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Old 04-19-2004, 11:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So I got my fake ID taken by CHP....

My girlfriend was driving my car home from a roadtrip down to San Diego for spring break. We were about half way home (King City....) when she got pulled over for going 75 in a 65. So I was sitting passenger and went to reach for my real ID when he asked for proof of insurance to show the car was mine and accidentally flipped my fake that was sitting in a tray by the dash. I then reached into my pocket and pulled out my real one, along with matching credit cards and cash.
So he wound up asking about the ID in the tray and I told him it was a friend of a friend's that had left it in the car and I was going to return it to him on the way home. He then began to go on a macho power trip and plant assumptions that I could use it to pass for 21 because it was "handy that the man was 22". Well I played it off real well and tried to make him feel bad that my bud would have to pay for a new liscence just because the cop felt it was necessary to hold onto it.
What I'm wondering is if I should feel worried about the cop trying to get me in trouble for having it. The ID was given to me by a friend about 3+ years ago, and he said that one of his friends had left it at his house for years and wouldn't miss it. The thing is that I wasn't caught using it, just caught with it in my posession. I'm guessing he'll try to contact the kid and ask simple things like "did you ever have a wallet stolen" or some detective BS like that to try to pin me for something. Hopefully the cop will drop it, but I'd like to plan for the worse anf figure he'll contact the kid. And beyond this, hopefully the kid will just say 'forget about it' if so...
What do you guys think? Sorry to be paranoid, but the cop was quite a dick for no reason so I've got to assume he's got time to spare to try to screw me over, along with the fact that I saw him take down my liscence number as well...
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Old 04-19-2004, 11:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Why not call your friend to let him know what happened. If you have the same story, nothing will happen. Nothing will happen anyways. People have IDs faked and stolen all the time. Don't sweat it.
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Old 04-19-2004, 11:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Wow, that sucks, I always worried about doing that.

I seriously doubt you have anything to worry about. Cops are generally pretty busy/lazy (sorry to any cops out there!), and he probablly won't follow up on it. Even if he does, it can be hard to track down someone with a three year old license. And even if he does that it's really not worth it to prosecute you across state lines for something little like that. He'll probablly just be happy to have gotten it off the street.

If the worst happens, just say he misheard you and that you actually said you think your buddy left it in the car, but you're really not sure since there were a lot of people in the car, most of whom you didn't know, but you were going to take it back to him and see if he knows whos it is.
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Old 04-19-2004, 11:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Is the fake id legal?
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Old 04-19-2004, 12:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Not to be a contrary ass or anything, but I actually take offense to you calling a police officer a dick because you were breaking the law.

You refer to it as "my fake ID," which, to me, implies that you use it as such. Well la de freaking da, you're not supposed to do that; it is illegal. So yes, he has every right to ask you about it. How 'bout you don't break the law, and he doesn't then have to "be quite a dick"?

This is no holier than thou rant; I break the law, too. But I don't complain if I get in trouble for doing something I'm well aware that I shouldn't be doing. That's just plain immature, in my opinion.
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Old 04-19-2004, 12:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 04-19-2004, 12:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info guys. Yeah I guess I shouldn't worry much. The problem is that I've lost touch with the friend that gave me the ID so I can't contact him.

Twotimesadingo: Sorry for the offense. But I do stand by refering to him as a 'dick' because he really didn't need to be rude with me. Yeah, having a fake ID is against the law, but that doesn't justify him being rude about it. He could have just as easily been un-rude about it, but he chose otherwise, and I call that rather 'dickish'
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Old 04-19-2004, 12:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
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If the worst happens, just say he misheard you and that you actually said you think your buddy left it in the car, but you're really not sure since there were a lot of people in the car, most of whom you didn't know, but you were going to take it back to him and see if he knows whos it is.
That was actually one of my original ideas. What I was really wondering is if this kind of 'ignorance' would work. In the worst case, say the ID was originally stolen or the owner was found and wanted to press charges for me being in posession, would having it in my car, even if *someone else* left it there, still make me liable for getting in trouble....? Again, I wasn't caught using it, just caught in posession. Lets hope it doesn't come to this though.
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Old 04-19-2004, 12:57 PM   #9 (permalink)
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But, if you had not been speeding, he would not have the opportunity to be a Dick

Of course I speed as well, so I would deserve it if I got the bad end of it.


