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Old 04-21-2004, 09:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Six-year-old dies after being left overnight inside oven

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Boy, 6, Dies After Being Left Overnight Inside Oven

HOUSTON -- A man was charged with murder Tuesday in the death of his girlfriend's 6-year-old son, whose body was found in an oven.

Kenneth Lee Pierott, 27, is accused of killing Tre-Devin Odoms, who was left overnight in the oven at the boy's Beaumont home last week.

Preliminary autopsy results indicated the boy was asphyxiated. He had no burn marks or visible injuries, Justice of the Peace Paul Brown said.

According to a police affidavit, Pierott believed the child was "draining the life" from his 2-year-old son, Jacory, and "he needed to kill Trey so that Jacory could breathe."

Kenneth Pierott's mother, Urestine Pierott, has described him as "a sweet, young man that any mother would have trusted" but who suffers from a mental illness.

She told The Associated Press she first realized her son was mentally ill in 1996 when he killed her oldest child, a 25-year-old woman who suffered from cerebral palsy, by beating her with a dumbbell.

Pierott was found innocent by reason of insanity for her slaying and was released from a state hospital in 1998.

Police say Pierott fled the home of his girlfriend, Kathy Jo Odoms, shortly after 6 a.m. Friday when the woman woke up because she felt warm and smelled gas. She also is the mother of Jacory, who was in bed with her.

"She started to get up and Kenneth told her to go back to sleep, that she didn't have to worry about no job, daycare or ironing clothes," police detective Sheila K. Barton said in an affidavit.

Pierott was arrested later in Houston and returned to Beaumont after his father called authorities. He remained jailed Tuesday.
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Old 04-21-2004, 09:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow... Sick. Why does insanity render you innocent? You still ought to be locked up for everyone elses sake!
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Old 04-21-2004, 09:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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According to a police affidavit, Pierott believed the child was "draining the life" from his 2-year-old son, Jacory, and "he needed to kill Trey so that Jacory could breathe."

Kenneth Pierott's mother, Urestine Pierott, has described him as "a sweet, young man that any mother would have trusted" but who suffers from a mental illness.

She told The Associated Press she first realized her son was mentally ill in 1996 when he killed her oldest child, a 25-year-old woman who suffered from cerebral palsy, by beating her with a dumbbell.

Pierott was found innocent by reason of insanity for her slaying and was released from a state hospital in 1998.
Gee, you realized your son was insane when he killed your daughter? Good deduction Holmes!

And 2 years in a state hospital? 2 fucking years after he beat his sister to death with a dumbell? What The Fuck?

Insane or not, this person does not deserve to see the light of day after killing 2 people.
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Old 04-21-2004, 09:44 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Wow... Sick. Why does insanity render you innocent? You still ought to be locked up for everyone elses sake!
Yeah, how about Guilty AND Insane?
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Old 04-21-2004, 09:49 AM   #5 (permalink)
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He killed someone else with a dumbell and is allowed to be near kids? Ok, lemme get this straight. 1996, kills his sister, sent to a mental hospital. 1998, only two years afterwards, is sent home to live with his mother who contends that Kenneth is "a sweet, young man that any mother would have trusted".

Is it just me or is there something seriously wrong, not only with the state for letting this guy out afdter only 2 years, but with the family as well????? Yikes.
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:10 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Oh my. Some people sure don't know how to humanely solve a problem. I have heard too many child-death stories lately, but this one, by far, is the most disturbing.
 
Old 04-21-2004, 10:12 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:18 AM   #8 (permalink)
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hopefully, because the child was not his own, and the act can be made to look selfish, (according to his own statement: "kill Trey so that Jacory could breathe.". And the DA can rule out Insanity. maybe the State of Texas will make make another slot on the docket for him here.

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And 2 years in a state hospital? 2 fucking years after he beat his sister to death with a dumbell? What The Fuck?

Insane or not, this person does not deserve to see the light of day after killing 2 people.
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Yeah, how about Guilty AND Insane?
Well, guilt requires that you know what you are doing. If I accidentally kill someone, such as in a traffic accident, am I guilty of murder? Am I as bad as someone who makes a conscious decision to murder someone because it benefits him in some way? Suppose I was minding my own business and someone slips acid into my drink and I end up killing someone thinking they were a demon trying to get me. Am I still guilty?

If you are insane then, by definition, you don't know what you are doing so you can't be guilty of anything. Again, guilt requires that you make a choice and, in turn, making a choice requires a presence of mind. If you're "out of your mind," then how are you making a choice?

There's another case where a man killed his wife's parents while sleepwalking. He was found not-guilty by reason of (temporary?) mental defect. Is this unjust?

The tragedy here is that he was let out of the hospital too soon, or so it would seem. He's obviously not ready to enter free society but the doctors who let him out obviously disagreed. I would agree that they were wrong but I don't blame the insane (if they are, indeed, insane)...




