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sixate · 07-28-2003, 11:55 AM

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'Gay' high school opening in NYC
Facility to have 100 students this fall, will specialize in art, cooking

The first stand-alone public high school for homosexuals in New York City will open this fall with 100 "gay" students.

According to a report in the New York Post, the new Harvey Milk High School currently is undergoing a $3.2 million publicly funded renovation. The homosexuals-only program has operated with just two classrooms for two decades, but now is expanding.

The Hetrick-Martin Institute, a "gay"-rights group, is helping to finance the new school, the report said.

According to the new principal, William Salzman, Harvey Milk High School – named for the slain homosexual politician from San Francisco – will specialize in computer technology, arts and a culinary program.

"This school will be a model for the country and possibly the world," Salzman told the Post. "This is a not a touchy-feely situation. We intend to have 95 percent of our students go on to college. We have a lot of talent coming into the school. We want to steer these kids in the right direction."

Mayor Michael Bloomberg was enthusiastic about the new school.

"Everybody feels that it's a good idea because some of the kids who are gays and lesbians have been constantly harassed and beaten in other schools and this lets them get an education without having to worry," Bloomberg told reporters at his daily briefing today.

New York State Conservative Party Chairman Mike Long blasted the idea of a separate school for homosexual students.

"What next? Maybe we should have schools for chubby kids who get picked on. Maybe all kids who wear glasses should have special schools. It's ridiculous," he said, according to the paper.

Long also decried the use of public funds to renovate the school.

According to the Post, Arthur Larsen graduated from the program last month as valedictorian and is thrilled with the school's expansion.

"I'm now an alumnus of a real school!" he told the paper. "There's going to be more students. In four years, I want to work here."

I guess my only problem with this is that it has a back of the bus kinda mentality. Separation just isn't a good thing in my book.

Charlatan · 07-28-2003, 12:04 PM

I completely agree with Sixate on this... separation is not the right way to go...

Cynthetiq · 07-28-2003, 12:05 PM

NYC being the diverse melting pot that it is... we've gotten so far to be diverse and understanding...*sigh*

tenchi069 · 07-28-2003, 12:13 PM

If people would just accept it as being a part of someone ELSE's life and not somone else trying to make their lifestyle a part of my lifestyle then stuff like this won't happen. Let's allows gay, lesbian, and bisexuals to openly be what they are, regardless of age or where. It isn't going to MAKE us, our children, or our neighbors something they don't want to be. The worst thing that could happen is somone learns a little compassion.

spectre · 07-28-2003, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
I guess my only problem with this is that it has a back of the bus kinda mentality. Separation just isn't a good thing in my book.

I couldn't have said that any better.

Bill O'Rights · 07-28-2003, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by tenchi069
If people would just accept it as being a part of someone ELSE's life and not somone else trying to make their lifestyle a part of my lifestyle then stuff like this won't happen.

Bravo Sir. Well said. Very well said

Phaenx · 07-28-2003, 12:36 PM

They're going to need an all gay business trait/college to go into (anything from cirque de soleil, interior redecorator, host of "blues clues") or else the point of Highschool will be lost, you can't seperate yourself from everyone and expect to ready yourself for the real world kiddos.

seretogis · 07-28-2003, 12:47 PM

Way to reinforce negative stereotypes! Maybe they can install cushioned glory holes in the restrooms too.

YourNeverThere · 07-28-2003, 12:53 PM

I was having a conversaion about this with a friend of mine the other day, she said that she used to know a friend of her family who didnt like gay people becuase of a gay friend that he knew who got aids and died, and becuase he thought the whole gay community there was bad. I think thats retarted, just becuase your gay doesnt mean that you run rampid and screw everyone, its a stupid sterotype. So i think that this school is stupid as well, why does there sexual preference mean they need a different school?

funbob · 07-28-2003, 12:57 PM

This doesnt surprise me in the least, NYC is a hotspot for the "New" things.

Regziever · 07-28-2003, 12:58 PM

Separation, segregation, apartheid same shit different name.. nuthin good has ever come from it.

World's King · 07-28-2003, 12:59 PM

One word...

"Fame"

WhoaitsZ · 07-28-2003, 12:59 PM

okay: This is fucking rediculous.

remember the civil rights movement...? i know this isn' the same, but I've always said for people to grow and evolve they must quit doing this shit.

now we have black only places. this gay school. what next?

it pissess me off. this is like saying 'i want equal rights but kiss my ass'.

assholes

Trilidon · 07-28-2003, 03:34 PM

Freedom of association??

