Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > Chatter > General Discussion


 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-30-2010, 11:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
Merlocke's Avatar
 
Location: Canada
Just curious - would you want to learn how money works? Should I build, or teach?

I'm deciding whether or not to pursue an old passion of mine. I retired at the age of 26, but due to the financial market and some bad decisions and bad timing, I came back to work. This however won't be a super long stint as the lessons learned en route to my first fortune are things that I can leverage on the way to my second. It's not a matter of "If" so much as "when"...

I thought that teaching others how to make money was truly the only way to become wealthy once again. I really believed that in serving others, you helped yourself. However the decision I'm trying to make is I know have acquired knowledge and started projects that do not require me to help others make money anymore. I can solo it - just a lone wolf and quietly quickly rebuild.

The thing that pains me is that I do miss showing others concepts that put the financially ahead of the game, but I now have 2 young children, and wanting to spend more time with family - I can't run as many projects anymore as I used to.

So it's a decision I've got to make now.

Do I

A) Make a fortune faster on my own (but sacrifice my enjoyment of teaching others)
B) Run all of the projects simultaneously (not sure if this is feasible, and if I run too many, I run the risk of failing everything simultaneously)
C) Continue teaching others and stalling my own goals to rebuild?

It's a selfish thought - I understand, but the thought crossed my mind that once I've rebuilt - it will be easier to go back to teaching afterwards with capital to spare, and more donations to charity after I reach my goals once again.

I suppose another option could be

D) Teach someone and get them to teach others, but I've tried this and it's difficult to train one person EVERYTHING. I'm not saying that I'm smarter - it took me a LONG time, and a lot of reading and research to earn the stripes and scars I've found out along the way. I just fail faster than most - so eventually finding the path is inevitable.

At this point I'm just rambling - but I've always gotten good feedback and advice from others here. Is it truly the better option to "put on your mask before assisting others" (airplane safety talk) or is it more enriching to build people along with you?

Please don't read into this as arrogance - that I know more than others so it's my "duty" to teach. It's just that someone took the time to teach me, and I feel like I'm not doing my part unless I repay the favor onwards. Being torn in two directions means that I'm moving in neither direction, and being in a stuck state... well... sucks. Nothing gets done, and nobody wins.
__________________
-=[ Merlocke ]=-
Merlocke is offline  
Old 01-31-2010, 02:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
Getting it.
 
Charlatan's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: Lion City
If I had the ability, i would build my financial independence first and then go back to teaching.
__________________
"My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars."
- Old Man Luedecke
Charlatan is offline  
Old 01-31-2010, 04:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
Comment or else!!
 
KellyC's Avatar
 
Location: Home sweet home
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlatan View Post
If I had the ability, i would build my financial independence first and then go back to teaching.
This.

And please teach me once you're done.
__________________
Him: Ok, I have to ask, what do you believe?
Me: Shit happens.
KellyC is offline  
Old 01-31-2010, 05:44 AM   #4 (permalink)
Junkie
 
Location: My head.
I'd pay for your seminar if you hold one.

Rebeuild your own fortune. When this is done you will have even more experience to pass on to a newer protege.
Xerxys is offline  
Old 01-31-2010, 05:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
Misanthropic
 
Crack's Avatar
 
Location: Ohio! yay!
Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
__________________
Crack, you and I are long overdue for a vicious bout of mansex.

~Halx
Crack is offline  
Old 01-31-2010, 07:25 AM   #6 (permalink)
warrior bodhisattva
 
Baraka_Guru's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: East-central Canada
It's easier to get into teaching when you have credentials, and good credentials include recent credentials, which, in your case, would be a recent track record. Prove that you can make money in this market, and then teach others how to do it.

Maybe maintain a blog tracking your progress. If you do it well enough, you could make money on the blog as well. I'm currently studying for the CSC, so I'd be interested in reading something like that.
__________________
Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing?
—Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön

Humankind cannot bear very much reality.
—From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

Last edited by Baraka_Guru; 01-31-2010 at 07:28 AM..
Baraka_Guru is offline  
Old 01-31-2010, 08:16 AM   #7 (permalink)
Eat your vegetables
 
genuinegirly's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: Arabidopsis-ville
Focus on your family's financial well-being first. Make sure you're not over-worked. You have a whole lifetime ahead of you, there should be time for you to teach in your second retirement.
__________________
"Sometimes I have to remember that things are brought to me for a reason, either for my own lessons or for the benefit of others." Cynthetiq

"violence is no more or less real than non-violence." roachboy
genuinegirly is offline  
Old 02-01-2010, 10:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
Merlocke's Avatar
 
Location: Canada
Thanks so much for everyone's suggestions.

I wonder if it would be possible to start a locked forum - or perhaps I'll just set up a private blog where I can teach others a few techniques to really get you ahead. It would sate my "need" to share, while creating content and receiving feedback that would really help in building the course for the next generation. I can always start with the super basics, and just move forward in advancement until people were ready to take the next step. Would that be useful to anyone here?

Just as a side note however, I do not currently hold any financial licenses - however that was done on purpose in my original planning. I have studied the courses, and can challenge the tests at any time, but hanging up my license in a shop restricts me to only selling products from that particular shop. For example - someone with their Mutual Fund License at TD Bank cannot sell you anything from say CIBC, HSBC, or Bank of America. I'd like the freedom to share with clients the BEST options without getting consistently fired from a financial institution, or put that license in jeopardy. What I have done however is set up my network in each of the major centers to give me access to the products (a licensed rep from the source helps you) and I'd earn more money selling the books/videos/whatever once they were done. Naturally, I'd donate a good chunk to charity as the teaching is really more for pleasure than anything else. (oh, that and the TFP naturally)

Another question I've got for the group: Would it be more interesting if I shared a few more advanced methods off the hop, or just stuck to the basics?
As an example of a more advanced course, I can teach a technique that turns $5000 into a cash flow of $6000-$12000 per year utilizing tax savings and a GIC style investment (I know, you're wondering how the hell a GIC can give that good of a return - well it can't - hence why I have to teach the technique).

