Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > Chatter > General Discussion


 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-26-2004, 10:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
follower of the child's crusade?
 
in 1984 (Thought Police in 2004)

This, to me, is truly frightening. The artistic merit of drawing Bush as a devil isnt the point to me, but that the secret service will "interview" a 15 year old for producing art that is critical of the leader... this is a truly Orwellian image.

And the really frightening thing to me is that these things happen, and they come out, and people are shocked... but no one stops them, no one stands up and does anything, and piece by piece they take our freedoms away.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/educ...68/detail.html

Quote:

Secret Service Probes Boy's Art Depicting Bush As Devil

POSTED: 10:37 a.m. EDT April 26, 2004

PROSSER, Wash. -- One drawing showed President George W. Bush's head on a stick. Another depicted Bush as a devil launching a missile.

The drawings by a 15-year-old boy in Prosser were enough to prompt some questions from the Secret Service.

Agents questioned the teen after being called by police. The boy's art teacher told school officials about the drawings, and they called police.

The boy was not arrested. The school district has taken disciplinary action but refused to say what it was.
__________________
"Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate,
for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing
hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain
without being uncovered."

The Gospel of Thomas
Strange Famous is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 10:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Location: Rhode Island biatches!
You're right that is BS, though the kid should have kept those drawings off school grounds I think.
__________________
"We do what we like and we like what we do!"~andrew Wk

Procrastinate now, don't put off to the last minute.
The_wall is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 11:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
Junkie
 
Location: NJ
Having the President's head drawn on a stick could be interpreted as a threat. Had they not investigated they would be remiss in their duties especially since the police were involved in it.
__________________
Strive to be more curious than ignorant.
onetime2 is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 11:20 AM   #4 (permalink)
will always be an Alyson Hanniganite
 
Bill O'Rights's Avatar
 
Location: In the dust of the archives
You can look at it in either one of two ways;

1. Overkill...'nuff said.

or

2. If anything ever came of it, and by that I mean an actual threat to the president by the kid, unlikely as that is, then you have people screaming that "All the signs were there. Just look at his disturbing art work. Why was this not investigated?"

The Secret Service has an obligation, and a duty, to raise a colective eyebrow. I, however, am more interested, or concerned, if you will, as to the "punishment" that was meted out by the school. More Zero-Tollerence?
__________________
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony

"Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus

It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.
Bill O'Rights is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 11:23 AM   #5 (permalink)
Tilted Cat Head
 
Cynthetiq's Avatar
 
Administrator
Location: Manhattan, NY
Re: in 1984 (Thought Police in 2004)

Quote:
Originally posted by Strange Famous
[B]This, to me, is truly frightening. The artistic merit of drawing Bush as a devil isnt the point to me, but that the secret service will "interview" a 15 year old for producing art that is critical of the leader... this is a truly Orwellian image.

And the really frightening thing to me is that these things happen, and they come out, and people are shocked... but no one stops them, no one stands up and does anything, and piece by piece they take our freedoms away.
If you live in Englad, how is it that American liberties take your freedoms away?
__________________
I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not.
Cynthetiq is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 11:29 AM   #6 (permalink)
Femme Fatale
 
Nancy's Avatar
 
Location: Elysium
Quote:
Originally posted by onetime2
Having the President's head drawn on a stick could be interpreted as a threat. Had they not investigated they would be remiss in their duties especially since the police were involved in it.
my thoughts exactly. But let's hope that this was the real reason and not like á la thought police as StrangeFamous suggested
__________________
I have all the characteristics of a human being: blood, flesh, skin, hair; but not a single, clear, identifiable emotion, except for greed and disgust. Something horrible is happening inside of me and I don't know why. My nightly bloodlust has overflown into my days. I feel lethal, on the verge of frenzy.
I think my mask of sanity is about to slip.
Nancy is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 11:33 AM   #7 (permalink)
Like John Goodman, but not.
 