Nothing wrong with seperation if its done correctly imo. Comparing it to apartheid and segregation is looking at it a bit out of context.

YzermanS19 · 07-28-2003, 03:49 PM

Celebrate diversity, just don't point out anyones differences.

JStrider · 07-28-2003, 04:18 PM

well its not likes its a forced seperation... and i assume gays will still be able to go to the regular public schools... i dont think its a good idea... seperating people by their differences only increases the misunderstandings associated with those differences...

CSflim · 07-28-2003, 04:25 PM

This is the most idiotic thing that I have heard in a long time!

"What next? Maybe we should have schools for chubby kids who get picked on. Maybe all kids who wear glasses should have special schools. It's ridiculous,"

agreed!

degarg · 07-28-2003, 04:52 PM

Yeah.. seperation isn't good.. creates problems

The_Dude · 07-28-2003, 05:40 PM

oh great, so every minority group gets to have their own high school?? i completely disagree w/ it.

Trilidon · 07-28-2003, 05:43 PM

Doesnt really matter =P its there right.

Isn't it?

Glad-I-Ate-Her · 07-28-2003, 08:09 PM

from csfilms:
"What next? Maybe we should have schools for chubby kids who get picked on. Maybe all kids who wear glasses should have special schools. It's ridiculous,"

This is a terrible idea. I agree with csfilms' point above. Anytime you single out a specific group for what ever reason, its bound to backfire.

Does anyone remember recently when a highschool had a prom for whites only? (I don't remember where it was.) Each group will start requesting special privilieges or they threaten to sue.

I hope this doesn't go through. Imagine underage kids saying that its cool that they want to go here and in the future they regret that they did it. What happens then? Don't parents have a choice in the matter. The parents cannot do anything when their kids become of legal age (18). But before 18 they should and could.

I would have thought that this would have happened in San Francisco before in New York.

Glad

pavel_lishin · 07-28-2003, 08:10 PM

There's a high school in Dallas that's basically the same thing, I think it's actually been here longer than the NYC one. Surprised the hell out of me when I heard about it... gay high school in the South? Weirder stuff's happened, I guess.

Tandem · 07-28-2003, 08:13 PM

Will be interesting how they 'qualify" eligable students - and/or police entry.

MSD · 07-28-2003, 08:31 PM

I see the publicity that this is getting easily becoming a way for religious extremists to target a group that they hate.

Separate but equal has been determined to be not equal.

Jeff · 07-28-2003, 11:16 PM

We actually have a few around here. We call them drama schools though.

laxative · 07-28-2003, 11:44 PM

bet they'll have a kick-ass football team.

MikeyChalupa · 07-29-2003, 02:52 AM

Will the faculty be all-gay and lesbian too? Will an acceptable excuse to miss class be "I just COULDN'T find a thing to wear!"?

And as far as this being an attempt to shield gay students from harassment, now they're conveniently all in one place for those that would do them harm.

And just how many transgendered high school students are there anyway?

-Mikey

wflol · 07-29-2003, 03:15 AM

um... sure

Loki · 07-29-2003, 03:44 AM

you know... has it ever occured to anyone that homosexuality may just be a completely natural form of birth control?

(just a thought that popped into my head.. i have no real opinion on a strictly homosexual school.)

HaloLauren · 07-29-2003, 05:34 AM

Whatever the moral issues of separation, which I dont agree with, either, this is wrong because it is publicly funded in part. The government should never condone this. Private funding could fund a private school, but public is just wrong and unconstitutional.

crupdawg · 07-29-2003, 05:51 AM

this is great, because now i can demand to go to an all straight kids school, im sick of gay kids gaying up things (sarcasm). this is obviously a terrible idea, but what if i was really serious about my previous comment? what if someone really did request a school where only heterosexuals could attend. i mean, it would only be fair, seeing as how there exists a school that only homosexuals could attend. this is the definition of segregation, folks, and i cant believe some people view this as a good idea (not TF'ers, the people who established the school, and the biggest idiot in the world, Mike Bloomberg)

KeyserSoze · 07-29-2003, 06:13 AM

Well this is total BULLSHIT!!

Fight for years to get accepted and treated as an equal in society and then turn and give it the finger.

Sue the Government,Military,places of employment, boyscouts,and the school systems then go out and open your little special school to SEPERATE yourself from society.

The parents that send their kids to this school are in my opinion are DIPSHITS!!

