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Old 10-01-2003, 05:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Yes...Another Marijuana Thread

I wrote this in the thread about the 5 year old making a bong..But it was alittle off topic.

I love how people who don't smoke Marijuana can say how addicting it is and how it screws you up.

Have you ever smoked Marijuana? (And I don't care about how screwed up your pothead friends are, I am asking you)

Do you even know what the effects are of being high from Marijuana?

It is not physically addictive, You don't crave it like you do a smoke....I don't anyways. I smoke it cause I love the high you get from it.

And what Sad_Machine said about marijuana letting you look at pretty much everything in a different perspective...Is totally true. And don't say it isn't...Unless YOU have actually had the expierence.

Don't bitch about people who smoke Marijuana cause it's illegal. I bet the majority of this board who doesn't do drugs or drink...Or do anything Illegal, Still download MP3's. Don't say that's different, Cause Illegal is Illegal.

To all of you who are in love with classic rock (Jimi Hendrix, The Doors etc etc.) Some of you are so against drugs, But remember that album that came out when you were younger from Jimi Hendrix or whoever? I would put money down that all or most was written under the influence of Marijuana or some drug. Even today we know some of our favourite artists are doing drugs, But everyone who is against drugs will still go out & buy that CD.

Some of the best music has been created by pot heads...So don't knock it...Or cut yourself loose from anything & everything that has been invented under the Influence of Marijuana...Cause next time you go out & buy a CD that is produced by a Pot Head...You are supporting thier habbits..In a small way.

Or is it that if you can get some kind of entertainment out of it, Then it's ok if it was a pot head who made that song...But the average guy/girl smoking a joint after work is SO wrong and illegal and screwing up our lives and mind. Well, I would like to think that you people would think the same for Musicians and other Celebrities and not support thier habbits...But they are famous so it's ok right?

I have been smoking since I was about 16 or 17..I am 25 now. I graduated from high school, Got a full time job, I now own my car...Have a few other things that I worked hard to get.

But every pot head is a loser, Lazy, No motivation etc etc.

Don't judge every smoker the same way as you judge your friends that smoke.

Gotta go to work, I am anxious to see what kind of reply's I am going to have when I get home.
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Old 10-01-2003, 05:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I love how people who don't smoke Marijuana can say how addicting it is and how it screws you up.

Have you ever smoked Marijuana? (And I don't care about how screwed up your pothead friends are, I am asking you)
Nope. Don't ever plan to. And I'll still tell you that it screws you up. Why? Because medical studies show that it negatively impacts brain cells. There's controversy as to whether the brain cells are killed, whether they are put to sleep for such a length of time as to suffer from atrophy and die, or whether they are merely affected for a shorter span of time. But nevertheless, brain cells are affected. I would call that "screw[ing] you up." Granted, that's a matter of semantics, and is entirely subjective, but at least now you know where I'm coming from.
My pothead friends are screwed up, by the way. And do you know why I generalize? Have you ever taken a statistics class? A large sample (generally agreed upon to be greater than 20) is often indicative of characteristics within the population from which it's taken. That's simply biology and mathematics. Out of 20 pot-smokers I know, six have gone to college and/or have steady jobs. Not a very good ration.
Save your breath telling me "everyone is not that same", and "it's not fair to generalize." The former is obvious, and the latter I've explained in more than suitable detail.

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It is not physically addictive, You don't crave it like you do a smoke....I don't anyways. I smoke it cause I love the high you get from it.

And what Sad_Machine said about marijuana letting you look at pretty much everything in a different perspective...Is totally true. And don't say it isn't...Unless YOU have actually had the expierence.
You smoke it 'cause you like the high. So... exactly what I said, right?
You'll also recall that I didn't argue effects of marijuana, I argued motives for smoking the stuff. My point, as I noted above, you proved.

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Don't bitch about people who smoke Marijuana cause it's illegal. I bet the majority of this board who doesn't do drugs or drink...Or do anything Illegal, Still download MP3's. Don't say that's different, Cause Illegal is Illegal.
Well, shit. I didn't realize we were going to look at crimes in a quantitative manner, and disregard the severity of each. I'll make sure to use this same approach the next time someone tries to tell me there's no difference between murder and petty theft.
For possession of pot, you can go to jail for 10 years (in most states; there is no federal law after all).
For online copyright infringements, one can go to jail for 3 years. Not to champion the government, but even life politicians, with their completely jaded and skewed views of life, see a difference.

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To all of you who are in love with classic rock (Jimi Hendrix, The Doors etc etc.) Some of you are so against drugs, But remember that album that came out when you were younger from Jimi Hendrix or whoever? I would put money down that all or most was written under the influence of Marijuana or some drug. Even today we know some of our favourite artists are doing drugs, But everyone who is against drugs will still go out & buy that CD.

