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Old 02-07-2004, 06:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Warning to Parents

Don't let your 11 year old daughter dress like a slut, or to rephrase that. Don't let her dress like an adult. Dress her like an 11 year old, not matter how developed she is.
Just look at the girl in Sarasota, FL
This happens all of the time!!!
Fathers may live out thier fantasies in kid's sports, but mothers live out thiers in how they dress thier little darlings.
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Old 02-07-2004, 07:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 02-07-2004, 07:49 AM   #3 (permalink)
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What happened in Florida?
thread about what happened in Florida

Regarding the original poster's point...

Um, are you saying something similar to 'if a woman dresses like a 'slut' she's asking to get raped'?
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Old 02-07-2004, 08:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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She wasnt kidnapped and killed because of how she was dressed, it happened because a criminal who should have been in jail for the rest of his life was out roaming the streets.
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Old 02-07-2004, 08:03 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Wow.

How about rephrasing that? The girl was wearing jeans and a shell tank top. That's slutty? Well slap me silly and call me a whore.


How about this: Parents, teach your kids about strangers. Teach them that if somebody comes up to them that they do not know to be wary. Teach them not to leave with somebody they dont know. Teach them to fight. Teach them that if they get taken away chances are very high that they will not be coming back. Teach them that if a stranger comes up to them and says "Your Mom/Dad asked me to pick you up... I need help finding my puppy" to NOT GO WITH THEM. Teach your kids to run, scream for help. Scream RAPE or HELP or FIRE. Something!


What gets me the most about that video footage is the fact that it doesn't look like she put up a struggle at all. Yes, we don't know what was said on the footage. Maybe he said "If you struggle I'll kill you." To that I say teach your kids that the person will kill you anyway! Better to go down fighting than after you've been raped in the back of a station wagon and then dumped in a field. (I don't know that this is what happened, but its a likely senario)

Parents need to reevaluate what it means to be a Parent in todays society.
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Old 02-07-2004, 08:05 AM   #6 (permalink)
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okay, i'm gonna play devil's advocate.

who the fuck do you think you are saying she was kidnapped because of the way she was dresseD?

how do you know this wasn't just some sick fuckerwho would've kidnapped an amish 11 year old girl just as quickly as he would've kidnapped this young girl.

do you even know what she was wearing?


people make assumptions and use tragedies like these as a catapult to their cause, whatever it is. do i think some of the things i see young girls wearing is apporpriate? not always. is it appropriate to use this as some kind of rally against it? not at all

it's just fine to have a cause, but don't latch onto someone else's loss just to get your point across.
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Old 02-07-2004, 08:38 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Ya its called just world phenomenon, Note this is not my opinion, "She must have been kidnapped because she is a slut." People need to justify things that bad things happen to bad people if we didnt do this it would be hard for us to deal with the fact that the world is a fucked up place.
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Old 02-07-2004, 09:23 AM   #8 (permalink)
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*shakes head*... everyone else pretty much summed this up for me...
jcookc6... you might want to clarify your intent of the post...
if you indeed think they way she dressed should even be AN ISSUE here then perhaps you need to re-evalute some things for yourself...
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Old 02-07-2004, 09:41 AM   #9 (permalink)
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okay, i'm gonna play devil's advocate.

who the fuck do you think you are saying she was kidnapped because of the way she was dresseD?

how do you know this wasn't just some sick fuckerwho would've kidnapped an amish 11 year old girl just as quickly as he would've kidnapped this young girl.

do you even know what she was wearing?


people make assumptions and use tragedies like these as a catapult to their cause, whatever it is. do i think some of the things i see young girls wearing is apporpriate? not always. is it appropriate to use this as some kind of rally against it? not at all

it's just fine to have a cause, but don't latch onto someone else's loss just to get your point across.
My thoughts *exactly*.
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Old 02-07-2004, 09:54 AM   #10 (permalink)
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The girl was wearing jeans and a shell tank top. That's slutty? Well slap me silly and call me a whore.
Even though it is a sad story that mad me laugh. I live in St petersburg Florida and that is about 45min away from Sarasota maybe a little bit more never really make that trip. She wasnt wearing anything sluty and didnt put up a strugle
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Old 02-07-2004, 10:05 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I agree that some younger girls shouldn't be allowed to dress the way they do, but that has nothing to do with children getting abducted. Little boys get abducted all the time, and the idea that their clothes would have something to do with it is ridiculous.

