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Old 02-24-2010, 10:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Does this trailer bother you?

So, for quite a while now, movie studios have been releasing "red-band" trailers over the Internet. Red-band trailers are R-rated trailers for R-rated movies; they typically require online viewers to enter in age verification information.

The New York Times this morning had an article about a new controversy springing up around red-band trailers, especially ones for the new movie "Kick-Ass":

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LOS ANGELES — They’re not the kind of things people say in polite society, or even impolite society. Saying them, even in jest, can get a drink tossed in your face and the glass with it.

Chloë Moretz, 13, uses foul language in a violent, R-rated trailer for a new film.

Yet there they are, roaring out of the mouth of a cute little 11-year-old girl.

A trailer for the forthcoming film “Kick-Ass” that depicts the girl wielding a gun and using highly, highly profane language is igniting debate about how Hollywood advertises its R-rated films on the Web.   click to show 
Here is one of the trailers for the movie:


You can find another here: KICKASS WIDGET

Family values groups are arguing that these trailers proliferate on sharing sites where there are no age checks, allowing children and teens easy access to seeing a red-band trailer, and thus movie studios shouldn't produce red-band trailers.

I guess what surprised me is how little I am bothered by this trailer. Sure, there is bad language in the red-band trailers for this movie, but if parents are doing their jobs, why do we need to restrict access to these trailers? I don't see why the movie industry should have to do the job that parents are supposed to do; if parents have a problem with it, then it is up to them to police it. As I see it, parents should already be supervising their children on the Internet.

That said, I doubt my parents would have worried too much about me seeing something like this , and I doubt I would worry about my own children either, because I plan on teaching them the same things my parents taught me--it's fiction, and inappropriate language does have its time and place.

Are you bothered by this trailer? What kind of conversation would you have with your own children (real or imagined) about such a topic?
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Old 02-24-2010, 10:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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that's just real. not the conservative fingers in the ears version of life that some people try to strive for *shrug*

that said, it made me want to watch it.

I think this is more offensive
The Human Centipede (First Sequence) (2009) - Synopsis

You can google some clips but it made my toes curl.
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Old 02-24-2010, 10:42 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Doesn't bother me at all. I've been watching R rated movies since as long as I can remember (since before I was 10), even with parents watching them with me. I just knew that it was just a movie and hearing a "bad word" didn't give me any freedom to say it, unless I was around friends...
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Old 02-24-2010, 10:49 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I guess these family groups don't know about the *rest* of the Internet, where you can get hardcore pornography with not so much as as "I agree" to the "must be 18" dialog. Hell, half of them don't even have that.

So a little girl swearing? Not so bad.

If you want to protect your children from those evil evil influences like TV, movies, the Internet then here's an idea. BE A FUCKING PARENT AND DON'T LET THEM GET ON THE INTERNET AT ALL UNSUPERVISED UNTIL YOU TRUST THEM TO DO SO RESPONSIBILITY. Mommy and Daddy probably have far more traumatizing things hidden in the 'parents bedroom.' Keep them out of where they shouldn't be, not change the places they shouldn't be to fit them.
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Old 02-24-2010, 11:05 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I guess my issue is the ADHD erosion of the entertainment world to the point where we have use tits 'n gore in 30-second slots to sell a movie.

I don't wanna be an prude, but shouldn't the brand-name actors, plot and a few choice one-liners be enough? This is very '70s 'ploitation-style.

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Mommy and Daddy probably have far more traumatizing things hidden in the 'parents bedroom.'
You mean a 12 gauge?
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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What was exploitation then is the norm now.
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Old 02-24-2010, 02:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 02-24-2010, 02:54 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Am I concerned this is on the Internet? no.
Would I like my children to see it, at their current age? no.
Am I concerned in any way that they are even remotely likely to see that trailer? no.
Do I want to see the movie? yes.

I remember seeing Platoon with my parents - pretty quiet ride home in the car afterwards - that had too much swearing for my mum
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Old 02-24-2010, 03:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Obviously. Filth is like a can of Pringles.
Smaller than my penis?

I saw the green band preview for Kick Ass when I saw Avatar and it did a really poor job of making clear what was to be expected from the movie. I can understand why these red band previews shouldn't be shown in theaters or for films under an R rating but the red band preview for Kick Ass not only did a much better job of making clear what could be expected from the movie, it's convinced me that I'd probably enjoy it after a few drinks. I'll probably see it.
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Old 02-24-2010, 04:07 PM   #10 (permalink)
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It looks like a mildly amusing film. The fact that the film itself seemingly contains a large degree of mature humour and content would seem to make a trailer containing mature content appropriate.