Some of the best music has been created by pot heads...So don't knock it...Or cut yourself loose from anything & everything that has been invented under the Influence of Marijuana...Cause next time you go out & buy a CD that is produced by a Pot Head...You are supporting their habbits..In a small way.
I'm not sure if this is in response to me, or others; I'll answer as though it was intended for me:

I don't care. I never said pot-heads should die, or that they were a plague to society. Do all the drugs you want, just don't hand me a line of bullshit to justify your addiction and illegal activities. Don't try to tell me that it makes you philosophical, that life becomes more beautiful, or that existence becomes clearer; you're fucking high. If it were about the altered state of consciousness and its effects upon your inquisitive psyche, there are plenty of alternatives, some that are even healthy for you. Why not give those a whirl?

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Or is it that if you can get some kind of entertainment out of it, Then it's ok if it was a pot head who made that song...But the average guy smoking a joint after work is SO wrong and illegal and screwing up our lives and mind. Well, I would like to think that you people would think the same for Musicians and other Celebrities...But they are famous so it's ok right?
No. I believe I've already rebutted this point.
My favorite band crusades freedom of choice -- and thus drug use. Do I agree? Yes, and no. I think personal choice is a great ideal, and that very few things should limit it.
Do I think drug use should be widespread, or legalized? No. Argue all you want, but it is dangerous. That high kid, driving his car while trying to stuff a Twinkie into his mouth, is dangerous. Don't even dare call him an anomaly, 'cause I'll call you a willfully ignorant fuck.

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I have been smoking since I was about 16 or 17..I am 25 now. I graduated from high school, Got a full time job, I now own my car...Have a few other things that I worked hard to get.

But every pot head is a loser, Lazy, No motivation etc etc.

Don't judge every smoker the same way as you judge your friends that smoke.
Damn. I'm sorry for basing my perception upon past experiences and events. Wait...! Doesn't everyone do that? Isn't that a basic fact of life?

I thought that all birds could fly until I studied the ostrich in school. For most authority figures, this was acceptable. Yeah, my perception before that was wrong, but it was pretty close. Conversely, trying saying all birds can't fly because you know the ostrich can't seems rather uninformed.

Congratulations on going places. As I've mentioned, I know many who have not. It takes a special will, intellect, and emotional makeup. Given that, maybe you want to consider yourself the exception to the rule, rather than the opposite.

NOTE: this is also posted in the other thread.
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Old 10-01-2003, 05:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Yes...Another Marijuana Thread

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I smoke it cause I love the high you get from it.
That is an addiction in itself.

Ya I will tell you it messes your brain up. Just like cigarettes also. You body is NOT meant to take in smoke of any kind. When you smoke, you are depriving your brain oxygen.

And guess what...I'm betting that the marijuana you are getting off the street, isn't just marijuaua. But cut with other chemicals or drugs to get you a better "high."
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Old 10-01-2003, 06:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Having been a pot smoker for over 10 years... I'm not addicted... how do I know? because I've not smoked for almost 2 years now, and I don't "fiend" or "jones" for it. I miss it like anything that I enjoy. Don't eat a burger or steak or whatever food you enjoy and refrain for 1 year and tell me you don't miss it.

I'm not a college graduate. Why? Because I had Fortune 500 companies beating a path to my door when I was 15...I'm lucky I finished high school. I didn't start smoking pot until I was 17. I had to choose between working and making $$$ or going to school. I chose making $$$.

Possession of pot in the state of NY is 1 ounce, under that amount is a desk appearance, misdemeanor 3, equal to that of a moving violation.
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Old 10-01-2003, 06:13 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Possession of pot in the state of NY is 1 ounce, under that amount is a desk appearance, misdemeanor 3, equal to that of a moving violation.
Pretty lenient. Given how much more work the police force would have to do if it were otherwise, though, I guess it makes sense logistically.
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Old 10-01-2003, 06:13 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Yes, I've been high on pot, so I guess I'm qualified to comment in this thread, eh?

Yes, it dulls ambition in people.

Two of my friends have told me so (both life long pot smokers themselves).

Also, too many people can't leave the gange alone when at work. Yeah, who cares if the worker is a musician. But what about my last job where the work was using knives and saws to cut up meat carcasses (meat processing plant)? Or what if it is a professional driver?

And comparing smoking pot to downloading mp3???

Last time I checked, downloading an mp3 wasn't dangerous, where as I'm sure you wouldn't like it if your next bus driver was driving high.