Personally I am a little tired of hearing about these special interest groups dictating the future of our society as a whole forcing their wants and causes down our throats while spending and wasting our tax dollars for bullshit like this school.

I really don't think a kid in New York city that is gay is going to get harrassed in school, now if he was in Alabama that would be a different story. And who cares if he's harrased..........IT'S SCHOOL.............we all got harrassed at sometime or another in school no matter what color,religon,height,weight,looks,sexual preference,size of penis,hair,gender,clothes,financial situation,bus we rode on, and how smart we were..........IT'S FUCKING SCHOOL.....thats part of growing up and it either makes you stronger as a perosn before you go out in society or you turn into a major fucking whimp that stays living with mommy and daddy the rest of your life because you're to afraid and too stupid to deal with life on lifes terms.

If I had a kid in New York city I would try to enroll my child in that school and if they refused because he was not gay.......I WOULD SUE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM for discrimination!

Oh, I hope the city remembers to send a notice to the Firefighters and Police officers explaining where their pay raise went to.

HaloLauren · 07-29-2003, 06:26 AM

You should do that, Keyser!

Separate but equal was already ruled unconstitutional, and I'm sure this place is better than equal. Only 100 kids, jeez.

jeenyus · 07-29-2003, 07:17 AM

that place is gonna get bombed

teshadoh · 07-29-2003, 05:52 PM

You know what would suck? The kid that ACTUALLY gets picked on at Gay High School! What a looser....

Fearan · 07-29-2003, 06:03 PM

Coming up next:

Tired of being picked for wearing 1" thick glasses? Don't want a daily wedgy?

Introducing "SCH00L 4 G33ks!" This Geek-only school doesn't allow jocks, females or anyone else to bother you during your chess-competitions or daily brain teasers!

Ralvek · 07-29-2003, 07:29 PM

I find it interesting that NYC's conservative mayor supports the idea...then again he'd probably support separate schools for blacks, latinos and other minorities...

ace81385 · 07-29-2003, 08:55 PM

Worst Idea ever..... Why is this being funded by the publics money wtf..... Look i dont care if ur gay but u dont need a gay school.? Or if u want one spend ur own damn money not mine!!!

niccoli · 07-29-2003, 09:28 PM

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this just a different form of segragation? And if they had sch00l 4 g33ks the world would have alot more braniacs than it does now...but that's for another topic!

SiphonX · 07-29-2003, 09:46 PM

didn't we end segregation in the 1960's? while there is nobody forcing the kids to go to the gay school, non-homosexual children aren't allowed. nevertheless, there are schools for all people across the U.S. Catholic schools, Jewish schools, black schools, Christian schools, and now gay schools! I just wonder what's next. Oh, btw, funny comment seretogis, cushioned glory holes, lol, that's grand.

07-28-2003, 12:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I completely agree with Sixate on this... separation is not the right way to go... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

07-28-2003, 12:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	NYC being the diverse melting pot that it is... we've gotten so far to be diverse and understanding...sigh __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

07-28-2003, 12:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	They're going to need an all gay business trait/college to go into (anything from cirque de soleil, interior redecorator, host of "blues clues") or else the point of Highschool will be lost, you can't seperate yourself from everyone and expect to ready yourself for the real world kiddos. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-28-2003, 12:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Way to reinforce negative stereotypes! Maybe they can install cushioned glory holes in the restrooms too. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

07-28-2003, 12:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
YourNeverThere Practical Anarchist Location: Yesterday i woke up stuck in hollywood	I was having a conversaion about this with a friend of mine the other day, she said that she used to know a friend of her family who didnt like gay people becuase of a gay friend that he knew who got aids and died, and becuase he thought the whole gay community there was bad. I think thats retarted, just becuase your gay doesnt mean that you run rampid and screw everyone, its a stupid sterotype. So i think that this school is stupid as well, why does there sexual preference mean they need a different school? __________________ The Above post is a direct quote from Shakespeare

07-28-2003, 12:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
tenchi069 Lost Location: One step closer to the padded cell...	If people would just accept it as being a part of someone ELSE's life and not somone else trying to make their lifestyle a part of my lifestyle then stuff like this won't happen. Let's allows gay, lesbian, and bisexuals to openly be what they are, regardless of age or where. It isn't going to MAKE us, our children, or our neighbors something they don't want to be. The worst thing that could happen is somone learns a little compassion.

07-28-2003, 12:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
funbob Crazy Location: The Desert Southwest	This doesnt surprise me in the least, NYC is a hotspot for the "New" things.

