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Old 04-30-2010, 05:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What is up with China?

What in the holy crap is going on over there? They're taking out pre-schoolers like guccilvr at an Old South festival.

5 kindergarten students hurt in hammer attack, 3rd assault on a Chinese school in 3 days

I like to think I have a decent bit of knowledge about geography, cultures, social behavior, etc., but I have no frame of reference for this at all. At first, I thought I was seeing the headlines for the same story being recycled over several days, but I finally figured out it has all been several separate, different attacks?!?!?!
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Old 04-30-2010, 07:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I dunno, the story says "most of the recent school attacks have been blamed on people with personal grudges or mental illness — seen as a growing problem because of feelings of social injustice and alienation in the fast-changing country." The story also said some of these may be copycat crimes.

Anybody that attacks school children with a hammer then sets themselves on fire is not playing with a full deck, is one brick short of a full load and their elevator is not going all the way to the top. IMO

Perhaps a sign of the times, welcome to the fucked up modern world China. A Chinese version of Dahmer may be next.
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Old 04-30-2010, 08:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't think there's any thing wrong with China. Some people are fucked up, and happen to live there. They're everywhere!!
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Old 04-30-2010, 12:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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What is up with China????

Communism, lack of a voice, one child law, oppression, poverty, government exploitation of its people, lack of free press and free speech, etc…. children are the Chinese citizens most precious possessions......

If you are tired of your life as a Chinese citizen and you want to be as offensive to your country as you possibly can be, and know that the government is vulnerable (re: children) and that it WILL draw the attention you seek, you prey on the weak and vulnerable for sensationalism and ease of delivery. It's not like the children were going to fight him as an adult would, and they were already grouped together. These attacks are against the government, via the children.

I am not saying these individuals aren’t sick, they obviously are, but these attacks are symptoms of a far larger disease than just mental instability. It’s a sad, sad atrocity, and it won’t stop until their people have a sense of self worth and self value outside the Chinese Communistic matrix. Socialism leads to communism leads to chaos, not utopia.

I read that the gates of the elementary school were locked, name me an elementary school in America where they have the gates locked, this already screams of the problems they face, are they locking the kids in, or the rest of a angry, resentful, broken society out.
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:19 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The one child law is a necessity, with a population of 1 billion 400 million or so.

Besides that, I totally agree Idyllic. That is All
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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This isn't wrong, it's common sense. I'd be all for the US adopting this to some extent.
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:38 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Communism, lack of a voice, one child law, oppression, poverty, government exploitation of its people, lack of free press and free speech, etc…. children are the Chinese citizens most precious possessions......
Some good points here, but it's worth mentioning that much is changing in terms of the economy. It hasn't been a communist state since economic reforms over the past few decades. Although the government maintains a lot of control, there is private enterprise and actual markets.

I'm not sure if this contributes to what has happened here with the hammers, but there could be a wider growing unrest among the people as they gradually get more independence through this economic shift. Just look at car sales in China. Can you imagine the sense of freedom of finally having access to a car for the first time?

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Socialism leads to communism leads to chaos, not utopia.
You do realize this is like saying capitalism leads to fascism....

And you make it sound like a utopia is possible under other systems of government, and that chaos doesn't happen outside of communism. Not that this really matters, China is essentially a socialist state.

I personally think that the kind of incidents in the OP article can be at least indirectly tied to the social, economic, and cultural change happening in China. Here in the west we cannot even imagine this kind of change.
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:46 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Not to be a pain in the ass, but how is this so very different from all the young girls kidknapped and murdered in Florida?

I feel it's all a sign of sickness and uncontrolled anger and wonder so many sick fucks feel they need to harm (anyone) esp. to innocent young kids. These are sad times.
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Old 04-30-2010, 04:10 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Sick people under stress do fucked up things.

It's happening all over the world.
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Old 04-30-2010, 09:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I am actually against the one child policy, not for reasons of reproductive freedom, or anything dealing with freedom- rather, we as a species never deal with anything until its too big to ignore, and that is with a lot of us working full time to ignore said thing.... population is going to grow, and we are going to either find ways to power, feed, and manage the teeming masses, or we will not survive- limiting the number of children they can make is a worse solution than, say, developing the tech we need to solve problems here and then go to the stars..... take off the breaks, and run at full speed- we will either solve the problem this causes, or die and make room for the next thing to wander by and evolve enough to produce Styrofoam......
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Old 05-01-2010, 04:48 AM   #12 (permalink)
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all I know is that you're absolutely right warr.. I wouldn't stand a chance in hell at a southern festival. This is why I avoid them like the plague.