Now that I've said it, I WOULD be willing to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana and to treat offenders the same way that drunks are who drive, go to work drunk, hurt people when drunk, etc. are.
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Old 10-01-2003, 06:38 PM   #7 (permalink)
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my mom's hooked on the shit. You can go on and on about how it's not addictive and such I don't care fact is my mom can't quit even with treatment,my whole family lovingly encouraging her to do so, and finally threat of divorce and me and my brother pretty much disowning her. She went 1 whole month clean and the day after she got her AA chip I caught her smoking in the garage. She's smoked to the point where she has crashed two cars and reverted to being physically and mentally abusive (I suspect pot has precipitated bipolar disorder in her). Evidently she's been smoking for years but only recently has it really gotten bad(she's 50 so menopause has also not helped the matter).right now my parents have just seperated (yet still living in the same house)after about 4 years of verbal fights (during my last years of high school and college when i truly needed thir help). The stress has given my dad a heart attack in th last week and she still persists. My dad I have tried everything and have never done anyhing worse than yell at her from pain during this whole ordeal. Recently we cut off her funds save for credit card for groceries and she still manages to get the stuff(i don't want to think how).She has stolen from me in th last year a total of 1100 dollars from my checking account (stole my checkbook and wrote checks).I'm sure some people can smoke and not crave the stuff but some can't (much like alcohol). sorry guys just had to get that off my chest.before you argue with me go to erowid,org first since it doesn't bullshit much on the facts.
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Old 10-01-2003, 06:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I smoke pot. Daily. Im one of two people to pass my chem exam at college. One of the top grades on the physics test the day before...
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Old 10-01-2003, 06:58 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I smoke pot almost daily as well. I enjoy the high. Also, yes, it does put things into a different perspective.
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Old 10-01-2003, 07:21 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I love how people who don't smoke Marijuana can say how addicting it is and how it screws you up.

Have you ever smoked Marijuana? (And I don't care about how screwed up your pothead friends are, I am asking you)

Do you even know what the effects are of being high from Marijuana?
I have never and will never fuck myself up on weed. EVER!
I don't care whether or not you want to hear about my friends/ex friends or not! That's where I see what the shit does to people. I see it from all the people I work with and I know I don't ever want to act or be like any of them.

I'm not a weak individual who needs any substance, other than oxygen and water, to get me through my day. I have a strong mind and I'll bet I'm 1000x more capable of handling reality because my brain isn't fried. I could care less if people want to do the shit. You can smoke all the weed you want, but if you ask my opinion you won't like it. I'll never agree with people using alcohol, tobacco products, and all other forms of drug abuse. I've had way too many negative experiences with the shit. I could give a fuck less who made what music when they were high. The ones you named lived short ass lives because their addictions killed them. Tell me that's smart. Yeah, I didn't think so. I'll continue to keep my my ass drug free. Just be glad that there's more of it out there to fry your skull since I'm not using any of your precious drugs.

Some simple facts of weed. It increases your heart rate/blood pressure, decreases blood flow to certain parts of the brain, and increases levels of estrogen in men. If you would like I can pull up links, but it would be pointless because you'll simply dismiss them anyway just as I'll dismiss any bogus links that you'll pull up about weed being good for you..... One way we can find out who's right. If weed does increase levels of estrogen, which would give a man more feminine features, you will have man tits in a few years if you don't already. Check back to me when you're 30 if I'm not already right, and I'll shut the fuck up if I'm wrong. Is that a deal? I tell that to every dude I know because about 95% of the time it's true. So maybe I'm wrong now, but I won't be later if you keep up your addiction.

One thing I will say is I think that cigs just as bad as weed. I wish that shit was illegal. Also, I don't buy these idiot doctors that say weed is more harmful to the lungs than cigs. There's a shitload of poeple who die each year of lung cancer from cigs, but I've never heard of someone getting lung cancer from smoking weed. These dumbass doctors need to wake up. Obviously, it's not good to inhale any smoke, and nobody, not even you can deny that.
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Old 10-01-2003, 07:30 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Because medical studies show that it negatively impacts brain cells. There's controversy as to whether the brain cells are killed, whether they are put to sleep for such a length of time as to suffer from atrophy and die, or whether they are merely affected for a shorter span of time. But nevertheless, brain cells are affected. I would call that "screw[ing] you up."
Kills brain cells? damnit, frowning kills brain cells, heading a soccor ball kills brain cells, talking on your phone kills brain cells, eating ice cream kills brain cells.... C'mon...there are medical studies to show that EVERYthing kills brain cells.

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Originally posted by IC3
I smoke it cause I love the high you get from it.



That is an addiction in itself
It is? so you eat ice cream cus your addicted to it, not because you like the taste? you buy nice clothes because your addicted to them not cus you like the way you look? c'mon. and your talking abuot relating petty theft to murder? you contradicting your self in your own post.

Personally, I like what IC3 Said...i couldn't have said it ANY better then myself. I agree some people have different view on the issue. but at least think about what your saying/talking about before you post.

