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Old 07-14-2003, 02:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The "Holy" Experience...

First off, I wanted to put this in general discussion because I don't know really where else I could put it.

It completely blows my mind how complex humans are. One aspect of this is the "Holy" experience. A moment of levity, complete and utter perfection. As if you have ascended in consciousness. They come from all sorts of causes, i.e. religion, drugs, music, relaxation, meditation, study, etc etc.

I believe I have had a few major experiences like this, and several smaller ones. I've done drugs that have obtained this, but this isn't going to turn into a drug arguement, whether its right or wrong. I want this discussion to be above that.

A few of the experiences I wish to share-
1. The earliest one I remember is driving home during a summer night in my car listening to music. The cool wind blew in through my open windows and the sky was clear, allowing the road to be lit up by the heavens, far out from the city lights. I even stopped and got out of my car to admire what was going on, and then it hit me that that was the absolute perfect moment. I can't really describe it any other way. It sounds cheesy, but it felt as if at that time the planets aligned and everything in the universe was acting on myself.

2. I've done psilocibe mushrooms a couple times before, and I can tell you the first time I did them it was a holy experience. I refuse to do them any more as it feels as though I am "cheating" by coming back to that place through a short cut of some sort. Call me an idiot, but what I've learned about consciousness, it seems that there are other ways to reach levels like that. Look at Ram Dass, aka Richard Alpert, a leader in the drug culture during the 60s. The guy reached levels of consciousness through meditation hard work, and ritual that he had obtained years earlier through drugs. Very interesting. Also, I once heard a story where a Guru in India was given something like 30x a normal dosage of LSD and laughed at what the effects were. He laughed because he had such control over his own consciousness that he was unaffected by the dosage. It may just be a rumor, but thats how it goes.

There are other ones, just times of relaxation where I think that it couldnt possibly be any more perfect.

How about you? What do you think? Have you had any?

I may be way off on this, and never truly had one. I know its possible, but from what I know, those that I shared (I have more that I want to keep for myself) are my idea of the "holy" experience.
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Old 07-14-2003, 05:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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To each his own I believe. I mean if you believe in Budda then a "Holy Experience" may be totally different for you than for say a Catholic. I think a Holy Experience it that moment when you are at peace and it touches your life. You know from that moment that you are a different person inside. You may do many of the everyday things the same but there is a tiny bit that will react differently to new experiences. I've had several but I think mine came when I had my daughter. I'm sure many mother's have had this experience. My hospital happened to be near the mississippi river and my window faced the river and the West. It was actually the second morning after my daughter had been born (at 10:32pm by c-section) and the morning after I'd been taken off the sedatives. I was able to get out of bed and walk around. My daughter had been brought to me around 3:00 that morning and because I was finally awake and coherant I was reveling in my baby. I got up and nursed her and she fell asleep. Then wrapped in a new robe my aunt had given me and with my New baby daughter in my arms I stood at the window and watched the reflection in the river as the sun rose and shot it's beams and shadows across the river. It was a golden glow and as perfect as any sunrise. It was before there were people and cars making their noises and my daughter was sleeping peacefully. Looking at her face asleep and in peace I couldn't help but be amazed at what had come to be. Here was a child - without mar, blissfully unaware of the pains in this world and she was in my care. She was at this point so fragile and so full of possibility. Everything I did would have an effect on this new life. I could cause so much pain or so much joy just by the simple things I did. It was a frightening, awesome, priveledge and responsibility.

Another time I was in college. I woke in the middle of the night in fear for my family. Afraid that something was wrong. Not knowing what it was but being in tears even when I awoke there was no going back to sleep. I went into the bathroom (the only private place there at the time) and cried and prayed for an hour. Finally I felt calm again and went to bed and fell right to sleep. Then next morning early I got a call from my family. My brother had been arrested and my father had broken ribs. Nothing more had occured but could have and that time of the incident coincided with my emotional upset. I have no explanation for the coincident and I don't often get that emotionally upset or wake in the night like that. It happened once when my family was in trouble, never again.
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Old 07-14-2003, 05:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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When I should have died, I experienced absolute, utter stillness, calm, and a sense of "rightness." It transcends my ability to describe effectively with words.

It was amazing, but I don't think it was "holy."

That would be the closest I ever came.
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Old 07-14-2003, 05:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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When I should have died, I experienced absolute, utter stillness, calm, and a sense of "rightness." It transcends my ability to describe effectively with words.

It was amazing, but I don't think it was "holy."

That would be the closest I ever came.
I've had a near-death experience too, and I had the exact same feeling. Its wierd, a eery calm....like nothing is wrong at all. Certainly puts life in perspective.
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Old 07-14-2003, 07:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I’m really going out on a limb here. If I make it too long, you will get bored and not read this. Or, you may think I am really crazy. All of life is a Holy experience. Don’t go…When I was four my mother told me she gave me to God (never tell this to a 4 yr old!) I was his. Of course growing up as a good Italian Catholic, I thought I was supposed to be a priest. Puberty came and no way on this earth was I not going to get me some of that heaven between a girls legs. High school in the early 70’s was all about drugs. Lots and lots of LSD, mushrooms, pot (alcohol never called on me much). These trips were to get to heaven and I believed I got into the kitchen or at least looked through the back door. After high school I started a spiritual library. All faiths. I am convinced they all lead you back to the source…. I spent 10yrs studying yoga and meditation from a Swami fresh from the Himalaya. He once said that by doing drugs you can get a glimpse of heaven...much like a fly on a window, smashing into the glass but never getting in the room.

Skip forward 20 years…I re-became a Christian. Church, bible whole nine yards….I have kept a spiritual diary since 1977. I talk to my Maker and when I am having what you called a “religious experience” He/She talks to me. Here are a couple of things He/She told me….”Lose yourself. Do not cling to your identity but identify yourself with Me. You invite me into your heart but do not greet Me. Do you think I have forgotten thee? Wake up. Come greet Me. For I am within awaiting.” Try ignoring that. I did…kept waiting to get zapped. Never happened. Ok…how about this one…”You either know or you don’t. You are within me and I am within you. Together we are one. Through you I find expression, through Me you fine your being. Love Me for My sake for I work within you and without you.”

By know you must think I have some screws loose…a serious whack-o…a nut…. That’s ok but here is what I know:

We are all connected. We are like radio receivers. We can tune in. When we are ‘fine’ tuned, we can get some serious reception. More? Your thoughts are not yours alone. We are also radio transmitters we send out thoughts and ideas. Ok I’ll stop. Thanks for letting me spout to you. I hope I didn’t just become ‘black listed’.
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Old 07-14-2003, 08:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
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oldman - I appreciate your insights
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Old 07-14-2003, 09:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I was driving on a hot day after a rainstorm, with a rainbow ahead of me. I was just thinking, "Damn, that looks really close." Then, just for a second, everything in my car turned bright green, and then the rainbow was gone. I blinked like a crazy man and tried to shake it off as bullshit, but I'm pretty sure it really happened. i doubt it ever will again.
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