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Old 04-21-2004, 11:22 AM   #10 (permalink)
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You're right KnifeMissle. This all still sucks though
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Oh yeah, there's no doubt that this is a tragedy. Poor child...
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Old 04-21-2004, 01:12 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Thanks KnifeMissile. I always have a problem with getting angry AT the mentally ill person for their cimes. That's not to diminish the crimes by any means - this person needs to be put in an institution for, likely, the rest of his life. But, this person is not comparable to a conscious child killer.

Really a sad situation both for the child, and the guy who did this.
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Old 04-21-2004, 02:55 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Sad - the guy definitely ought to be institutionalized, for his own sake and everyone else's.
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Old 04-21-2004, 02:59 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Very sad story indeed. Hopefully some good can come out this in that whichever institution let him go will now re-evaluate their standards for deeming someone capable of living within society. I'm just shocked that he was let free after only two years when he had killed someone.
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Old 04-21-2004, 03:04 PM   #15 (permalink)
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not to sound inhumane or anything, but I thank God that he didn't turn the damn thing on
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Old 04-21-2004, 03:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Old 04-21-2004, 04:22 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Kenneth Pierott's mother, Urestine Pierott, has described him as "a sweet, young man that any mother would have trusted" but who suffers from a mental illness.

She told The Associated Press she first realized her son was mentally ill in 1996 when he killed her oldest child, a 25-year-old woman who suffered from cerebral palsy, by beating her with a dumbbell.
Ludicrous. Insane or not...ah hell, guilty or not, now that that argument has occured...he should still be punished, especially for more than two years at an institute. Then the mother is blind for still saying that about her son who killed her oldest daugher/his sister.
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Old 04-21-2004, 04:35 PM   #18 (permalink)
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What the fuck... That is just sick.
This just about sums up all the words that come into my mind.
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Old 04-21-2004, 05:04 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I'm at a loss for words. Mentally ill, maybe; but getting out of a hospital just two years after a brutal murder is not right! There is a time and place for institutions -- this was one of them.
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Old 04-21-2004, 05:08 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Well, the body count is now officially at 2. Maybe he should roam the streets until he kills a couple more innocent souls... [/SARCASM]
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Old 04-21-2004, 05:10 PM   #22 (permalink)
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A character was put in an oven on an episode of southpark the other day. It wasnt for a long time, and the reason was obviously different, but I sure hope they dont go blaming SP now
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Old 04-21-2004, 05:24 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Fry the asshole.

Better yet, gas chamber.
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Old 04-21-2004, 05:43 PM   #24 (permalink)
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In addition to punishing this asshole -what about the mother who let him near her kid?
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Old 04-21-2004, 06:20 PM   #25 (permalink)
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In addition to punishing this asshole -what about the mother who let him near her kid?
If he was released, it would have been under the presumption that he was cured or rehabilitated. If she only had that to go on, I wouldn't hold her liable.
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Old 04-21-2004, 06:25 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Fuck, I would like to beat him to death with a dumbell, or better yet leave him in an oven overnight to die. The bastard doesn't deserve to be alive. Sure he may be mentally ill, but if he is ever in the public again, than something really funny is going on with the justice system.
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Old 04-21-2004, 07:02 PM   #27 (permalink)
 
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Nothing is wrong with your justice system (as far as I can tell, in this case, anyway). The problem lies in your health care system. A homicidally insane person was let free of a mental institution because the doctors there felt he was ready. This has nothing to do with the judicial system...
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Ludicrous. Insane or not...ah hell, guilty or not, now that that argument has occured...he should still be punished, especially for more than two years at an institute. Then the mother is blind for still saying that about her son who killed her oldest daugher/his sister.
If he is honestly insane then punishing him serves about as much purpose as punishing the tree that almost killed rogue49, in this thread (even if it had killed him).
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Old 04-21-2004, 09:20 PM   #29 (permalink)
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If he was released, it would have been under the presumption that he was cured or rehabilitated. If she only had that to go on, I wouldn't hold her liable.
I may not hold her legally liable, but she's still an idiot for letting someone like that near her children.
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Old 04-21-2004, 09:41 PM   #30 (permalink)
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alright, he's done, and never gonna be anything but a liability to society - lets fry him, i mean he is never going to get better, and I do not feel like paying for him....
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Old 04-21-2004, 11:52 PM   #31 (permalink)
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i don't understand how a mentally insane person can kill someone, be tried in the court of law, convicted of murder but with no penalty and then released back into the public. what the fuck?

there obviously has to be some sort of probationary period for people like this. if i were a parent, it would be very hard for me to love or be close to a murderer.
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Old 04-23-2004, 09:16 AM   #32 (permalink)
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whether he was concious of his decision or not, the fact is that he is still dangerous. how much blame can we assign him? that question is debatable, but what we do know for a fact is that he killed two people, period.

it is not moral or ethical to let him go free as long as he is still capable of killing again.
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Old 04-23-2004, 09:36 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Old 04-23-2004, 10:08 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Simply disgusting, I don't understand how human beings can be capable of such outrages.