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Old 10-01-2003, 07:40 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Why exactly was this thread started anyway? Don't tell me it was only to justify or condone marijuana use. But anyway smoke it if you want or believe what you want to believe but i won't be doing drugs any time soon. It's not something i want to get involved with.

I'm still a little confused on why you created this thread though.
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Old 10-01-2003, 07:43 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Smoked from the age of 14 and quit my 19th birthday.

I will not take any of those days back. It made me who i am today.

Just wish to tell everyone. Know when to stop and know when you have gone overboard. Look to the future. Set goals. And have fun!

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Old 10-01-2003, 07:48 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 10-01-2003, 07:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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It is? so you eat ice cream cus your addicted to it, not because you like the taste? you buy nice clothes because your addicted to them not cus you like the way you look? c'mon. and your talking abuot relating petty theft to murder? you contradicting your self in your own post.
Yes, it is an addiction.

ad·dic·tion
  • Compulsive physiological and psychological need for a habit-forming substance
  • The condition of being habitually or compulsively occupied with or or involved in something


He is addicted to smoking weed, and I'll bet my ass that he smokes way more weed than I eat ice cream or cheeseburgers. I do have addictions. I'm addicted to keeping myself healthy, oxygen, water, buying way too much Nike stuff, Honda cars, and tall thin brunettes. Last I checked that shit won't do damage to me or my family. We all have addictions to something, but not all of us are addicted to drugs/substances that will mess us up.

Now excuse me while I drink a tall glass of ice water.
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Old 10-01-2003, 08:04 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I smoked pot fairly regularly for about 5 years, and have been smoke free for about a year and a few months. I miss the feeling of being stoned, but decided to quit when I weighed my pros and cons. My cons outweighed to pros by far. Hell, even my PROS were cons in a way. Example- Pro: weed lets me relax in a social setting. Hmm, in that I see a con: how can I ever learn to socialize comfortably not stoned?

Speaking for myself, I used pot for more than just catching a buzz. It was like a security blanket, a place where I could hide from reality. But when I smoked pot, my priorities were very skewed. Lots of times I would get stoned and just not do anything because suddenly TV turned really cool, even fishing on TV was awesome. Don't get me started on how trippy Teletubbies are when you are stoned.

Pot for me was fun, but I feel that my ambition suffered for it, especially bad because I started the last 2 years of high school. I should have been working towards my future, instead of laughing my ass off because my friend spilled his pop at Taco Bell. I know some have ambition regardless, but I really think the majority, when stoned, lack ambition.

edit: I also think people who have pot in their house when there are little kids living there are selfish, if not addicted.

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Old 10-02-2003, 02:34 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Marijuana can be psychologically addictive, therefore it is bad. It hits people differently, but I'll tell you this, if it were legal, and a lot of people were using it, it'd be fucking chaos, I bet most people couldn't drive safely under the influence.
Who cares about pot-head music? Sure, I listen to songs from the 60's and 70's I like them, it's good music. If a musician takes drugs and composes though, I don't consider it to be their music. I'd never do it myself, it just wouldn't be mine.
And IC3, you've been smoking the stuff for only 10 years, that's nothing man. Come back and tell us this in 30 years and we'll see then :P
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Old 10-02-2003, 04:44 AM   #18 (permalink)
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That is an addiction in itself.

Ya I will tell you it messes your brain up. Just like cigarettes also. You body is NOT meant to take in smoke of any kind. When you smoke, you are depriving your brain oxygen.

And guess what...I'm betting that the marijuana you are getting off the street, isn't just marijuaua. But cut with other chemicals or drugs to get you a better "high."
I said I love the feeling...I don't need it or crave it.

Are body's are not meant to inhale smog and gasoline when you are filling your car up either..And all the other shit that's in the air.

I would take that bet, I only buy from a few different people...And I know exactly where it's coming from.


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you will have man tits in a few years if you don't already. Check back to me when you're 30 if I'm not already right, and I'll shut the fuck up if I'm wrong. Is that a deal?

One thing I will say is I think that cigs just as bad as weed. I wish that shit was illegal. Also, I don't buy these idiot doctors that say weed is more harmful to the lungs than cigs. There's a shitload of poeple who die each year of lung cancer from cigs, but I've never heard of someone getting lung cancer from smoking weed. These dumbass doctors need to wake up. Obviously, it's not good to inhale any smoke, and nobody, not even you can deny that.