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Old 02-07-2004, 10:13 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Makes you wonder why at the time of the security camera she didn't make a scene? Surely someone would have been around to help a young girl going crazy yelling that that's not her father..
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Old 02-07-2004, 02:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Don't let your 11 year old daughter dress like a slut, or to rephrase that. Don't let her dress like an adult. Dress her like an 11 year old, not matter how developed she is.
Just look at the girl in Sarasota, FL
This happens all of the time!!!
Fathers may live out thier fantasies in kid's sports, but mothers live out thiers in how they dress thier little darlings.
Too many things went wrong during the little girl's oreal. For starters, like what Munku said, she didn't make a scene.

She was only 11! Children at that time are still learning, evolving and still trying to figure out who they are. Children see things on television and oh guess what they see? Yep, they see women in tight short and tank top that makes them look like hooker and men wearing low jean revealing their boxer. As a result, they dress like people on television because they think it's what society is all about and hence, that 11 yrs old dressed like a 18 years old.

Do you think children also often get into situations where a stranger comes up to them and grabs them and stuffs them into a car? What the hell are they suppose to think? They've never been in that kind of situation or even heard of it. As they grow up, they'll hear more and more stories of how adults and some children get kidnapped and they'll understand that it's wrong and they should make a scene but in this case, she was only fuckign 11!!! So, don't go around screaming at parents "Teach your children what they need to know!"

Children will be children. Children can't be adults. And Children do what adults do because it's one of their best way to learn.
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Old 02-07-2004, 02:52 PM   #14 (permalink)
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that was the most sensible reply to my post I didnt say the girl was a slut, but from the tape that was shown on many times on national TV, she didnt look 11 either.
As far as Phredgreens reply, remember what you said to me one time, if you don't like it move on. What gives to the right to reply like you did.
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Old 02-07-2004, 03:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
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As they grow up, they'll hear more and more stories of how adults and some children get kidnapped and they'll understand that it's wrong and they should make a scene but in this case, she was only fuckign 11!!! So, don't go around screaming at parents "Teach your children what they need to know!"

Children will be children. Children can't be adults. And Children do what adults do because it's one of their best way to learn.
So I guess we all just need to sit back and wait until children see enough tapes of other children being kidnapped to get it in their heads what they should do in that situation. That's kinda dumb.

So yeah, I am saying to the parents "Teach your children what they need to know."
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Old 02-07-2004, 03:27 PM   #16 (permalink)
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who the fuck do you think you are saying she was kidnapped because of the way she was dresseD?

how do you know this wasn't just some sick fuckerwho would've kidnapped an amish 11 year old girl just as quickly as he would've kidnapped this young girl.

do you even know what she was wearing?
THANK YOU!!!! I'M SAYIN'! I was pretty bothered by reading that they assumed just because of the way the little girl was dressed that she was kidnapped. ARE YOU SERIOUS!? I can't believe I am reading that. She coulda been dressed in a cloak and this sick bastard woulda kidnapped her anyways. This is a tragic tragic thing to happen to a child and I don't like the thought of anyone even hinting at blaming this girl or her parents for her kidnapping and subsequent death.
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Old 02-07-2004, 03:30 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I'd just like to say that I'm not blaming the parents. But I am saying that parents should have the old "strangers = danger" or whatever talk with their kids.
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Old 02-07-2004, 03:37 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I was brought up to be paranoid of strangers when I was young. Once, a woman tried to grab me when I had wandered away from my mother. I ran. Got back to my mother, who didn't believe me. I was rather upset. Maybe I was just a over paranoid frightened kid, maybe not, either way I am still alive.

Anywho, looking at the videocam pictures I'd say this girl was dressed like most other 11 year olds I see? Yes, parents NEED to teach their children to be wary and put up a fight to the best of their ability, even if death is threatened. I don't think blaming it on clothing is the right answer.
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Old 02-07-2004, 04:10 PM   #19 (permalink)
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As far as Phredgreens reply, remember what you said to me one time, if you don't like it move on. What gives to the right to reply like you did.
"Not liking" soemthing someone says and leaving a nasty post just to stick it to them is one thing. When you post something that someone else finds to be extremely contradictory to reason, almost to the point of being vile in it's wording, there is a call for those comments to be called into question.

Your assertion that her manner of dress had anything to do with her kidnapping, rape, and subsequent murder is irresponsible and, to a degree, disturbing.