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My guess would be nothing would come of it. they may run a check against that person to make sure they're alive, or not in jail or anything(assuming of course, that he even goes that far).
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Old 04-19-2004, 12:58 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Not to be a contrary ass or anything, but I actually take offense to you calling a police officer a dick because you were breaking the law.

You refer to it as "my fake ID," which, to me, implies that you use it as such. Well la de freaking da, you're not supposed to do that; it is illegal. So yes, he has every right to ask you about it. How 'bout you don't break the law, and he doesn't then have to "be quite a dick"?

This is no holier than thou rant; I break the law, too. But I don't complain if I get in trouble for doing something I'm well aware that I shouldn't be doing. That's just plain immature, in my opinion.
You GO, twotimesadingo!! I've got your back on this one. The cop was doing what he is paid to do...his job. I, also, grow weary of hearing the police being derided as dicks and assholes...for doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing.
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Old 04-19-2004, 01:34 PM   #11 (permalink)
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..for doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing.
So his job would be to take the ID and inforce any laws if necessary. Closely re-read my original posts and realize I'm calling calling him a dick for being rude, not for doing "what he's supposed to be doing", which is to inforce a law. Implying rude or kind tactics while inforcing the law is strictly a personal matter and has nothing to do with the outcome of the situation.
Do I think he shouldn't have been rude? Maybe not, but he definitely didn't have to be. And there is no part of a law that says "if you break this law, one of the punismnets is to deal with a rude cop." All I was getting at is that he was rude when he didn't have to be. I've dealt with many cops before for various reasons, and most of them chose to either take a kind stance or a rude stance. Either way, a ticket is a ticket and a punishment a punishment, so the outcome really doesn't matter, so why chose to be rude about it? I call a person chosing to be rude rather than un-rude a dick, and stand behind it. But don't say I'm calling him one just because he's inforcing a law, I have nothing wrong with that.
Now, to resume on-topic discussion....
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Old 04-19-2004, 01:47 PM   #12 (permalink)
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You GO, twotimesadingo!! I've got your back on this one. The cop was doing what he is paid to do...his job. I, also, grow weary of hearing the police being derided as dicks and assholes...for doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing.
As a generalization, I have noticed younger TFPers have less respect for police. Older TFPers tend to have a more realistic view of the police and what their job entails. I know because I used to think of it the same exact way.
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Old 04-19-2004, 01:54 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Anyone who's still interested in giving some advice can PM me. This thread seems to have gone under.
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Old 04-19-2004, 03:47 PM   #14 (permalink)
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You could handle this two ways:
1) Worry about it
2) Don't worry about it.

Both will affect the the officer's actions equally. Option 2 will be more pleasant.
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Old 04-19-2004, 05:56 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Not to offend anyone, but Cops from the San Diego area are a little extreme. They all do there jobs and do not put up shit from anyone. If they think you are remotely doing something wrong they will bust you in a heartbeat. They don't cut slack because that's not what they are paid to do. I guess living down here, you just make the best of it and try really hard not to get caught.
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Old 04-19-2004, 06:28 PM   #16 (permalink)
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the ID is more than likely already destroyed. He will may check to see if you've used it for identity theft purposes but otherwise, he probably won't follow up on it further than that. It's a kid w/ a fake ID, not really a big deal.
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Old 04-19-2004, 07:10 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I think you may be over-estimating the cops intent. He probably just took the ID and trashed it. I sincerely doubt that he is going to spend any time trying to investigate a possible "possession of a False ID" charge.

The ID is in a trash bin somewhere and the cop probably doesn't even remember you...unless you pissed him off. That changes things a bit.
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Old 04-19-2004, 07:45 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Personally I wouldn't worry one bit about it........
One time (last year) I was bar hopping with some friends and I used to make my own fake id's (a piece of photo paper laminated on a old license) well I went into this one bar...they squeezed it and popped apart and they said "have a good night" they could of called the cops and have me fined and all that fun stuff but they didn't. Other time i was driving home and I didn't have my license with and I got pulled over by a state trooper because my defrosted didn't work ( i was on my way home to my parents house to fix it) he was nice and all and he's like do you have your license with and I looked and I panicked....so I gave him my checkbook which had my licencse number on the checks...so he punched it in and found me out to be ok and I was on my way. But when I got home I remember I left 3 id's from my friends that I was gonna make fakes with. I don't know if the state trooper saw them but all in all I wouldn't worry the least bit, he was just giving you a hard time, like most people said the id is in the trash, he's not gonna waste time on researching an id.
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Old 04-19-2004, 07:59 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Is the fake id legal?
it's not legal unless in possesion of it's rightful owner, if you use one that is not yours, you are committing fraud, which, depending where you are, is a felony.