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Probe into baby 'burned in oven'

Detectives are attempting to discover if a three-week-old boy found with horrific burns was dumped in an oven before his death.

Officers are searching a house in Grimwade Close, Peckham, south-east London, where the child was discovered.

The boy, who has not been named, was confirmed dead in King's College Hospital nine hours after paramedics rushed him from the scene for treatment.

It is understood the infant was not discovered inside an oven at the address, but police said inquiries will establish if he suffered the burns after being placed inside the cooker.

A 39-year-old woman was later arrested and sectioned under the Mental Health Act, but police refused to say what relationship she had to the baby.

Relatives of the child are being supported by a family liaison officer and have been informed of the results of a post mortem examination.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We were called by the ambulance to a baby suffering injuries. The three-week-old was taken to King's College Hospital suffering burns and died at 1.05pm."

He confirmed that a post-mortem examination was carried out at Great Ormond Street mortuary, but said police will not discuss the cause of death.

Detective Chief Inspector David Marshall, leading the inquiry, said: "This was a tragic and traumatic incident and a family liaison officer has been appointed to the family.

"Detectives from the Child Protection Command Major Investigation Team will be conducting house to house enquiries and speaking to witnesses already identified. The examination of the scene will continue."
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whether he was concious of his decision or not, the fact is that he is still dangerous. how much blame can we assign him? that question is debatable, but what we do know for a fact is that he killed two people, period.

it is not moral or ethical to let him go free as long as he is still capable of killing again.
You are capable of killing. Should we lock you up, just in case?

Your first paragraph is specious. When you say "what we do know for a fact is that he killed two people, period," you're implying that there is no more information relevent to the case, which is patently false. Again, if I had killed someone, am I guilty of murder even though I only killed them because someone had slipped me a halucinatory drug without my knowledge? If you had said "what we do know for a fact is that he killed two people, period," would that have been just in my (hypothetical) case? How is it different?

He was in a mental hospital because he is dangerous. I can only assume that they only let him out because they felt that he was no longer a danger. Apparently, they were wrong but, again, it's not the insane's fault, necessarily. It might be, if he was on some medication and he deliberately didn't take said medication but these are details we don't know about. It's too easy to judge a situation without all the relevent facts and all these facts are rarely reported by the press.
There is usually mitigating circumstances...
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Old 04-23-2004, 01:47 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Old 04-23-2004, 09:40 PM   #37 (permalink)
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KnifeMissle,

sorry if my post was a little vauge. i knew someone would come up with that argument, i just didn't really feel like typing all this out...

my point is that, yes I am capable of killing, but I have not (and I hope that I don't have to). I do not think that we should all be locked up just because there is the off-chance that we could kill.

there is a big difference from killing another person as a result of a concious choice and killing another because of coercion. Now that concious choice does not have to include the conclusion "and he/she will be dead". i hope that no one ever drives drunk with the intention of killing. but when that person kills another they have to take responsibility for their actions. how much responsibility is of course dependant on other mitgating actions.

Much like this individual, although he might not have meant to kill the two he did, he still made a choice to go through with his actions. Now was he aware of his actions? we do not really know. What we do know is that he needs to be supervised, and he was not.

what I am suggesting is that the tragedy lies in the fact that this man has killed once, and as a result of his release has killed again.

whether it was his fault or not is a debate i do not want to get into. what upsets me the most was that the system failed that child who died. because of someone's mistake we have one less life lived, and one more grieving mother.

my ultimate point is that if someone has killed and can kill again, we should take all the measures we can from letting him/her kill again.
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Where the fault lies is not a debate I wish to get into, either. However, I do disagree with your assertion that "although he might not have meant to kill the two he did, he still made a choice to go through with his actions" (my emphasis). If he is insane then he made no choice. If there was no choice, then there's no responsibility and, thus, no punishment warranted. A hospital will do fine...

I do agree with you that the system failed the two children and that's a tragedy to be made sad over. However, if we let our sadness turn us into hateful people desperately trying to punish someone, anyone, for such "crimes," then we become worse than the insane we wish to punish. Why? Because, unlike the insane, we have a choice...
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i agree with what you are saying KnifeMissle.

like you, i am not suggesting that we punish the mentally sick. in no way have i stated that he should be hung/shot/drowned etc...

but i am not suggesting that he should be let free or dismissed of his crimes.

he should be treated and placed where he cannot kill another child again i.e. a hospital.

i think the disagreement between us lies in this simple misunderstanding. from what i have read of your posts it looks like we're on the same side...

as an aside...

speaking of punishment, in a just system (of which i make no pretense that we live under) there should not be punishment, because punishment implies that it is a reaction over and above the initial action.

instead there should be disciplinary actions. because discipline suggests a thought out and measured response to a wrong, not a knee-jerk reactionary response.

anyways, just some food for thought...
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