On top of that, he didn't call you names, and really didn't refer to you much. He attacked your position, not you the person. Yet again, there is a big differece between these two things. We allow the debate of topics and ideas, and disagreeing with a person's position. You cannot, however, attack a person themselves because of their opinion. Do so, and you will hear from us, as you obviously already have.
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Old 02-07-2004, 04:36 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Don't let your 11 year old daughter dress like a slut, or to rephrase that. Don't let her dress like an adult. Dress her like an 11 year old, not matter how developed she is.
Just look at the girl in Sarasota, FL
This happens all of the time!!!
Fathers may live out thier fantasies in kid's sports, but mothers live out thiers in how they dress thier little darlings.
Man, I don't even know where to start...

How you dress does have some influence on how people react to you, yes, and I will concede that point to you. But, I can't accept that how Carlie Brucia was dressed that day had *anything* to do with her subsequent abduction and murder.

Carlie's killer, presumably Joseph P. Smith, was looking for a situation, not a particular girl, much less a particular style of dress. The sick fucks that molest children are in it for the same reasons as your general rapist, power. They act out in order to have power over another person, even for a short period of time, and they look for situations were the risk of being caught is minimized -- it has nothing to do with dress and has *everything* to do with environment. That's why we see Carlie taken from behind a building, in an area that would have presumably been free of prying eyes.

So, if you are going to address anything and attempt to give advice to parents, how about suggesting that children stay in well-populated areas and scream their bloody heads off when someone attempts to abduct them.
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Old 02-07-2004, 05:07 PM   #21 (permalink)
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yeah... what analog said.
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Old 02-07-2004, 07:40 PM   #22 (permalink)
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well there are two issues here: 1) rape and murder occurs in the world, 2) it happened to a little girl, and 3) good parenting goes a long way (unrelated to the story, admittedly)

i agree that clothes should not make the difference, but I do imagine that sometimes it does
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Wow.

How about rephrasing that? The girl was wearing jeans and a shell tank top. That's slutty? Well slap me silly and call me a whore.


How about this: Parents, teach your kids about strangers. Teach them that if somebody comes up to them that they do not know to be wary. Teach them not to leave with somebody they dont know. Teach them to fight. Teach them that if they get taken away chances are very high that they will not be coming back. Teach them that if a stranger comes up to them and says "Your Mom/Dad asked me to pick you up... I need help finding my puppy" to NOT GO WITH THEM. Teach your kids to run, scream for help. Scream RAPE or HELP or FIRE. Something!


What gets me the most about that video footage is the fact that it doesn't look like she put up a struggle at all. Yes, we don't know what was said on the footage. Maybe he said "If you struggle I'll kill you." To that I say teach your kids that the person will kill you anyway! Better to go down fighting than after you've been raped in the back of a station wagon and then dumped in a field. (I don't know that this is what happened, but its a likely senario)

Parents need to reevaluate what it means to be a Parent in todays society.

Very well put, I agree.
lol, I would struggle anyways- If I were to get killed by this guy, I'd do it because I tried to get away, not because I let him get away with me!
 
Old 02-07-2004, 11:56 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Ok, I have a couple of on and off original topic points.

1) my 14 year old cousin has been dressing like Britney for at least 3 years.
2) My aunt just found an open pack of condoms in her purse.

so, that says to me that dressing like a tramp doesn't make you one, and you CAN be smart about it- while we'd all prefer that she wasn't having sex at 14, she IS using condoms.

While that analogy is a bit off topic, it just goes to show you that dressing like a trollop is one thing, behaving like one can be countered with good parenting.

She may not be a virgin anymore (hell, none of my friends were anymore at 14 ((although I was))), but she's not pregnant, or spreading a STD.

And she wasn't kidnapped. She would have screamed....I really believe that.
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Old 02-08-2004, 07:25 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Dress had nothing to do with her abduction -- that's just ignorant

Pedophiles prey on the vulnerabilities and insecurities of kids. They use lines like "Your mom is hurt" or "Can you help me find my puppies" -- Kids are caught because they are kids, and pedophiles know how most kids react -- innocently, as they should.
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Old 02-08-2004, 10:32 AM   #26 (permalink)
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The sick fucks that molest children are in it for the same reasons as your general rapist, power. They act out in order to have power over another person, even for a short period of time, and they look for situations were the risk of being caught is minimized -- it has nothing to do with dress and has *everything* to do with environment.
it could have been a nun out in the back of that car wash, and she would raped and murdered too.
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Old 02-08-2004, 12:59 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Well I don't agree with kids dressing all slutty and all..
but I read the article and I didn't pick up anything slutty?
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Old 02-08-2004, 01:17 PM   #28 (permalink)
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