There are fucked up people everywhere, the sad part is we don't even know about half of the fucked up shit that goes on.
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Old 05-01-2010, 06:58 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Not to be a pain in the ass, but how is this so very different from all the young girls kidknapped and murdered in Florida?

I feel it's all a sign of sickness and uncontrolled anger and wonder so many sick fucks feel they need to harm (anyone) esp. to innocent young kids. These are sad times.
It's not new. Abuse of children, especially sexual abuse, has occurred in nearly all cultures throughout history. However, our attitudes towards children have changed significantly in the last century or so. We've moved from seeing children as property for parents to do with what they will to seeing children as people. This isn't a bad thing. We've finally started to acknowledge that children have rights too.

The media plays a role too. As I said, abuse of children is not a recent phenomenon. It just feels like it because of our globalized, sensationalistic media.

I would say what's happening in China is probably due to the sheer number of people with mental illness who are unable to get help for their problems, among other factors.
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Old 05-01-2010, 07:52 AM   #14 (permalink)
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What is up with China????

Communism, lack of a voice, one child law, oppression, poverty, government exploitation of its people, lack of free press and free speech, etc…. children are the Chinese citizens most precious possessions......

If you are tired of your life as a Chinese citizen and you want to be as offensive to your country as you possibly can be, and know that the government is vulnerable (re: children) and that it WILL draw the attention you seek, you prey on the weak and vulnerable for sensationalism and ease of delivery. It's not like the children were going to fight him as an adult would, and they were already grouped together. These attacks are against the government, via the children.

I am not saying these individuals aren’t sick, they obviously are, but these attacks are symptoms of a far larger disease than just mental instability. It’s a sad, sad atrocity, and it won’t stop until their people have a sense of self worth and self value outside the Chinese Communistic matrix. Socialism leads to communism leads to chaos, not utopia.

I read that the gates of the elementary school were locked, name me an elementary school in America where they have the gates locked, this already screams of the problems they face, are they locking the kids in, or the rest of a angry, resentful, broken society out.
I walk past schools with locked gates since 1980 when I was still going to school in the United States.

I even walk past schools today in NYC with locked gates and doors. One main entrance manned by security, all other exits are locked and emergency exits only.
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Old 05-01-2010, 08:39 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Cynthetiq, Yeah, I don't think I could use N.Y. as an example of the whole open door policy most schools in this nation adhere to, aside from "lock down" necessity. I assume N.Y. however, that word (assume) frightens me already. I should say, in the 80's there was a lot of vocalization re: schools chain locking their doors, this is illegal now. At least it is when it comes to completely preventing entry or departure, the front door to a school must remain open, except during "lock down". All other doors, while preventing unauthorized entry and forcing front door entry only, must be emergency exit allowable at all times, fire code.

I don't think I will ever understand the depth of depravity on must wallow in to feel the necessity to vomit their own hatred on such a vulnerable group of humans, I find it to be incomprehensibly broken minded, the question is, what drives a mind to break so irreparably? It's just a terribly, terribly sad situation from all angles.
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Old 05-01-2010, 08:56 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I grew up in the suburbs of LA. I go to see my sister in Valencia, locked gates there too. Locked from the OUTSIDE, but can still be pushed to the exit during exits.

NYC was were the Shirt waist coat factory fire was... it's illegal for a long time now.

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Old 05-01-2010, 09:10 PM   #17 (permalink)
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According to the coverage of the Kentucky Derby today, China has over 3000 KFC restaurants, with a new one opening every day. I guess my thought would be that they are eating too many abnormal chicken-growing hormones, sending them into fits of rage.

I also have another theory that they have a much darker version of Grand Theft Auto in the Chinese video game market in which you can take a hammer to a pre-school class; this game is obviously having an adverse effect on these Chinese crazies.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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It is what happens when a desire to live a customized life meets with a force that restricts ones freedom to do so.