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no shit, i don't mean to disrespect -EVER- but, i don't feel for you one bit. i waited 21 years to step into any bar legally. if you can't find one that will serve you without a fake ID, or you can't get your alchohol any other way without stealing, then maybe you should just think about not drinking.

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Old 04-19-2004, 08:09 PM   #20 (permalink)
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As a generalization, I have noticed younger TFPers have less respect for police. Older TFPers tend to have a more realistic view of the police and what their job entails. I know because I used to think of it the same exact way.
As a generalization, I've noticed a lot of the "older" people on the TFP make gross stereotypical assertions about "young people" when they have nothing of value to add to a conversation, and instead feel the need to make a snide remark to jibe fellow (young) TFP'ers.

I honestly don't think you read his post in its entirety- either that or you're completely misunderstanding him, which is not his fault, and should not cause him to incur insult from you or anyone else.

He took issue with the way the officer handled it. He didn't say all police are dicks. He didn't say "he could have let me go", he wasn't looking for an out. He was looking for a person of the law to do their job- to serve and to protect. Nowhere in the police job description or title is, "be rude to people as much as you want".

No one is "above" being rude. I don't care who or what you are.
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Old 04-19-2004, 08:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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cops can be dicks about things sometimes but i think that you just did somthing that hits home with him


i got a speeding ticket once when i was heading for a school basketball game the ticket was for going 36 in a 35 seems rediculus to me whadya think. he took the opurtunity to tear my entire trunk apart destroying things that are expensive to replace i sent him the bill and the city tryed to attack me but i had to counter sue this was a real mess but i am sure that at the time he felt he was protecting me although i must respectfully disagree.
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Old 04-19-2004, 09:02 PM   #22 (permalink)
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bleh thats no biggy... dont worry about it. shit happens to all of us.

sense the id is real... u will be fine. nothing can be proven...

cops are just doing their jobs. i dont hold it against them when they arrest me for such things... i just pay my fines and drink some more.
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Old 04-19-2004, 11:09 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Cool, thanks for all the info guys. So I forgot to mention: The reason I was a little paranoid is because a girl-friend of mine was in Chico, CA (very strict underage laws) and was caught using a fake ID to get into a club. Instead of tossing the ID, the bouncer took the time to turn it into the cops, who proceeded to track her down and take away her liscence for going on six months now and are yet to let her know how much longer it's going to be this way. It's a different situation though because it was a true fake-fake ID, and she was caught actually using it. I guess I just like to be ready for anything in the end...
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waited 21 years to step into any bar legally. if you can't find one that will serve you without a fake ID, or you can't get your alchohol any other way without stealing, then maybe you should just think about not drinking.
Yikes. Much respect, but what a shallow way of looking at things. For starters, I can definitely be served without an ID, and can get alcohol without having to steal it. However I'm not sure where you've done your partying, but good luck with having a night out in San Francisco without an ID. An obvious statement, yes, but to say that one should 'consider not drinking' because they need an ID is quite a large statement to make. I can carry myself respectfully enough in general to get a quick drink at a local pub without getting carded, but don't suggest that I'm too immature just because an ID is mandatory at most nice locations.
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Old 04-20-2004, 09:38 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Yikes. Much respect, but what a shallow way of looking at things.

how is that shallow? please explain.

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For starters, I can definitely be served without an ID, and can get alcohol without having to steal it.
Great, so what are you complaining about? and why didn't you get rid of it?
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However I'm not sure where you've done your partying, but good luck with having a night out in San Francisco without an ID.
I live in the Seattle area, and yes, you almost always need your ID to get into bars and clubs. But that's irrelevant because i am over 21, and have a valid Driver's License.
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An obvious statement, yes, but to say that one should 'consider not drinking' because they need an ID is quite a large statement to make.
I suggested that you be over 21.

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I can carry myself respectfully enough in general to get a quick drink at a local pub without getting carded, but don't suggest that I'm too immature just because an ID is mandatory at most nice locations.
where did you get that? All I am saying is that you should be over 21.