07-28-2003, 12:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
Regziever Sexy eh? Location: Sweden	Separation, segregation, apartheid same shit different name.. nuthin good has ever come from it. __________________ Life is shit, Death is even worse, So what's the point of killing yourself? /Ignatius Camryn Paladine

07-28-2003, 12:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	One word... "Fame" __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

07-28-2003, 12:59 PM	#13 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	okay: This is fucking rediculous. remember the civil rights movement...? i know this isn' the same, but I've always said for people to grow and evolve they must quit doing this shit. now we have black only places. this gay school. what next? it pissess me off. this is like saying 'i want equal rights but kiss my ass'. assholes

07-28-2003, 03:34 PM	#14 (permalink)
Trilidon Tilted	Freedom of association?? Nothing wrong with seperation if its done correctly imo. Comparing it to apartheid and segregation is looking at it a bit out of context.

07-28-2003, 03:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
YzermanS19 not your typical god-fearing junkie Location: State of Confusion	Celebrate diversity, just don't point out anyones differences. __________________ the light that burns twice as bright burns half as long and you have burned so very, very brightly

07-28-2003, 04:18 PM	#16 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	well its not likes its a forced seperation... and i assume gays will still be able to go to the regular public schools... i dont think its a good idea... seperating people by their differences only increases the misunderstandings associated with those differences... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

07-28-2003, 04:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
CSflim Sky Piercer Location: Ireland	This is the most idiotic thing that I have heard in a long time! "What next? Maybe we should have schools for chubby kids who get picked on. Maybe all kids who wear glasses should have special schools. It's ridiculous," agreed! __________________

07-28-2003, 04:52 PM	#18 (permalink)
degarg Tilted	Yeah.. seperation isn't good.. creates problems

07-29-2003, 03:15 AM	#28 (permalink)
wflol Tilted	um... sure

07-28-2003, 05:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	oh great, so every minority group gets to have their own high school?? i completely disagree w/ it. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-28-2003, 05:43 PM	#20 (permalink)
Trilidon Tilted	Doesnt really matter =P its there right. Isn't it?

07-28-2003, 08:09 PM	#21 (permalink)
Glad-I-Ate-Her Junkie Location: 1 mile from Ground Zero	from csfilms: "What next? Maybe we should have schools for chubby kids who get picked on. Maybe all kids who wear glasses should have special schools. It's ridiculous," This is a terrible idea. I agree with csfilms' point above. Anytime you single out a specific group for what ever reason, its bound to backfire. Does anyone remember recently when a highschool had a prom for whites only? (I don't remember where it was.) Each group will start requesting special privilieges or they threaten to sue. I hope this doesn't go through. Imagine underage kids saying that its cool that they want to go here and in the future they regret that they did it. What happens then? Don't parents have a choice in the matter. The parents cannot do anything when their kids become of legal age (18). But before 18 they should and could. I would have thought that this would have happened in San Francisco before in New York. Glad __________________ I'm "Glad I Ate Her" because the payback was worth it!! Last edited by Glad-I-Ate-Her; 07-28-2003 at 08:18 PM..

07-28-2003, 08:10 PM	#22 (permalink)
pavel_lishin Tilted Location: Richardson, TX	There's a high school in Dallas that's basically the same thing, I think it's actually been here longer than the NYC one. Surprised the hell out of me when I heard about it... gay high school in the South? Weirder stuff's happened, I guess. __________________ Vote Quimby!

07-28-2003, 08:13 PM	#23 (permalink)
Tandem Insane Location: Brisbane, Australia	Will be interesting how they 'qualify" eligable students - and/or police entry. __________________ It is not a mistake, but an experience. But, if you've experienced it before then you should already know if it is a mistake.

07-28-2003, 08:31 PM	#24 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	I see the publicity that this is getting easily becoming a way for religious extremists to target a group that they hate. Separate but equal has been determined to be not equal.

07-28-2003, 11:16 PM	#25 (permalink)
Jeff And we'll all float on ok... Location: Iowa City	We actually have a few around here. We call them drama schools though. __________________ For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written. We adjust to new conditions and discoveries. We are pliable. Love need not be a command or faith a dictum. I am my own God. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us. --Charles Bukowski

07-28-2003, 11:44 PM	#26 (permalink)
laxative Loser Location: the bathroom	bet they'll have a kick-ass football team.