Journeyman's Avatar
 
Location: SFBA, California
http://archive.aclu.org/news/w050898a.html

So, six years ago that was me (literally). My parents got some lawyers, the school got some lawyers, my record got knocked from 5 day suspension for "terroristic threatening" to three day suspension for "habitual use of profanity in class room assignments" (which is true).
Long story short, the creative abilities of children should not be stunted by people who disagree with what they have to say. This matter seriously should have ended with a short conference between the teacher and the boy's parents. George Bush as the devil, pushing a button to launch a missile... HELLO! Career in political cartoon drawing? Anyone?
Journeyman is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 11:40 AM   #8 (permalink)
hovering in the distance
 
Location: the land of milk and honey
Quote:
Originally posted by Cynthetiq
If you live in Englad, how is it that American liberties take your freedoms away?
ok this confused me,
my interpretation of what Cyth said:
how is someone who lives in England affected by what the US Secret Service does, your freedoms are not our freedoms.

if someone made a pic of the Queens head on a stick, would the British Secret Service not investigate?
__________________
no signature required
moonstrucksoul is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 12:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
I change
 
ARTelevision's Avatar
 
Location: USA
This is primarily a story about the most socialistic system in the US. That being the educational system.

"The boy's art teacher told school officials about the drawings, and they called police."

At that point, law enforcement was obligated to execute its prescribed responsibilities.

Nice try. No cigar.
__________________
create evolution
ARTelevision is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 12:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
follower of the child's crusade?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by moonstrucksoul
ok this confused me,
my interpretation of what Cyth said:
how is someone who lives in England affected by what the US Secret Service does, your freedoms are not our freedoms.

if someone made a pic of the Queens head on a stick, would the British Secret Service not investigate?
I would hope they wouldnt. And because the freedom's of the working class internationally are to me the same thing, when in one of the most advanced countries in the world you see people being investigated simply for thinking or expressing idea's, I find it frightening, especially a country which enshrines freedom of speech.
__________________
"Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate,
for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing
hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain
without being uncovered."

The Gospel of Thomas
Strange Famous is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 12:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
I change
 
ARTelevision's Avatar
 
Location: USA
Yes. As a former art teacher, I saw for myself the severe damage to individual freedom and expressiveness the liberal thought police better known as the Teachers Unions and school administrators impose by dint of their privileged position as holders of power in the socialistic system of education that exists here in the US. It is indeed a tragedy and demonstrates how a tax-run system - an utterly socialized institution - drains every ounce of liberty out of its entrapped occupants while it tends lavishly to every need of its authoritarian oligarchy.
__________________
create evolution
ARTelevision is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 12:57 PM   #12 (permalink)
Tilted Cat Head
 
Cynthetiq's Avatar
 
Administrator
Location: Manhattan, NY
Quote:
Originally posted by Strange Famous
I would hope they wouldnt. And because the freedom's of the working class internationally are to me the same thing, when in one of the most advanced countries in the world you see people being investigated simply for thinking or expressing idea's, I find it frightening, especially a country which enshrines freedom of speech.
then you should be championing situations like in Singapore (a previous British Colony) where they cannot watch movies without them being censored. Pornography is non existent.

All movies have to be screened by the government as are magazines and books.

The tought police setup shop in Singapore many years ago and still live there.
__________________
I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not.
Cynthetiq is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 01:01 PM   #13 (permalink)
follower of the child's crusade?
 
The working class are unfree to varying degree's in every nation on earth as far as I can see. I didnt post this story to try and claim that America had the worst human rights or the most overbearing dictatorship in the world, very clearly it hasnt, I think it is very frightening all the same.

I have seen a few articles about children in school be treated as criminals, being given no rights, being tyranised... it is a very worrying trend, and it is no wonder the youth is alienated, and it is no wonder their is a cultural civil war brewing in America (and I dont mean a physical warfare, but that America is being split into two, one side increasingly conservative and overbearing, the other side increasingly hopeless and alienated)
__________________
"Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate,
for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing
hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain
without being uncovered."

The Gospel of Thomas
Strange Famous is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 01:06 PM   #14 (permalink)
Tilted Cat Head
 
Cynthetiq's Avatar
 
Administrator
Location: Manhattan, NY
which is why I asked you how the rights of americans weigh in on the rights of a britian.

Since you speak that it's frightening, sure I do too. But keep in mind, since history tends to repeat itself, if they did NOT follow up on this issue, and the warning signs were there, people would then say, "why wasn't something done when they had the warning signs?"

so with that in mind, tell me how you see it balancing out?
__________________
I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not.
Cynthetiq is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 01:24 PM   #15 (permalink)
Cracking the Whip
 
Lebell's Avatar
 
Location: Sexymama's arms...
Soooooo, Strange Famous,

I'm confused.

In one post you said it was perfectly ok for Germany to outlaw Nazi speech and to even imprison people for it, but it isn't ok for the Secret Service to just question a 15 yr old about some drawings he made depicting the President with his head on a stick?

