Councilman killed in NYC City Hall Shooting - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

crupdawg · 07-23-2003, 11:59 AM

this is still a developing story....at around 2:30PM a man in a cream colored suit shot Councilman Davis twice in the chest and fled the scene. At least one other person was injured. Apparently, the shooter MAY have been an opponent of the Councilman's in an election that the Councilman won.

Supposedly this would have never had happened if Guiliani was still around. His City Hall security was notoriously tight while Bloomberg has been criticized for lax security.

crupdawg · 07-23-2003, 12:01 PM

update: the gunman is still on the loose, however the brooklyn bridge has been reopened after being closed momentarily

Slims · 07-23-2003, 12:07 PM

It's a shame. I'll save any political comments until another time. Except: Some people are real asshats.

Phaenx · 07-23-2003, 12:22 PM

What was James Davis' party affiliation?

crupdawg · 07-23-2003, 12:23 PM

Democrat, i think.....almost 99% sure

crupdawg · 07-23-2003, 12:29 PM

update: a second person has now died

stuckshut · 07-23-2003, 12:32 PM

I find it interesting that the AP says that at least a dozen shots were fired, and that the gun he used may have been a revolver. Are there any 12 shot revolvers? Because I can't really see anyone giving him time to reload and empty the gun again.

Edit: The AP has updated their story and it all makes sense now. The second victim is actually the assailant who was shot by a plainclothes police officer who was also at the council meeting. The assailant was a political opponent of the councilman and his ties to the councilman had allowed him to bypass security.

clavus · 07-23-2003, 01:49 PM

Its easy to see how this happened. I doubt there was any security - metal detectors and whatnot. I mean, who would have thought there would be a threat against people in a government building in NYC?

Aren't handguns illegal in NYC? If so, please note how that did NOT stop a crime from happening. If not, never mind.

Oh, ya. One more thing - THIS SUCKS ASS! People, please stop shooting one another.

stuckshut · 07-23-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by clavus
Its easy to see how this happened. I doubt there was any security - metal detectors and whatnot. I mean, who would have thought there would be a threat against people in a government building in NYC?

No, the story says there are guards and metal detectors, but this guy was waved through without being checked because he knew the councilman.

forseti-6 · 07-23-2003, 02:24 PM

It's rather ironic that Councilman Davis was a strong proponent against anti-violence (he was the leader in putting the ban on real looking gun toys) and he dies this way. What a shame.

clavus · 07-23-2003, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by stuckshut
No, the story says there are guards and metal detectors, but this guy was waved through without being checked because he knew the councilman.

Whoops! I suck.

I'll just sit over here and quietly play with my dunce-cap now.

Cynthetiq · 07-23-2003, 07:22 PM

very much a shame....

even with the Orange Alert: Elevated that NYC has been under every day since 9/11, while the rest of the country doesn't.

I see militia all the time on my commute in and out of the city. I find it amazing that with the hightened awareness that still somethig like this happens. Knowledge of who someone is doesn't give them the right to not be searched. PERIOD. Security is security.

johnnymysto · 07-24-2003, 04:47 AM

This is another example (see 9/11) of heightened security AFTER THE FACT. Why the heck wasn't EVERYBODY required to go through the metal detectors, epecially in NYC? Now they say all persons must go through, but a fat lot of good that does NOW. The deed is done. When will they figure this out?

maxero · 07-24-2003, 04:52 AM

theyve got it figured out, its just a matter of money and effort

Brian Fellows · 07-24-2003, 06:57 PM

Thats some crazy stuff.

07-23-2003, 11:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
crupdawg Upright Location: New Jersey	Councilman killed in NYC City Hall Shooting this is still a developing story....at around 2:30PM a man in a cream colored suit shot Councilman Davis twice in the chest and fled the scene. At least one other person was injured. Apparently, the shooter MAY have been an opponent of the Councilman's in an election that the Councilman won. Supposedly this would have never had happened if Guiliani was still around. His City Hall security was notoriously tight while Bloomberg has been criticized for lax security.

07-23-2003, 12:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	It's a shame. I'll save any political comments until another time. Except: Some people are real asshats. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

07-23-2003, 12:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	What was James Davis' party affiliation? __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-23-2003, 12:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
stuckshut Upright	I find it interesting that the AP says that at least a dozen shots were fired, and that the gun he used may have been a revolver. Are there any 12 shot revolvers? Because I can't really see anyone giving him time to reload and empty the gun again. Edit: The AP has updated their story and it all makes sense now. The second victim is actually the assailant who was shot by a plainclothes police officer who was also at the council meeting. The assailant was a political opponent of the councilman and his ties to the councilman had allowed him to bypass security. __________________ fear the Ninja Pirate Monkey Last edited by stuckshut; 07-23-2003 at 01:08 PM..

07-23-2003, 01:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
clavus pow! Location: NorCal	Its easy to see how this happened. I doubt there was any security - metal detectors and whatnot. I mean, who would have thought there would be a threat against people in a government building in NYC? Aren't handguns illegal in NYC? If so, please note how that did NOT stop a crime from happening. If not, never mind. Oh, ya. One more thing - THIS SUCKS ASS! People, please stop shooting one another. __________________ Ass, gas or grass. Nobody rides for free.

07-23-2003, 12:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
crupdawg Upright Location: New Jersey	update: the gunman is still on the loose, however the brooklyn bridge has been reopened after being closed momentarily

07-23-2003, 12:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
crupdawg Upright Location: New Jersey	Democrat, i think.....almost 99% sure

07-23-2003, 12:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
crupdawg Upright Location: New Jersey	update: a second person has now died

07-23-2003, 02:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
forseti-6 Existentialist Location: New York City	It's rather ironic that Councilman Davis was a strong proponent against anti-violence (he was the leader in putting the ban on real looking gun toys) and he dies this way. What a shame. __________________ "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened." - Dr. Seuss

07-23-2003, 07:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	very much a shame.... even with the Orange Alert: Elevated that NYC has been under every day since 9/11, while the rest of the country doesn't. I see militia all the time on my commute in and out of the city. I find it amazing that with the hightened awareness that still somethig like this happens. Knowledge of who someone is doesn't give them the right to not be searched. PERIOD. Security is security. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

07-24-2003, 04:47 AM	#13 (permalink)
johnnymysto Overreactor Location: South Ca'lina	This is another example (see 9/11) of heightened security AFTER THE FACT. Why the heck wasn't EVERYBODY required to go through the metal detectors, epecially in NYC? Now they say all persons must go through, but a fat lot of good that does NOW. The deed is done. When will they figure this out? __________________ "I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request." - Capt. Barbossa

07-24-2003, 04:52 AM	#14 (permalink)
maxero Crazy	theyve got it figured out, its just a matter of money and effort __________________ cough

07-24-2003, 06:57 PM	#15 (permalink)
Brian Fellows Tilted Location: Omaha, Ne	Thats some crazy stuff. __________________ Go Huskers!! Go BEEF!!!!