07-29-2003, 02:52 AM	#27 (permalink)
MikeyChalupa Squid Location: USS George Washington	Will the faculty be all-gay and lesbian too? Will an acceptable excuse to miss class be "I just COULDN'T find a thing to wear!"? And as far as this being an attempt to shield gay students from harassment, now they're conveniently all in one place for those that would do them harm. And just how many transgendered high school students are there anyway? -Mikey

07-29-2003, 03:44 AM	#29 (permalink)
Loki Psycho Location: Drifting.	you know... has it ever occured to anyone that homosexuality may just be a completely natural form of birth control? (just a thought that popped into my head.. i have no real opinion on a strictly homosexual school.)

07-29-2003, 05:34 AM	#30 (permalink)
HaloLauren Banned	Whatever the moral issues of separation, which I dont agree with, either, this is wrong because it is publicly funded in part. The government should never condone this. Private funding could fund a private school, but public is just wrong and unconstitutional.

07-29-2003, 05:51 AM	#31 (permalink)
crupdawg Upright Location: New Jersey	this is great, because now i can demand to go to an all straight kids school, im sick of gay kids gaying up things (sarcasm). this is obviously a terrible idea, but what if i was really serious about my previous comment? what if someone really did request a school where only heterosexuals could attend. i mean, it would only be fair, seeing as how there exists a school that only homosexuals could attend. this is the definition of segregation, folks, and i cant believe some people view this as a good idea (not TF'ers, the people who established the school, and the biggest idiot in the world, Mike Bloomberg)

07-29-2003, 06:13 AM	#32 (permalink)
KeyserSoze Psycho Location: Lost Angeles	Well this is total BULLSHIT!! Fight for years to get accepted and treated as an equal in society and then turn and give it the finger. Sue the Government,Military,places of employment, boyscouts,and the school systems then go out and open your little special school to SEPERATE yourself from society. The parents that send their kids to this school are in my opinion are DIPSHITS!! Personally I am a little tired of hearing about these special interest groups dictating the future of our society as a whole forcing their wants and causes down our throats while spending and wasting our tax dollars for bullshit like this school. I really don't think a kid in New York city that is gay is going to get harrassed in school, now if he was in Alabama that would be a different story. And who cares if he's harrased..........IT'S SCHOOL.............we all got harrassed at sometime or another in school no matter what color,religon,height,weight,looks,sexual preference,size of penis,hair,gender,clothes,financial situation,bus we rode on, and how smart we were..........IT'S FUCKING SCHOOL.....thats part of growing up and it either makes you stronger as a perosn before you go out in society or you turn into a major fucking whimp that stays living with mommy and daddy the rest of your life because you're to afraid and too stupid to deal with life on lifes terms. If I had a kid in New York city I would try to enroll my child in that school and if they refused because he was not gay.......I WOULD SUE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM for discrimination! Oh, I hope the city remembers to send a notice to the Firefighters and Police officers explaining where their pay raise went to. __________________ THERE IS NO KEYSER SOZE!! Last edited by KeyserSoze; 07-29-2003 at 06:28 AM..

07-29-2003, 06:26 AM	#33 (permalink)
HaloLauren Banned	You should do that, Keyser! Separate but equal was already ruled unconstitutional, and I'm sure this place is better than equal. Only 100 kids, jeez.

07-29-2003, 07:17 AM	#34 (permalink)
jeenyus Banned	dsf that place is gonna get bombed

07-29-2003, 05:52 PM	#35 (permalink)
teshadoh Insane	You know what would suck? The kid that ACTUALLY gets picked on at Gay High School! What a looser....

07-29-2003, 06:03 PM	#36 (permalink)
Fearan Upright	Coming up next: Tired of being picked for wearing 1" thick glasses? Don't want a daily wedgy? Introducing "SCH00L 4 G33ks!" This Geek-only school doesn't allow jocks, females or anyone else to bother you during your chess-competitions or daily brain teasers!

07-29-2003, 07:29 PM	#37 (permalink)
Ralvek Crazy Location: MN	I find it interesting that NYC's conservative mayor supports the idea...then again he'd probably support separate schools for blacks, latinos and other minorities... __________________ Ban country music, it promotes inbreeding.

07-29-2003, 08:55 PM	#38 (permalink)
ace81385 Insane	Worst Idea ever..... Why is this being funded by the publics money wtf..... Look i dont care if ur gay but u dont need a gay school.? Or if u want one spend ur own damn money not mine!!!

07-29-2003, 09:28 PM	#39 (permalink)
niccoli Tilted Location: Denver, CO	Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this just a different form of segragation? And if they had sch00l 4 g33ks the world would have alot more braniacs than it does now...but that's for another topic!