It sounds to me as if you want to have your cake and eat it too.
__________________
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis

The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU!

Please Donate!
Lebell is offline  
Old 04-26-2004, 01:50 PM   #16 (permalink)
hovering in the distance
 
Location: the land of milk and honey
Quote:
Originally posted by Strange Famous
I would hope they wouldnt.
oh but they would, wouldn't they
Quote:
I find it frightening, especially a country which enshrines freedom of speech.
free except for one little thing you can't say "i'm gonn kill . . .(u know who)"

Quote:
America is being split into two, one side increasingly conservative and overbearing, the other side increasingly hopeless and alienated
dude. this is America, i don't feel hopeless and alienated. legally, I can be the president someday (if that were my goal). now if i lived in a monarchy, and i wasn't blood royalty, then i might feel hopeless and alienated. do you?
__________________
no signature required

Last edited by moonstrucksoul; 04-26-2004 at 01:56 PM..
moonstrucksoul is offline  
Old 04-27-2004, 01:35 PM   #17 (permalink)
Upright
 
Location: Nashville, TN
Adam:

This discussion among concerned citizens is democracy in action. Remember what Churchill said _ democracy is the worst form of government, it just happens to be better than the others tried to date.

You, my friend, are keeping the spirit of '76 alive and well. A freeman who is willing to stand up for liberty and justice. Well done!

Brad
kycnl is offline  
Old 04-27-2004, 03:39 PM   #18 (permalink)
WoW or Class...
 
BigGov's Avatar
 
Location: UWW
First off, they aren't taking American freedoms away, there have always been limitations on free speech. One of the biggest is threatening the president. You can voice your displeasure, you can say you absolutely hate and despise everything he has done while in office. But if you say something to the affect of "I'm going to kill the president." You're in trouble.

I knew a little asshole in school who everyone just hated. Well, one day this asshole went into a political chat room and just raised hell just trying to piss people off. Well, one of the things he said was, "I'm going to kill your precious president." Well, someone from that chatroom sent a transcript to the Secret Service. Not long after he had a Secret Service officer in his house.

The Secret Service takes ALL threats about the president's life seriously.
__________________
One day an Englishman, a Scotsman, and an Irishman walked into a pub together. They each bought a pint of Guinness. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage, three flies landed in each of their pints. The Englishman pushed his beer away in disgust. The Scotsman fished the fly out of his beer and continued drinking it, as if nothing had happened. The Irishman, too, picked the fly out of his drink but then held it out over the beer and yelled "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT, YOU BASTARD!"
BigGov is offline  
Old 04-27-2004, 05:27 PM   #19 (permalink)
A Real American
 
Holo's Avatar
 
Things like this are indeed double-plus ungood. I can understand the head on a stick one somewhat for threat reasons, but he prolly would've ben narced on for just the Bush devil one in this paranoid climate we live in now. I blame Columbine a lot for this.


I hope Bush leads and long and fruitful life, free of harm...ANYWHERE BUT THE WHITE HOUSE!
__________________
I happen to like the words "fuck", "cock", "pussy", "tits", "cunt", "twat", "shit" and even "bitch". As long as I am not using them to describe you, don't go telling me whether or not I can/should use them...that is, if you want me to continue refraining from using them to describe you. ~Prince
Holo is offline  
Old 04-27-2004, 07:00 PM   #20 (permalink)
on fire
 
animosity's Avatar
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
the kid was just drawing... nothing more than creativity. i draw bad things but that doesnt make me a bad person or make me want to go kill someone. its called art... lets not make it about politics.
animosity is offline  
Old 04-27-2004, 07:04 PM   #21 (permalink)
Cracking the Whip
 
Lebell's Avatar
 
Location: Sexymama's arms...
Quote:
Originally posted by Holo
I blame Columbine a lot for this.



Somebody gets it.
__________________
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis

The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU!

Please Donate!
Lebell is offline  
Old 04-28-2004, 02:01 AM   #22 (permalink)
Jam
Junkie
 
hey i was recently at my highschool to talk to an old teacher and apparently these pictures in the all were from the art teacher himself... there were frogs smoking pot... wtf is with that this is a school.. lol

that kid is just messing around with school stuff... piggy had the conch so he put bushes head on the stick so he coul talk to the thought police
Jam is offline  
 

Tags
1984, 2004, police, thought

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:10 AM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360