He is addicted to smoking weed, and I'll bet my ass that he smokes way more weed than I eat ice cream or cheeseburgers. I do have addictions. I'm addicted to keeping myself healthy, oxygen, water, buying way too much Nike stuff, Honda cars, and tall thin brunettes. Last I checked that shit won't do damage to me or my family. We all have addictions to something, but not all of us are addicted to drugs/substances that will mess us up.

buying way too much Nike stuff
I don't know what the hell they are smokin down in Ohio that gives them man tits, But they can keep it. That's the first time I have ever heard of that...And I don't believe it. There's guys at my work who are in there 40's who have smoked since they were teens...And they don't have man tits. That's funny though

I think you got it twisted...Ciggs are worse for you than weed. And no, Nobody has ever died from smoking weed. But there's tons who die from ciggs everyday.

First of all...I am not addicted to weed, Think it if you like..But your wrong.

Nobody is addicted to oxygen..Oxygen is what keeps us alive, So I don't see how anybody could be addicted to it.

I probably do smoke way more weed than you eat cheeseburgers or ice cream.

I am sure you know this already, But all that Nike stuff that everybody loves...It is made by people who are pretty much slaves working in sweat shops in Japan or somewhere like that. I know Nike isn't the only product that is being made by people like that..But it's one of the main ones...I can't remember the last time I bought something made by Nike. Just cause it says nike on it with that little stupid swoosh thing..They charge you up the ass for it..While it's being made for practically nothing.

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if it were legal, and a lot of people were using it, it'd be fucking chaos, I bet most people couldn't drive safely under the influence.
It wouldn't be chaos, It would be a hell of alot more relaxed...Alcohol makes people act all macho & shit. Weed makes you calm and just a happy person.

To answer space monkey's question on why I started this thread. Cause alot of famous people are role models to alot of thier fans, And alot of them are drug users. I just don't understand how the average person gets looked down on for smoking weed but all these famous Potheads are gods to alot of thier fans.

I honestly didn't expect to find this thread still here anyways, Thought it would have been deleted.

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Old 10-02-2003, 05:26 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Every week a thread like this comes up. Why can't we just agree to disagree? Pot is good, pot is bad. It has its pros, and it has it cons. Fuck it. Do it if you want, don't do it if you want. This is a never ending argument. Its like a Christian telling a Muslim that his religion is right and the other's is wrong, or vice versa.
Different Strokes....
So I say just accept the fact that some think cheeba is bad for you, and some think differently.


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Old 10-02-2003, 12:05 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Every week a thread like this comes up. Why can't we just agree to disagree? Pot is good, pot is bad. It has its pros, and it has it cons. Fuck it. Do it if you want, don't do it if you want. This is a never ending argument. Its like a Christian telling a Muslim that his religion is right and the other's is wrong, or vice versa.
Different Strokes....
So I say just accept the fact that some think cheeba is bad for you, and some think differently.
Yes, good idea, i'll agree to disagree. It's getting kind of annoying seeing the same points argued everytime a thread about wead comes up.
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Nope. Don't ever plan to. And I'll still tell you that it screws you up. Why? Because medical studies show that it negatively impacts brain cells.


Two, ever notice that medical studies that prove good things about pot are swiftly debunked and labeled lefty hippy hogwash? But the stuides saying it's bad never seem to be critizied even though most are funded by the drug companies. Anyway, I thought it was a well known fact that there is no seriously clear evidence of pot being bad or good, other then the obvious smoke in lungs, dangerous driving stuff.
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Well, shit. I didn't realize we were going to look at crimes in a quantitative manner, and disregard the severity of each. I'll make sure to use this same approach the next time someone tries to tell me there's no difference between murder and petty theft.


You've been here a fairly long time now, and in most threads like this one (many) the point gets brought up that regardless of anything else, it's illegal, and then people retort with "it's illegal, but it's not that bad" and then they get "but, it's still illegal" That point has been made tons, and what I think is that, what's a law? nothing, it's someone else's idea, it's a piece of papier, it's nothing to me. So, just becuase it's illegal doesn't mean it's bad.
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Argue all you want, but it is dangerous. That high kid, driving his car while trying to stuff a Twinkie into his mouth, is dangerous. Don't even dare call him an anomaly, 'cause I'll call you a willfully ignorant fuck.


Whoa man, getting a little hostile there, mabye you should smoke some pot, calm down, or open your mind a litte bit.

So, what your saying is that anything that affects people's abilty to drive should be illegal? well crap, good thing there is no such thing as alcohol, ohhhh wait, there is, and it's legal and booming in today's society. What excatly is the difference, between pot and alcohol? well, pot illegal becuase it messes you up, alcohol on the other hand, leaves you orderly, able to drive, and completly aware of what's going on. Well, pot does ... well I can't think of an other thing that pot does that even slightly comes close to all the bad thing's that alcohol does to you.
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Damn. I'm sorry for basing my perception upon past experiences and events. Wait...! Doesn't everyone do that? Isn't that a basic fact of life?