Then again, I'm not bothered by language in general. Words have power we give them, and no more or less than that. I find nothing offensive about a little girl saying the word 'cock,' and might've been annoyed if they'd neutered the joke for the sake of appeasement.

Get it? Neutered?

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Old 02-24-2010, 04:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The trailer does not bother me and I am most likely going to end up watching the movie just because I enjoyed the trailer. If I lived closer to my 15 year old niece, I would probably take her to the film just because she has been watching R films since she was probably between 8-10 and already hears this type of language and humor from her high school class mates.
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Old 02-24-2010, 04:58 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Aren't there more important things for people to be doing that worrying about this kind of thing?
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Old 02-24-2010, 05:43 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Old 02-24-2010, 07:08 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I didn't watch the trailer, but I really don't need to. Like Manic alluded to, there's nothing wrong with allowing people to know what to expect when they are purchasing a product. To tap dance around it is more of an offense to consumers than making it plain.

Plus, like snowy said, children should be taught to distinguish the differences between fiction and reality and the nuances of appropriate behavior from their parents. Sight unseen I would let my 10 year old watch the trailer without a shred of fear that she would pick up a gun and go all guttermouth at school the next day. It just doesn't happen that way.
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Old 02-24-2010, 07:17 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I'm diggin' the circle jerk of middle class white people going "We All Know Better" in here. It makes righteous squishy noises.

How easily they forget the rest of the world. Totally glad we police ourselves so well. Family values and all that.

Responsibility.

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We shouldn't protect our kids from anything. We'll just explain that it's fantasy. They'll be okay.
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Old 02-24-2010, 07:27 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Old 02-24-2010, 07:57 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Like I said: We can do better. Should expect more.

*heads spins with the consequences of Newspeak*
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Old 02-24-2010, 07:59 PM   #18 (permalink)
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A 13-year old kid with a pistol who says "cock?" This is what's making a stir??

First of all, anyone who thinks young kids don't curse like hung over sailors fighting each other in the dark has clearly never spent time with young kids. My students can even impress me with their ability to cuss a blue streak, and I can self-conjugate the word "fuck" about as thoroughly as anyone I know.

Gun? Meh. At least this is in a superhero movie, being used by a nominal hero in pursuit of nominal justice. I'd be more concerned about the 13-year old who spends six hours a day playing GTA, blowing away dealers and whores for the extra score. But there's no real sense getting anybody's knickers in a twist over an R-rated movie.

Frankly, as far as I can see, if one's kid's vices are limited to R-rated movies, that's a miracle and a blessing.
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Old 02-24-2010, 08:27 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Are you bothered by this trailer?
No. Im looking forward to seeing the movie with a brewski in hand.

What kind of conversation would you have with your own children (real or imagined) about such a topic?
Im not sure I would start any conversation with a young child over this, even if I knew they had seen it.
If they started one, I would answer any questions and throw in some social learning and some humor.
If the child were adult, I might learn something from them and i know it would be humorous.
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Old 02-24-2010, 09:14 PM   #20 (permalink)
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oh, so it's non middle-class white people who can't distinguish fiction from reality or raise their kids right?
sheesh...nice.
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Old 02-24-2010, 09:23 PM   #21 (permalink)
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No, it's middle-class white people that think they have all the answers about human development, good parenting, and morality.

Sheesh, indeed.
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Old 02-25-2010, 03:24 AM   #22 (permalink)
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No, it's middle-class white people that think they have all the answers about human development, good parenting, and morality.

Sheesh, indeed.
Fucking honkeys, think they know everything. What they need is someone to call them out.
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Old 02-25-2010, 04:10 AM   #23 (permalink)
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No, it's middle-class white people that think they have all the answers about human development, good parenting, and morality.

Sheesh, indeed.
nobody said they had all the answers, we're just expressing our opinions.
do I fear what effect a movie trailer or any other form of entertainment is going to have on the 'rest of the world' (whomever they may be)? no. but I am not of the mind that popular culture drives society but rather reflects it. if your concern is that 'we can do better,' then fretting over a symptom of what you believe is wrong is like throwing a bucket of water on a raging house fire.
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Old 02-25-2010, 05:37 AM   #24 (permalink)
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wait.. so Plan, you're in here talking about parenting.. why?

You don't have kids, you don't WANT kids, yet you want to jump on the parents are stupid bandwagon. Get a grip.

Film trailers are supposed to create buzz about a film. It's supposed to show you what the film is about. Imagine if the creators of the trailer had left out all the "indecent" stuff. People would be taking their kids to see a film and then screaming about how the trailer didn't portray what was going to be in the film.