The hammer to the children is a subset of initial outbursts.
(whereby, in an extreme attempt at being unique, one cannot copy another..)

The perpetrators know that -

A.) No one cares about them or their beliefs.
B.) No one cares about the kids, either.
C.) It doesn't matter anyway.
D.) Nothing can change that.


The force is a huge population.


The same type of thing happens in Japan, as well, though it would seem the force there is intense competition more so than just a huge population.
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Old 05-12-2010, 02:29 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Attacks in China

Some brutal mass-murders of young schoolchildren have been happening in China.


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Seven Children Killed in School Attack in China
By EDWARD WONG and MARK McDONALD
BEIJING — Seven kindergarteners and a teacher were stabbed to death and 12 people were injured on Wednesday in an attack at a school in northern China, according to the state news agency Xinhua.

The attack was one of the deadliest in a bizarre series of attacks on Chinese schoolchildren by apparent lunatics wielding knives and hand tools.

A local man identified as Wu Huanmin, 48, used a kitchen cleaver in the attack on Wednesday, Xinhua said. He killed five boys, two girls and a female teacher, then left the school, returned home and committed suicide, according to provincial security officials.

Eleven pupils and one adult were wounded and taken to a hospital in the city of Hanzhong. A nurse answering the phone at the hospital said most of the victims had critical wounds to their heads.
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The first of the recent wave of attacks took place on March 23, when Zheng Minsheng, 42, stabbed eight primary school students to death in Fujian Province, on China’s eastern coast. After a speedy trial, Mr. Zheng was executed on April 28, the same day that 16 children and their teacher were attacked at a primary school in the southern province of Guangdong.

The following day, in the city of Taixing, in the eastern province of Jiangsu, 29 kindergarten pupils and three adults were injured by an attacker with a knife Protesting parents took to the streets chanting, “We want the truth! We want our babies back!”

The day after that, Xinhua reported, five kindergarteners and a teacher were injured by a man in Shandong Province, also in eastern China. The man beat the five children with a hammer, then doused himself with gasoline and set himself on fire with two other children in his arms. The attacker died.
Link to the whole article- Seven Children Killed in School Attack in China - NYTimes.com

Are these isolated acts by a few disturbed individuals?
Or do you see any order to the killings?
Have there been many more than those that have broken into media attention?
Do you think attacks on schoolchildren would be any more frequent if China had less-strict gun regulations?
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Old 05-12-2010, 04:42 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Isolated attacks by disturbed individuals? Definitely. Have there been more we haven't heard about? Not likely. Even in China, or perhaps especially in China, with its strict population controls, killing children is a particularly heinous crime.

Is there order to these killings? Not as such, but there is a very telling remark by one of the perpetrators in that he was depressed over the failure of his love life. The Chinese have, since the implementation of the 1-child/couple rule, heavily favoured boys. Female fetuses have been selectively aborted, and girls have been abandoned/left to die as newborns. There is a growing imbalance in the male:female ratio that will leave millions of Chinese men unable to find a mate. As the situation worsens, the likelihood will increase of finding more men like these ones who cannot deal with this.

Will it lead to MORE of this sort of atrocity? Hard to say, but it's certainly possible... a crisis of their own making. Let's hope it doesn't lead to the traditional way of dealing with excess male populations... WAR.
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Here's another article on the matter:
Killer in China School Stabbing Knew His Victims - NYTimes.com

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BEIJING — The mystery over a series of vicious attacks on schoolchildren across China deepened Thursday, as reports emerged indicating that the latest and deadliest round of slaughter was committed not by a stranger to his victims, but rather a man well known to them and their families, someone probably seen near the school almost every day.

Meanwhile, in Hangzhou, the provincial capital of Zhejiang Province, police officers detained a woman Thursday morning after she stormed into a youth center brandishing a rusty knife, according to a worker at the center and photographs posted by a local newspaper. (By Thursday night, the photographs and an accompanying article had been removed form the newspaper’s Web site, possible in keeping with government pressure to mute coverage.)

The officers stopped the woman before she harmed anyone, and it was unclear what the woman had intended to do, the worker said in a telephone interview. The prior five attacks on schoolchildren were all committed by men.