Past experiences are fine to base perceptions, I think he wanted you to avoid basing on personal experiences, because you are on the interweb, you can easily say "man, pot ruined the life of 600 of my friends, leaving them dead on the side of the road dressed like a clown, missing one leg, ten feet from the mexician border" I think he wanted you to try to avoid generalizing, but alas, you said seem to love generalizations.

anyway man, just calm down,

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And comparing smoking pot to downloading mp3???


I think he was just saying that just since it's illegal doesn't mean its bad.
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Last time I checked, downloading an mp3 wasn't dangerous, where as I'm sure you wouldn't like it if your next bus driver was driving high.

I rather he was high then drunk, but i've already said all this and don't know why i'm saying it again.

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IC3, Although I do agree with what your saying I think Sixate was saying that he just considers all intoxicates and many other things weak, and that he's not a weak person.
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I am sure you know this already, But all that Nike stuff that everybody loves...It is made by people who are pretty much slaves working in sweat shops in Japan or somewhere like that. I know Nike isn't the only product that is being made by people like that..But it's one of the main ones...I can't remember the last time I bought something made by Nike. Just cause it says nike on it with that little stupid swoosh thing..They charge you up the ass for it..While it's being made for practically nothing.


Holy crap, this is a long post. Your close , not japan, but third world countries. It's called 'outsourcing'. Nike, as an example, is a huge company, they do nothing but advertize, Nothing. They hire contracters, who hired contracters, who hire contracters, etc. Eventually, they end up in what's called "free trade zones" in poor countries desprete for foreign money, they set this compounds up, large walled in areas akin to prisons. The workers, children and others, are not allowed to leave the site, if you get pregnant, you get fired. You work extremely long shifts for basicly no pay, not nearly enough to live on. These places exist because of massive tax subsidizations that they give to the contracters to make the products there, and Nike gets all profit.

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Marijuana can be psychologically addictive, therefore it is bad. It hits people differently, but I'll tell you this, if it were legal, and a lot of people were using it, it'd be fucking chaos, I bet most people couldn't drive safely under the influence.
I said this already I know, but still, I can't believe people can opperate with this sort of logic, sure, you can't drive with stoned, OR DRUNK! BUT ALCOHOL IS LEGAL AS THE SUN!
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Old 10-02-2003, 10:56 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I have never known a pothead who was debilitated by his habit who didn't have problems to begin with.

I've heard reliable accounts of successful people being turned upside-down by hard drugs, but not by pot.

I also wouldn't use dangerous stoned drivers as an example of pot's evil, unless you want to declare your belief that alcohol should be banned as well.

I second the vote to go to http://www.erowid.org to get the full picture. That goes for any drug, for that matter. A wealth of medical information, and personal accounts both sublime and depressing.
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Old 10-03-2003, 03:40 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I smoked for a long time. Over thirty years, took breaks now and again to evaluate. Haven't smoked any for about three yrs. I never got fired for it, never missed work because of it. In the future I may smoke again, I don't know.
But for the record, I believe everybody gets addicted to something sooner or later. People can be addicted to drugs, tobacco, booze, etc. But some people also get hooked on food, soda, church, physical fitness, pain, sex, books etc.
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ummm ya I did read sixates post about ciggs & weed wrong.

I do agree with him on that part of his post...I really want to try to quit smoking. But I don't think I would stop smoking weed...Not right now anyways.
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One thing I will say is I think that cigs just as bad as weed. I wish that shit was illegal. Also, I don't buy these idiot doctors that say weed is more harmful to the lungs than cigs. There's a shitload of poeple who die each year of lung cancer from cigs, but I've never heard of someone getting lung cancer from smoking weed. These dumbass doctors need to wake up. Obviously, it's not good to inhale any smoke, and nobody, not even you can deny that.
I believe that the context they use is that per ounce, weed contains more toxic chemicals than cigarettes. The issue is that, while I know people who smoke three packs a day, [the following statement is not a challenge. Please do not attempt this] nobody will ever smoke 60 joints per day.

I'd also like to comment on smoking and driving. The inhernt problem is that unlike alcohol, which can be detected with a simple breathalyzer test, there is no reliable way to determine how recently and how much someone has smoked. The only assumption that can be made is that if someone has weed in the car, or has an empty bong with ashes in it, that they have been smoking. If there were a reliable test, I would support legalization with identical restrictions to alcohol in regard to driving.

I think that legalization of marijuana would be beneficial to users who, at the moment, canot be certain that their doses have not been altered in any way unless they grew it themselves.
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Old 10-03-2003, 07:23 PM   #28 (permalink)
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i hate to tell you guys this but none of have 'the answer'. pot may affect me this way, you that way. you may be a stoner idiot, you may not.

quit pretending that you are godlike.

i love drug threads because it attracts all kinds but goddamn i am so sick of the 'stoner vs X'r' bullshit.
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Old 10-03-2003, 09:03 PM   #29 (permalink)
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It's obvious that all the pro-drug people are just shiftless idiots with little ambition and are comparable to a boil on the backside of humanity. They'll never amount to anything and never have anything and the few braincells they have they're wasting away by smoking a big nasty drug.