People just want to have something to bitch about to help their poor pathetic lives seem a bit easier.
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:14 AM   #25 (permalink)
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So... you'd take your young kids to an R-rated film called "Kick Ass" without reading online reviews?

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Ooo, I was unaware you were more qualified than I to be a parent. I guess you got the manual or something?

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I'm mostly playing devil's advocate in this thread... I grew up watching Terminator 2 and Predator.

What I don't like is how callus society is becoming to this type of thing regarding their younger kids. Kids are sponges.

It's not "normal" to have a X year old blasting hookers in GTA after school. I think we can do better.

I know we're all highbrow motherfuckers IRL, but c'mon... let's at least play the part here occasionally.
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:27 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Yes kids are sponges, I'm agreeing with you in that sense, but there are a lot of dumb parents out there who think that a green tape trailer is going to save the world and then those dumb parents will think it's ok to send little susan off to the movies.

I am more qualified to be a parent, for the singular fact that I have kids. Everyone thinks they know how to be a parent until that kid comes along.. let me tell you, it's a whole new ballgame when it actually happens.
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:32 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Well, that logic suggests that the best place to train a football team is at the Superbowl.

"I've got a kid, I'm a parent." What a paradox. Very chicken and egg, too.

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I honestly don't care about the OP or the trailer, I was more intrigued by the "parenting" responses here.

Let me apologize for my excessive hatewhiteyitude. Ugh, it randomly flares up like TheJazz's hemorrhoids.
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:49 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I get where you're coming from.. it just annoys me when people think they know how to parent when they haven't actually had the experience.. it's equally annoying when parents are stupid.
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:03 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I was a line NCO in charge of zit-faced teenagers armed with automatic weapons. Does that count as parenting?

"No, Jimmy... ya can't rack out yet. You have to take a shower tonight. And clean your rifle. Where's your brother?!"
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I am of the opinion that culture drives society and not the other way around.

We are not as free as we would like to believe we are.

Big-corporate marketing has made us who we are.

To think otherwise if to unduly flatter ourselves.

It would be way cooler if we were as free as we think we are - even in our own minds.

It just doesn't look that way...
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:05 AM   #31 (permalink)
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yeah that may count for something..
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I am of the opinion that culture drives society and not the other way around.

We are not as free as we would like to believe we are.

Big-corporate marketing has made us who we are.

To think otherwise if to unduly flatter ourselves.

It would be way cooler if we were as free as we think we are - even in our own minds.

It just doesn't look that way...
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:15 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:18 AM   #34 (permalink)
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You know... white people own the media, too...
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:54 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Old 02-25-2010, 10:03 AM   #36 (permalink)
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The only thing that bothers me about this is that I'm watching a trailer for what seems to be a really badass movie and not the actual movie itself.

Living in New Jersey I can't really say the swearing of anyone of any age bothers me as people here (myself included) use the word "fuck" as often as the word "the."
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Old 02-25-2010, 10:28 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I am of the opinion that culture drives society and not the other way around.

We are not as free as we would like to believe we are.

Big-corporate marketing has made us who we are.

To think otherwise if to unduly flatter ourselves.

It would be way cooler if we were as free as we think we are - even in our own minds.

It just doesn't look that way...
I do believe that culture reflects where we are at any given point in time, but that doesn't mean I believe we are free.
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To clarify, mixedmedia, I think what culture does is reveal the specific forms of programming that are being promulgated via existing power structures. In that sense, it reflects something about us. But because it also constitutes the actual programming itself, it is the means by which existing control structures exercise power over individual consciousness and identity. I see this as especially true for what is often referred to as "youth culture," "popular culture," "alternative culture," and so forth - as these are the most virulently powerful sets of memes used to control and nullify potentially free-thinking individuals.
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Old 02-25-2010, 12:14 PM   #39 (permalink)
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that's just real. not the conservative fingers in the ears version of life that some people try to strive for *shrug*

that said, it made me want to watch it.

I think this is more offensive
The Human Centipede (First Sequence) (2009) - Synopsis

You can google some clips but it made my toes curl.
Yep, orders of magnitude more offensive than cussing kids
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I think the example of Kick-Ass was a good one.

It opens today, and the advance reviews are coming in. I'm intrigued because it's getting positive reviews (even in the Globe and Mail of all places ). Some are calling it tongue-in-cheek, others are calling it slightly disturbing (re: the potty-mouthed lethal 11-year-old). It is generally accepted as action-packed and ultraviolent.

What's most interesting to me at this point is that Roger Ebert found it "morally reprehensible." Metacritic gauged his review with a 25 out of 100.
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