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Old 05-01-2003, 03:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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PayPal turns off the red light

PayPal turns off the red light

CNET News.com
April 30, 2003, 1:01 PM PT


eBay's PayPal unit will phase out payments for most sexually themed merchandise for sale on eBay and elsewhere.
PayPal, the payment service eBay purchased for $1.5 billion in October, this month published its revised policy on processing payment for adult material. Only PayPal members can access the policy statement.

The April revision amends a March decision that stopped payment for sexually explicit goods except those listed under eBay's "Mature Audiences." The latest revision includes eBay's merchandise in the virtual ban.

"The thinking behind the March decision was that because eBay had already put in place a number of steps that users had to go through to buy and sell items, it would be a logical step" to continue processing eBay's sex-themed goods despite the ban, eBay spokesman Kevin Pursglove said. "But users came back and said this made it very inconsistent and confusing. And they were right."

PayPal users will have until May 12 to process payments for intangible adult products such as online photos and streaming video. Sales of sexually themed tangible products can be processed until June 12.

Pursglove said the revised policy reflected a cost-benefit analysis, rather than legal or moral considerations. PayPal currently faces allegations by the U.S. Attorney's Office over its processing of gambling-related payments. The company is accused of violating the Patriot Act by processing payments tied to illegal activities.

"It came down to a simple business decision," Pursglove said. "As PayPal continued to grow and review internal operations, there were higher financial and other risks associated with these kinds of payments."

These risks included a higher proportion of "charge backs," or merchandise sent back with refunds to the buyer. PayPal also saw more complaints by buyers and sellers in the category.

PayPal has done well for eBay, which last week cited the new unit's revenue as one reason for exceeding its own earning estimates.

eBay has no plans to restrict its own "Mature Audiences" category, Pursglove said.

With the new policy, sexually themed materials join a long list of items whose sale by PayPal members is either forbidden or highly restricted. These include bootleg recordings, counterfeit currency and stamps, water pipes and wired cigarette papers, illegal drugs, firearms made after 1898, humans, corpses and human body parts.

PayPal has carved out numerous exceptions to its ban on sexually themed materials, including what it terms "fine art"--singling out Michelangelo's David as an example, should it come up for sale--and issues of the magazines "Playboy," "Playgirl" and "Penthouse" printed before 1980.

While sellers and buyers of pornography may find themselves inconvenienced by PayPal's decision, competitors might find opportunity in the new policy. Yahoo's PayDirect service, for example, makes no mention of "sex" or "adult" content in its terms of service. Yahoo could not be reached for comment.

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I'm not comprehending the sense of this "simple business decision" and I'm not a dumb guy.

I can almost understand bootlegged stuff like:
"...intangible adult products such as online photos and streaming video." They can be considered "illegal material". OK.

But I don't get:
"Sales of sexually themed tangible products can be processed until June 12."

I think this is a wtf?

How 'bout you?
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Old 05-01-2003, 03:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I've already given up on PayPal and Ebay.

Awhile back they stopped letting people sell anything firearm related, and I'm not talking illegal gun sales to gang bangers, I'm talking EVERYTHING from parts to accessories (All 100% legal to own, sell and buy).

So this latest doesn't surprise me very much.
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Old 05-01-2003, 03:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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thats just weird... they must have gotten new management... new more... religious management...
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Old 05-01-2003, 03:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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EGADS.

i have _so few ways_ to order some things due to my having to live with my parents. i have my own life on here, and now fucking PP is doing this?

everything i do goes to shit.

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Old 05-01-2003, 03:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
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That's just a bit strange. I would think they move a lot of that kind of merchandise. Why prohibit transactions of that nature if it is legal material? I mean, I can see why they don't want to be some back alley avenue for child porn or something like that, but if it's legal, I don't see the purpose. They must've had some stroke of...weird moral superiority or something.
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Old 05-01-2003, 04:00 PM   #6 (permalink)
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we can order knives, booze (I assume), dangerous materials, violent movies and what not... but god forbid some innocent man want to buy Where The Boys Arn't.

idiots (paypal, not you guys)
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Old 05-01-2003, 04:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Maybe there's a legal/insurance reason? Like if they stop selling stuff that falls under the label of "adult" they move down to a lower payment bracket? Just speculation.
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Old 05-01-2003, 04:40 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I wonder if the ban includes subscriptions to adult web sites?
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Old 05-01-2003, 04:44 PM   #9 (permalink)
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that sucks
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Old 05-01-2003, 04:55 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Ever since Ebay took over Paypal. I have grown to dislike them a lot.

I took my first attempt at selling something over Ebay a couple months ago, and was shocked at the double-dipping that they have implemented. One service charge to sell on their website, Ebay, which I understood.

I don't get how by accepting credit cards payments, I would be charged a fee to process the transaction. I am not a business owner selling large quantities but a person who simply wanted to sell some odds and ends items.
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Old 05-01-2003, 05:34 PM   #11 (permalink)
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all these companies are now trying to stay away from the conserative's target sights, vis a vie Ashcroft and his minions.

The pendulum swings back and forth...
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Old 05-01-2003, 06:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The porn nazis strike again
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Old 05-01-2003, 09:06 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I continue to buy ammunition,reloading equipment and, I think, some firearms accessories through paypal. If that's their policy, they sure don't make it very clear.
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Old 05-02-2003, 04:02 AM   #14 (permalink)
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It sounds like pay pal is just protecting their buisness from things like the patriot act.
the writing of the patriot act is so vague and broad, you can violate it simply by pissing off anyone in power.

.......opps I just violated it!
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Old 05-02-2003, 04:53 AM   #15 (permalink)
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more proof that the soccer moms are taking over the world.
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Old 05-02-2003, 05:59 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Art -- At first glance I thought...Yeah this makes sense. They are slowly getting away from the mature audience market for legal reasons. But as I read further I too became a bit perplexed because ebay is still going to continue to list said items but now it is harder to pay for said items. I'm with you on this one -

huh?!? Makes no sense.
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