My advice, since your asking, would be to grow up, get a real job and stop slacking off at the expense of others. Go to the gym work out religously, get married, buy a house and feign happiness like everyone else. You obviously have no respect for society because smoking pot contributes to terrorism. So get off illegal drugs and pick up another habit. Some folks like to exercise, some people like to pick up a sport. At the very least, you could turn to alcohol and legal prescription drugs.

(I know sarcasm doesn't translate well, so I thought I'd add this-------->/sarcasm and add a bunch of emoticons)

You'll never change anybody's mind about drugs. There could be mountains of evidence to the contrary, but if you believe marijuana is harmful, then your opinion isn't going to change (same for the opposition as well)

You either support a person's rights to exercise jurisdiction over his/her body as long as it doesn't adversly affect society or you're a Anti-drug, psuedo-nazi shithead who feels that clamping down on personal freedom is the last step in creating the coveted "fourth reich."

Those are the only alternatives, there are no others!!!
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Old 10-04-2003, 01:19 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I've smoked regularly for the past three years, and since January, have been smoking practically every day.

In that time, I have graduated from university with a good degree in a tricky subject (philosophy), set up a theatre company and got a good job as a journalist.

I am never late for work, I never miss a day, and my work is routinely praised as being of an excellent standard.

I will admit that I'm a bit fuzzy for the first hour or so of getting into the office, but I could show you one or two other non-drugtakers who are just the same.

In recent weeks, I have secured a promotion to a senior level of staff, as well as a three-grand pay rise. I own my own car, a proper hand-made suit and a decent pair of brogues. I live independently.

I'm not sure if I'm addicted at this point. I know in the past I have been able to take or leave weed for months at a time, but since I have been working this hard, it's difficult to turn down the offer of a joint since it just puts all that stress into the background. I know I would be able to stop, say if my supply dried up completely, but I wouldn't be happy about it. As someone else said, I would miss it just like I miss anything else I do regularly, drinking tea, surfing TFP. Does that mean I'm addicted to them? Arguably.

Naturally, there are health risks, and I know I'm not doing my body any good. But there comes a time for everyone, straight-edge or not, when nothing is going to save you.

Ultimately, you're on this planet for a very short time. How you use those years is up to you. I can't look at someone who lives only on oxygen, water and exercise and think 'that looks like fun', just as they can't look at me and think 'wow, I'd like to try that'. My philosophy is that before too much longer I'm going to be dead. I might as well do the things I like while I can. If I can look back on my life on my death-bed - even if it's weed that put me there - and feel content, then I'm not worried.

But don't even dare to call me a loser.
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Old 10-04-2003, 02:08 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Although this kinda thread has been done before and that i am not really an avid pot smoker, i always liked this quote.

"Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit... unnatural? You know what I mean? It's nature. How do you make nature against the fucking law?"

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Old 10-04-2003, 08:12 AM   #32 (permalink)
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no need to say anything further.

each to their own.

good luck too all in whatever you choose to do.

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Although this kinda thread has been done before and that i am not really an avid pot smoker, i always liked this quote.

"Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit... unnatural? You know what I mean? It's nature. How do you make nature against the fucking law?"

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ahh bill hicks was a smart man
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Infanticide is natural too.
Just because something is natural, doesn't justify it. Nightshade is natural, try eating a handfull and see how you feel about natural.

I definitely think sobriety is always more respectable and commendable than getting fuckered-up I don't smoke anymore. I'm not inclined because i'm absent minded enough already, something i attribute to smoking a lot of weed when i was way too fucking young. I'm also poor, too poor to make space in my budget for what amounts to a condiment on the sandwich of reality.
I think using mind altering drugs of any kind is a symptom of weakness(OMG i agree with sixate!!), of an inability to cope with reality. Medicinal use is an exception(stress reduction is NOT medicinal). I don't care if you're "just having a good time". You can have a good time sober, if you're not lazy.
As far as "expanding my perceptions", or whatever new-agey justification you have goes, anything you do every day for years is no longer opening any more doors of perception in your head. Anything you fiend for, anything you need to do to feel normal is no longer broadening your horizons in any positive way.
I know plenty of stoners who just plain can't handle life very well if they lose access to their drug of choice. Tell me how that is good.
I don't think it should be illegal, because it is really none of my business if you want to smoke a plant. More power to you, just don't come at me with some self righteous attitude about oooooh natural this, or ladeedah just having a good time that.
The only reason this thread exists is for potheads to try to justify their behavior to the naysayers. If you were really secure in your actions you wouldn't feel the need to justify them to some stranger on the internet.
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i just lost a HUGE post i wrote in response to filtherton's above statements, and I'm too fucking pissed off to rewrite it all.