Or on the more basic side, I just teach techniques on simple tax savings that can bring back $3000-$5000 a year (for Canadians). I'd have to run the numbers through some of my accountant contacts in the U.S. to see what the averages are there, but I'd presume that it would be fairly close as it's not a rocket science type system. In fact, most of the basic stuff is sitting right on the CRA and IRS websites in plain view in regards to what works and what doesn't work in tax savings.

Is any of this stuff valuable to anyone here? I mean, the purpose would be for me to bounce the teaching style off of you, in exchange for feedback. I don't charge a thing for the actual knowledge to anyone on the closed forum/blog - and I get a better product in the end. (naturally it'd be on trust that you don't distribute what I'd eventually sell in the future as a course).

At least with something like this, I don't have the crazy stage speaking schedule as well, so I can stay home with my kids more too. (blogs and videos can just be read and watched at your leisure). Halx? Mods? I'm not sure if this fits here or not. Otherwise, I'll go figure out wordpress and start from there. Because of the support and help from the TFP in the past, I'd always leave an open invite into the locked forum/blog for long time and contributing and donating members to the TFP until I close that down to create the final courses.
__________________
-=[ Merlocke ]=-
Merlocke is offline  
Old 02-01-2010, 11:25 PM   #9 (permalink)
Comment or else!!
 
KellyC's Avatar
 
Location: Home sweet home
For a finance newb like me, who knows nothing about money, it would be a good idea to start from the very basic and work to the more advanced levels. There's no point in learning how to run before one can even crawl.

As for a private forum, I'm not sure if Halx and the mods are up to creating a new one just for this purpose, but I suggest Member's Playground to be a pretty safe bet. People there are mostly TFP vets.

Man, I have a lot of questions already. Not sure if you're ready to take 'em at this moment. As you can see, I'm quite eager.
__________________
Him: Ok, I have to ask, what do you believe?
Me: Shit happens.
KellyC is offline  
Old 02-02-2010, 09:11 AM   #10 (permalink)
... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.
 
Willravel's Avatar
 
Money can be exchanged for goods and services.
Willravel is offline  
Old 02-02-2010, 12:42 PM   #11 (permalink)
Poo-tee-weet?
 
JStrider's Avatar
 
Location: The Woodlands, TX
I'd be interested in hearing about these techniques and learning what you know. but from what you have said so far it seems to have fallen into the catagory of "too good to be true" but I'm willing to listen.

I did actually check your profile to see if you were an established user.
__________________
-=JStrider=-

~Clatto Verata Nicto
JStrider is offline  
Old 02-02-2010, 01:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
Asshole
 
The_Jazz's Avatar
 
Administrator
Location: Chicago
FYI - the staff is discussing this proposal with Merlocke. If it's approved, there will most likely be a new thread.
__________________
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin
"There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush
"We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo
The_Jazz is offline  
Old 02-02-2010, 01:42 PM   #13 (permalink)
Junkie
 
Location: My head.
Yay!
Xerxys is offline  
Old 02-06-2010, 04:55 PM   #14 (permalink)
Junkie
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Jazz View Post
FYI - the staff is discussing this proposal with Merlocke. If it's approved, there will most likely be a new thread.
That IS interesting. There used to be a "Tilted Finances," "Tilted Money," (or something similar) subforum about five years ago. I remember especially interesting advice about mortgages from No Soup. Good credit card advice as well. I posted in that area a few times. Maybe it just didn't get enough activity or something, but one day it was just GONE, merged into the Tilted Life subforum. Might be time to bring it back.

Lindy
Lindy is offline  
Old 02-10-2010, 11:58 PM   #15 (permalink)
Non-Rookie
 
NoSoup's Avatar
 
Location: Green Bay, WI
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindy View Post
That IS interesting. There used to be a "Tilted Finances," "Tilted Money," (or something similar) subforum about five years ago. I remember especially interesting advice about mortgages from No Soup. Good credit card advice as well. I posted in that area a few times. Maybe it just didn't get enough activity or something, but one day it was just GONE, merged into the Tilted Life subforum. Might be time to bring it back.

Lindy


I loved that forum - I realize chances are pretty close to nil, but I'd love to see it back as well. It's a very different economy from when it was initially merged, perhaps people are showing much more interest in finance than in the past? And thanks Lindy, it makes me feel great knowing that some folks remember some of the advice from there!
__________________
I have an aura of reliability and good judgement.

Just in case you were wondering...
NoSoup is offline  
Old 02-16-2010, 04:50 PM   #16 (permalink)
 
Merlocke's Avatar
 
Location: Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSoup View Post


I loved that forum - I realize chances are pretty close to nil, but I'd love to see it back as well. It's a very different economy from when it was initially merged, perhaps people are showing much more interest in finance than in the past? And thanks Lindy, it makes me feel great knowing that some folks remember some of the advice from there!
Actually NoSoup - I asked you permission once to quote your article in a blog regarding credit, and it was SUPER useful. Would love to get that old discussion forum up again with someone of your caliber in the mix.

---------- Post added at 04:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:49 PM ----------

If anyone's interested in understanding the workings of a business done right - I'm totally loving the new revamped version of the 4-hour Workweek by Timothy Ferriss. He gives a TON of fantastic information away that took me forever to find.
__________________
-=[ Merlocke ]=-
Merlocke is offline  
 

Tags
build, curious, learn, money, teach, works


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:39 AM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360