
2. if i endangered anyone else then it is their own damn fault for being that close

whether he's found guilty or not he should hire people to ambush the arresting cops and beat the crapola out of them

My dog was over $700 to buy, and 5 years ago we found out he is diabetic and have spent about $3000 to keep him in good health. That money doesn't even compare to how much the sentimental value is. If i had to choose between saving my dog, and saving a person i didn't know... sorry bucko but my dog is just more important.
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Old 04-22-2003, 03:21 PM   #28 (permalink)
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He could have endangered some of the fire fighters.
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Old 04-22-2003, 03:51 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Sadly, Mongo and WildZero nailed it.

If he doesn't come out, the firmen have to risk their lives to go back in and save him. Can you imagine the lawsuit if he doesn't come out and they knew he was in there and did nothing?

That said, I'm pretty sure I would have done the same thing. I've already spent a night in jail for a dog when I shot another dog that was part of a pack attacking mine. The cops take a dim view of firing shotguns in my city, but the judge was a dog lover and understood. I got off with a warning and time served as I suspect this guy will.
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Old 04-22-2003, 03:54 PM   #30 (permalink)
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He was wrong to take matters into his own hands and endanger the lives of others, breaking out that patio glass could have created a backdraft and endangered those who were risking their own safety. I'm sure none of that ever crossed his mind just as it wouldn't have crossed mine. I would have done the same thing I'm sure. If you love your pet, and most everyone does, its hard to imagine watching as it dies an agonizing death when you could possibly prevent it.
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Old 04-22-2003, 04:19 PM   #31 (permalink)
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This is just a result of a deeper problem. People need to start taking responsibility for their actions and not blaming others. Granted had this man died someone could have easily sued the city legally but it wouldn't have the city's fault - the man made that choice. On the other hand - The animal right groups are constantly hollaring that animals need to be treated like humans. Had that been a human child the firefighters could have broken the window to save the child themselves. I'm wondering if it was that easy for the man to save his dog without getting injured then why couldn't the firefighters possibly have done something more? I know there could have been a backdraft but there are other ways of checking for that possibility first or at least warning the other firefighters to skirt the dangerous area. I realize that the city was covering their back but I think it's cowardly to run scared from these pathetic lawsuits at the possible cost of this man's dog and perhaps the only family he had.
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Old 04-22-2003, 04:44 PM   #32 (permalink)
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What is this country coming too? We should have the right to recklessly endanger ourselves. He should have the right to risk his life for the dog, but he can't expect the firemen to come in to rescue him once he crosses the tape. The prosecuters need to be voted out of office in the next election if they think prosecuting (persecuting?) this guy is their highest priority.
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Old 04-22-2003, 04:55 PM   #33 (permalink)
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yep I saw that on the news.
totally save the dog.
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Old 04-25-2003, 07:00 AM   #34 (permalink)
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He was wrong, and certainly did endanger others lifes. As a former lifeguard, I understand that people hired with the specific task of rescuing other people are bound to put their life on the line when an incedent occurs.

If the man had not come out for any reason - firefighters would have HAD to go after him, thereby risking life and limb for this man.

It was a reckless act.

Even a $3,700 dog is not worth the same as a firefighters life to his wife and children. Other than the life of a fellow human, there is nothing worth this much.
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Old 04-25-2003, 07:11 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Is it not his own right to do whatever he wants?

If he wants to run into a building, risking his own life, to save his dog, then more power to him.

If people run in after him, that is their decision, and thus they are responsible for their own actions. Even if that means they die as a result.

Am I missing something?
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Old 04-25-2003, 10:26 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Your missing the fact that the fire fighters are paid/obligated to go in after him. It in not a voluntary desicion to go after a person out of the goodness of their heart.

If you or I was standing on the street watching a fire, and decided to go in after a person, it would be our choice/responsibility.

This man made it more difficult, and possibly more dangerous for those folks to do their job. He would have been responible for any injuries or death caused to firefighters by his actions.
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Old 04-25-2003, 11:19 AM   #37 (permalink)
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If it wasn't a lost hope, I'd also risk my *life* to rescue my dog. He's a 7 year old samoyed-chow mix. A big white fluffy dog who is the most loyal thing on this planet. A while ago I took him for a walk on a local trail, as we walked past a bend in the path, these two big german shepard mut dogs were charging right at us from about 100 yards away. My dog ran forward about 20' in front of me, got in his fight position and starting growling and barking. The two dogs that were running at us stopped a little short of him and turned around.

I don't know if those dogs would have attacked me or not, but I definitely have to give my dog some credit for putting his own skin on the line.
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Old 04-25-2003, 07:25 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Saw the interview with this guy. The prosecutors brought to light that this guy had priors for all sorts of different offenses. What that has to do with the fact that he wanted to save his dog, I will never know.

If he told the firefighters that his dog was stuck in the apartment, the least they could have done was gone onto the balcony and opened the door. I've heard of and seen firefighters do these things before. There was a case locally of a firefighter who rescued a bunch of kittens from a burning house.

Some people have these stickers on their windows like others have for children that say "In case of fire, please save the dog" (or cat). Should everyone who owns a pet be obligated to put these stickers on their windows to alert the authorities that a pet is on the property?
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