IMHO, you seem to have this attitude that it is your right to get a drink. which you DON'T
you are underage.

you give fuel to cases like this http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=52966
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Old 04-20-2004, 02:36 PM   #25 (permalink)
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As a generalization, I've noticed a lot of the "older" people on the TFP make gross stereotypical assertions about "young people" when they have nothing of value to add to a conversation, and instead feel the need to make a snide remark to jibe fellow (young) TFP'ers.

I honestly don't think you read his post in its entirety- either that or you're completely misunderstanding him, which is not his fault, and should not cause him to incur insult from you or anyone else.

He took issue with the way the officer handled it. He didn't say all police are dicks. He didn't say "he could have let me go", he wasn't looking for an out. He was looking for a person of the law to do their job- to serve and to protect. Nowhere in the police job description or title is, "be rude to people as much as you want".

No one is "above" being rude. I don't care who or what you are.
With all due respect......Ummm......yeah, I did read the whole thread. Perhaps you are misunderstanding the point I am trying to make. Let me clarify.

The cop was doing his job!!! When I was younger, I would have thought the cop was being a dick, when in reality, he was just doing his job. It is a cops job to be wary of ANY situation where someone is breaking the law. Using someone else's ID is in fact, breaking the law. The perception is, because this guy got caught with a fake ID, it is the cop is being rude because he is asking why it is even in his possession in the first place.

Also, I never directly insulted Ever, as you did to my response. I wrote a disclaimer first off that this was a generalization, not an attack on Ever, then I pointed at myself as someone who held the same type of beliefs when I was younger.

As far as making a snide jab at a fellow TFPer, I hold strong to my beliefs that if you are under the age of 21, you shouldn't be drinking. If you do, don't act like it is your right to do so and if you get caught, take your lumps and deal.
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Old 04-20-2004, 02:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Haha..... I would get caller ID and hope to never answer the phone if a police man calls or not to be home if he ever show's up at your house.(you could change your story) Tell the cop you found it and was going to return it.
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Old 04-20-2004, 04:36 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Haha..... I would get caller ID and hope to never answer the phone if a police man calls or not to be home if he ever show's up at your house.(you could change your story) Tell the cop you found it and was going to return it.
sounds like a plan...
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you give fuel to cases like this http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=52966
Yet another rude, shallow statement. Did you really just compare me calling a cop a dick because he was rude to a case in which a mother is suing a brewing company? I really think you've created a false image in your mind of me and what I'm complaining about. Please quit your assumptions, they've proven to be very, very wrong.

And I never said it's my right to drink. All I said is that the cop did not have to be rude. This has nothing to do with drinking or the use of ID's at all, I'm not sure where you got that from. This has to do with a cop being a jerk when he didn't have to be. I began this thread questioning simple ideas to protect myself against a rather rude cop, please keep any talk of your opinions on underage drinking and such within your own thread. Sure the cop could have been mad because he related the ID to drinking, but he still didn't have to be rude in the end.

I suggest you to again go back and carefully read my post. You'll find that I never said I use the ID for drinking, you made that up too. I originally got it to get in a club to see a rare DJ for the night. Assumptions are horrid, huh.
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Old 04-20-2004, 05:48 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I just would like to say- why???

Why is it shallow (regarding moon's POV)?

and Why is there a need to have a fake ID? Especially when it's actually someone else's ID? Poor guy.........

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Old 04-20-2004, 05:52 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Haha..... I would get caller ID and hope to never answer the phone if a police man calls or not to be home if he ever show's up at your house.(you could change your story) Tell the cop you found it and was going to return it.
Heh, yeah I figure it'l pass with time. I really that they wouldn't have time to mess with it if charges weren't being pressed.
Now all I have to do is hold out for 2+ months until I'm actually 21. What a pain though. I became quite spoiled after I spent a semseter studying in London and could 'participate' in any event going on

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Especially when it's actually someone else's ID? Poor guy.........

It's all about the karma, baby............
What karma is involved in this? I got it from a friend of a friend, and wasn't using it in ways that would hurt the man that I got it from.
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Old 04-20-2004, 05:55 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Ok, first off you really dont have much to worry about unless that cop is servery fucking bored. YOu wernt caught using it, so you can give just about any story you want to to cover your ass.

Second, while the cop may have been being a dick to you, he is doing his job and a job like that with the kind of people he has to deal with, so be it. Cops keep us safe no matter how you look at it, he wants you to realize that what you were possibly doing / had done is nothing minor. Underage drinking from a fake ID can put the bar in serious lawsuits, you in serious trouble, and others in life death situations.