The assailant in the Wednesday mayhem, Wu Huanming, 48, was the landlord of the Shengshui Temple private kindergarten and had been having frequent disputes with the school administrator, Wu Hongying, over when the school would move out of the building, Chinese news organizations said in early reports. So far, there are no suggestions that the two were related.

Mr. Wu barged into the school with a kitchen cleaver on Wednesday morning and hacked and killed Ms. Wu and a student, then wounded 18 other people, including Ms. Wu’s 80-year-old mother. She and six pupils died of their injuries. Mr. Wu killed himself at his home.

The attack, in the village of Linchang in Shaanxi Province, was the deadliest of five attacks in the past two months on students by middle-aged men armed with knives or tools, and it left many Chinese, from top security officials to fearful parents, scrambling for explanations. Seventeen people have been killed and nearly 100 wounded in the attacks.

They appear to be copycat crimes, with no discernible pattern beyond the most basic — adults attacking defenseless children within schools.

Nor did the descriptions of Mr. Wu that emerged on Thursday immediately suggest any broader insights. He seemed to know his victims, in particular Ms. Wu, and had a wife and two adult sons whom the other residents of Linchang knew.

Zhao Fangling, vice director of the hospital where five of the wounded children were in an intensive care unit on Thursday, said by telephone that the young victims were familiar with the attacker.

“You know, they are from the same small village,” she said.

The police took in Mr. Wu’s parents, his wife and his sons for questioning, according to a report in the English-language edition of Global Times, a state-run newspaper.

People in the village spoke of Mr. Wu being mild-mannered and kind, if a bit withdrawn. A Hong Kong newspaper, Ta Kung Pao, which sent two reporters to the village on Wednesday, said that Mr. Wu and his wife ran small businesses and made good money. One of their sons attends university in the city of Xi’an, and the other is an adult who is mentally handicapped, the newspaper said. Other online reports carried the same details.

Ta Kung Pao also reported that Mr. Wu had diabetes and had recently been found to have late-stage prostate cancer, though the newspaper did not name sources for that information, and none of it could be independently verified.

An Associated Press reporter in the village spoke to a man, Zhen Xiulan, 71, who said he had known Mr. Wu his entire life.

“This kid was very honest and didn’t talk much,” Mr. Zhen said. “He had a very soft and gentle personality and didn’t have mental problems that we knew of.”

“None of us would ever have imagined he would do something so terrible,” he added.

Police officers followed journalists around Linchang and kept them away from some areas. One news crew was ejected from a hotel, The A.P. reported. Local and central government officials have tried to clamp down on news coverage of the attacks, and the official Chinese-language news organizations on Thursday did not report new details of the Linchang killings. Most Chinese news Web sites had deeply buried the initial reports from Wednesday. The ostensible purpose is to avert further copycat crimes.

The series of attacks, which began on March 23 when a man stabbed and killed eight schoolchildren, have prompted calls by some writers and scholars for government officials to examine deeper problems within Chinese society, thus presenting a challenge to Chinese leaders.

At least one provincial newspaper has said that censoring news reports and adding security to schools failed to address the fundamental problems.

In Hunan Province, officials have posted police officers with submachine guns at the gates of some schools; the sight is so bizarre in China that photos have spread quickly online.
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Old 05-13-2010, 01:26 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I've been following the child slayings in china too, since they first began back in March.

I can handle news of shiites, kurds, and sunnis. Suicide bombers. Online predators. What have you.

But stabbing kindergartners? c'mon... I gotta draw the line.

My own ideas tend to lean toward what GreyWolf says. It is clear to me China has lost respect for girlhood. The dishonor of womanhood. They are mentally ill because there are no women around to love them. The whole bio-region itself has lost its femininity so vital to peace.

This is the kind of news I can't bare to think about for very long or else I'll succumb to depression myself. Must try to see some good in the world or else be consumed by all the bad.

Timothy Mcveigh killed some kids with his bomb, but somehow I see that as different than plunging a blade directly into a defenseless child's heart.
Like Timothy could disassociate with the murder he'd done, while the chinese murderers seemed to desire the bloody savagery.

I've seen dead mangled bodies on war TV, it's gross but I can forget about it.
Seeing dead children is not something I can forget so easily.

One thing I can say, seeing all this nonsense going on abroad, God bless America.
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