basic gist: infanticide is not natural, it goes against the natural order of things. it does happen in nature and in human populations but it's usually because the mother is too young to handle the responsibility of having a child (or in china where couples are allowed to have one child. Girls are less valued than boys and are thrown into the river). This comparison irked me.

as for weed, it's harmless compared to other legal and illegal drugs. It does affect one's ambition, but not to the extent of other drugs like opium, heroin, or crack (or alcohol, for that matter). Taking mind altering drugs can be a sign of weakness if they're taken for those reasons (unable to handle reality), but that's not always the case.

It's a personal preference, and for the most part, it's simply a recreational activity. I don't smoke anymore, and I can handle reality just fine. For me, it really was just having a good time. There was a time where I smoked heavily and it became a viscious cycle. I'd smoke cause I was bored, and I'd find myself bored more often, and use it as an excuse to smoke more.
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basic gist: infanticide is not natural, it goes against the natural order of things. it does happen in nature and in human populations but it's usually because the mother is too young to handle the responsibility of having a child (or in china where couples are allowed to have one child. Girls are less valued than boys and are thrown into the river). This comparison irked me.
I can assure you, infanticide is very natural, as it occurs quite naturally in the natural world. What else does it take for something to be natural? It doesn't really go against the natural order because it is part of the natural order. Lions kill lion cubs all the time.
Humans have been killing babies since the very beginning of humanity. The only justification the natural order needs is for the child to significantly hinder the parents' abilities to survive. If the parents end up dead trying to keep the child alive, well, trying to keep the child alive will seem pretty silly in hindsight because the child will likely not survive without its parents. It sounds cruel, but then again thats how it goes in mother nature's court.
However irky you found my comparison, it is still valid. Infanticide is as natural as any marijuana plant and yet it is not justifiable solely because it natural. Or maybe it is. The important thing to remember is that while infanticide and marijuana are both natural, you don't hear baby killers justifying their behavior with a casual, "Don't worry dude, it's natural." You also probably won't hear a pothead mumble, "Well, as much as i love babies, infanticide is natural, just like my beloved marijuana, so it is allright for me to kill my child."

What irks me is when people use the "naturalness" of marijuana as some kind of inherent proof of its goodness and a justification for it use. Mother nature could give a damn about you and there are a great many things in nature that wouldn't think twice about killing you.

That being said, i am not trying to say that pot smokers are in the same category as someone who would commit infanticide. I am only trying to point out the fallacy of the "it's allright because it's natural" argument.
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ok i was thinking you were comparing the two acts, rather than just devaluing the underlying argument of 'natural must mean good'. I'd forgotten about the lions (where a new male will enter the pride and kill all the cubs so the females would go into estrus sooner and could bear his seed). It just goes against my grain to talk about infanticide as natural... since when I talk about an act as natural, I tend to take the reference as 'something that cannot be helped because it's natural behavior.' Darwinism aside, I can't think of a legitimate reason for infanticide. Point taken though.

I think the 'natural' argument of marijuana is related to the 'not as harmful as other drugs' one. Marijuana contains everything you need to get high, and only requires some drying before it can be consumed. When I pit this against how synthetic drugs are produced (and the effects they have on the body), I would say that marijuana is a better, more 'natural' option. I see what you mean though. I wouldn't say hemlock is a great drug, simply because it is natural
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used in moderation, ITS FINE! quit being so anti, and loosten up. atleast experience it before you make assumptions. I smoke once a week or two, and am in the top two percent of my class... you guys gotta loosten up
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Old 04-21-2004, 07:36 PM   #39 (permalink)
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i'm a pothead loser. i go to college but hardly ever go to classes. so what? i'm doing what makes me feel good. i'm not hurting anyone. ppl want to be successful to finally be happy. why work hard, why stress myself out over shit when i'm already happy? if you're closed-minded and just look at pot like "omg that's the devil - STAY AWAY!!" then keep that outlook, i can't change how you feel about it.. if you're the other way, more power to you. just do what it takes for you to be happy. i've been smoking for a few months now and my perspective on everything is just so much different - i'm all around a happier person. my dealer is out right now and i haven't had any in about a week (!) but i'm not going crazy over it, i just miss it. my ambition isn't any different btw, i've always been like this.
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Don't bitch about people who smoke Marijuana cause it's illegal. I bet the majority of this board who doesn't do drugs or drink...Or do anything Illegal, Still download MP3's. Don't say that's different, Cause Illegal is Illegal.

Let me know the next time a KaZaA user attempts to drive his car while under the influence of MP3s and winds up wrapped around a tree.
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