Third, you are under 21, deal with it. I had to while I was under 21, you either get in places w/out a ID (Out lying bars are best, but I live out in nowhere ville so it was easier.), or just dont goto bars. Legally, you shouldnt be trying to, but lets be real, its fun.

Yeah.. I feel better now that I got that off.
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Old 04-20-2004, 06:34 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Yet another rude, shallow statement. Did you really just compare me calling a cop a dick because he was rude to a case in which a mother is suing a brewing company?

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i never made mention of the cop in my statement. i wasn't referring to that situation at all. now YOU are assuming .
all I have benn saying is that i don't want to hear someone whine about losing their "fake" ID.
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Old 04-20-2004, 07:35 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I was only whining about the rude cop, I could care less about an ID seeing that I'm 21 in two months.
Sorry bout the mild argument though. Much love to all you TFP'ers even if you did flame
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so much contradiction, there.
 
Old 04-20-2004, 09:11 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Please drop it and let my thread be. If it's contradictory, it's because I've had to battle flames from people like you who are poking at all the little things they can exaggerate. If you insist on doing this, please let it go and spend your time elsewhere. I recomend you and your teammate visit AOL Chatrooms if you wish to argue, however I really find no use in doing so. And even though you've proven your vigilance to continue no matter what I say, please drop it. Of course I might come across as contradictory if I have to face numerous attacks while attempting to hush off-topic remarks in the light of the thread. Having minimal interest in the thread's original question really doesn't mean that you have the right to destroy the post with off-topic junk.
If you have any respect for my post, accept my above apology to TFP for the argument and walk away and let on-topic posts take place. If you have any more problems, at least PM me for the sake of the post.
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Old 04-20-2004, 09:33 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Let's all stay calm, please. Thanks

Now...my 2...I think 'rudeness' is frowned upon and not necessary in any profession, and unfortunately, police people have a (perhaps fairly deserved?) reputation for being a bit more so...
I don't believe it is in their job description to be 'rude'.
Granted, it's all a matter of perspective...but I don't find it unthinkable that -Ever- had the misfortune of dealing with one...
Personally, I've dealt with both 'good cops' and 'bad cops', all who were just 'doing their job'.
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:26 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Fake IDs are not illegal to own. What is illegal is when you attempt to pass yourself off as someone of age, such as when trying to buy alcohol. You probably would have heard something by now had the cop decided to do anything but confiscate it.

That said, I think the rest of this argument is ludicrous. The cop obviously was rude and disrespectful, and -Ever- is well within his right to call the cop a dick. Just be glad you got off as light as you did, and move on with life.
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Old 04-21-2004, 11:23 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Maybe we are all just unlcear as to your intentions of this thread.
You say you are worried as to what could happen.
You said you do use the ID to get into a club?
You say the cop was "being a dick", but as I read over your first post again, I could not find a specific detail as to how he was. Sounds like he was just doing his job.
Maybe, if there is legit proof that he was being rude, you could clarify that for us?
I am just not sure what your intentions were for this thread.
 
Old 04-21-2004, 12:31 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Maybe we are all just unlcear as to your intentions of this thread.
You say you are worried as to what could happen.
You said you do use the ID to get into a club?
You say the cop was "being a dick", but as I read over your first post again, I could not find a specific detail as to how he was. Sounds like he was just doing his job.
Maybe, if there is legit proof that he was being rude, you could clarify that for us?
I am just not sure what your intentions were for this thread.
Ok I'll answer each question. Hopefully those were all that left you confused:



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You said you do use the ID to get into a club?
Yep, to see a DJ. I'm not sure what's wrong with that though..

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You say the cop was "being a dick", but as I read over your first post again, I could not find a specific detail as to how he was. Sounds like he was just doing his job. Maybe, if there is legit proof that he was being rude, you could clarify that for us?
The reason I never specified how he was a dick is because the thread is about something completely different. See below.

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You say you are worried as to what could happen.
Yes, that's the point of the thread.

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Maybe we are all just unlcear as to your intentions of this thread.
See above.


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I am just not sure what your intentions were for this thread.
See above, or refer to a quote from my original thread: "What I'm wondering is if I should feel worried about the cop trying to get me in trouble for having it. "


Sorry about any confusion, but I'm not sure how that is unclear, but hopefully you understand now.
I think everything will be just fine though with the cop. The fact that I was pulled over 200+ miles away puts me at much more ease on its own.
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