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Old 08-05-2003, 08:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Clockwork Orange, seen it? Enough said...

I just wanted to hear other people's thoughts on this movie as I did get the jist of it. That being the corrupt youth who toil, trouble, and mischeif. Then are sent to be reformed. Ex: Prison, Mental Institution. They are returned to society & still have not <i>fullfilled their debt to society</i>. They are always remembered for their bad deeds and are hated by those they wronged. Now, murder and such is an unforgivable crime. Jail or no jail, I have to kick your ass one good time or kill you if it was a family member or dear friend. I'm sorry, that's the way I feel. A wrongful death for a rightful one. Basically, you take a life <i>purposely</i>, we take your life. People are surprised by people who kill one another. It's very quite simple, you see we are humans and as humans we carry certain <b>instincts</b> that we can never shed. One of these instincts is the instinct to kill. The day it is ridded from our bodies will be the day we are deemed unnatural. Having this instinct is what helped us survive before we domesticated ourselves. Now, that we can not hunt for ourselves (Food is mass produced by others) they have taken away our only outlet for our urge to kill or better yet feed to kill. Excluding hunting, sniper for military, jet fighter pilot and so on.
Though this doesn't make killing another, or anything living for that matter, anymore right but.....somewhat understandable.

I had a problem with a scene in the movie. Where the prison guard asks if he wears glasses or contact lenses. I looked at the back of the box and saw the copyright of 1971. "They had <i>contacts</i> back then?" But maybe they were reffering to a "monacle" (Thanks guys you know who you are. ) though if they were, they would have said so. Right?

And, what about those suits they wore at the beginning? Crotch Holsters? I mean, if they were an actual piece of clothing, please, enlighten me.
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Old 08-05-2003, 08:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 08-05-2003, 08:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Clockwork Orange, seen it? Enough said...

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I had a problem with a scene in the movie. Where the prison guard asks if he wears glasses or contact lenses. I looked at the back of the box and saw the copyright of 1971. "They had <i>contacts</i> back then?" But maybe they were reffering to a "monacle" (Thanks guys you know who you are. ) though if they were, they would have said so. Right?

Yes, we had contact lenses back then. And although the book is (obviously) older than the movie, I don't know if that exact line is in the book.

Back then, contacts were heavy glass and very expensive, and all of the common jokes of the time concerned people crawling around on the ground at the most inopportune time looking for a lost contact.
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Old 08-05-2003, 09:39 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Its such an excellent movie, though quite strange and sometimes uncomfortable to watch. Their outfits at the beginning of the movie are classics, Bart Simpson dressed up as Malcolm McDowell's character in one of the Treehouse of Horrors episodes. The scene where he is forced to watch those videos with his eyes held open is sick and how they use the Ludwig van like that against him.....genious though maddening. And the way in which he eats at the end of the movie is hilarious. Such a good film.
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Old 08-05-2003, 12:44 PM   #5 (permalink)
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great film.. but never read the book.. the rape scene is a little disturbing though. kubrick rocked
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Old 08-05-2003, 01:11 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 08-05-2003, 01:59 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Definately one of my all time favorites!
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Old 08-05-2003, 02:07 PM   #8 (permalink)
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One of Kubrick's best. Definitely Malcolm McDowell's finest performance.

I had a psych professor show it to our class. 2-3 women got up and left after the rape scene...very disturbing.
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Old 08-05-2003, 02:46 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Yes, I agree! A damn fine movie indeed!
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Old 08-05-2003, 03:27 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Kubrick is my favorite director... everything he did turned to gold (minus eyes wide shut)
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Old 08-05-2003, 03:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I loved the movie and the way it was done... my girlfriend hated it. I have seen the movie and read the book...

The clothing is just a unique design... just possible gang-wear of the future (the 1971 future). It was not any statement on people of the time...
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Old 08-05-2003, 04:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The clothing is just a unique design... just possible gang-wear of the future (the 1971 future). It was not any statement on people of the time...
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Though I wouldn't have been surprised to find out they were "casual" wear at some point in time.
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Old 08-05-2003, 05:08 PM   #13 (permalink)
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That movie was wonderful... and the book is soooo much better!
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Old 08-05-2003, 05:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Great flick. One of my favorites. But if you thought Malcolm McDowell was good in Clockwork, you should see him in Caligula. Absolutely maniacal.
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Old 08-05-2003, 05:57 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Old 08-05-2003, 10:54 PM   #16 (permalink)
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What I got from the movie is that all the "good" people are just as bad as the "bad" people. The reformers use torture and brainwashing as a means to their end. The old man's instincts are for revenge. The Droogies end up as police. They certainly were never reformed.
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Old 08-06-2003, 12:13 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I must have the coat in the recored store scene.

you know the one.
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Old 08-06-2003, 06:40 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I've seen it and read it... I really like the language they use, which they call the nadsat language. Nadsat means "teen" in russian, and infact the majority of the words they use are russian.
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Old 08-06-2003, 06:43 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Nadsat means "teen" in russian, and infact the majority of the words they use are russian.
Thanks for clarifying that.
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Old 08-06-2003, 09:17 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Nadsat means "teen" in russian.
No it doesn't.

Oh, and the "cock-holsters" are called codpieces (I think), they were popular sometime in the middle ages for rich aristocrats to empasise they had extremely big phalluses.

If anyone has seen the original Romeo and Juliet film, they know what I mean, they are also aware how difficult it is to contain the laughter created by the shear ridiculousness of them.
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Old 08-06-2003, 09:53 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I got the same message out of it as Taxi Driver- that society is so starved for heroes, that they'll embrace any bastard that seems to fill the role. Look at the media blowback in the last part of the film- the guy whose wife Alex and his droogs raped gets punishment when all he was after was justice (granted, not the kind society smiles upon), while Alex, the real fiend, is treated like a media darling because of the process he was put through in prison and goes scot free- and he is one of the last people that needs to be out on the streets.

A great movie, and the fact that lots of people have different interpretations of it is a testament to that.
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Old 08-07-2003, 08:40 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Oh, and the "cock-holsters" are called codpieces (I think), they were popular sometime in the middle ages for rich aristocrats to empasise they had extremely big phalluses.
<b>I KNEW IT!!!</b> I thought I wasn't going to be surprised they were an actual piece of clothing <b>BUT I AM</b>. Don't you just love being right?
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Old 08-08-2003, 02:09 PM   #23 (permalink)
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when i first saw this movie i was like wtf? i mean, you gotta a guy killing a chick with a giant ceramic dick....i almost felt guilty for enjoying the stuff alex and his droogs did, but after i reached the end of the movie i didn't really care for violence
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Old 08-08-2003, 02:37 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I like the movie. A lot.

But the book is where it's at. If you get the original version with the last chapter, Our little Alex gets to see the whole thing starting up again with the next generation after his.
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Old 08-08-2003, 08:12 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Spartak... Nadsat does mean "teen" in Russian. I took russian language course for seven years, it would be easier to explane this if russian language used english letters, but it does not. Anyway, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, etc... is pronounced: odeeNADSAT, dveNADSAT, treNADSAT, cheteerNADSAT, pitNADSAT, shastNADSAT. Since I can't type cyrilic, these are just my best guess of how to spell these numbers, but you get the point...
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Old 08-08-2003, 08:45 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Cetecean is right. Anthony Burgess spoke a couple of Slavic languages, and the nadsat lingo was based on terms from a few of them, predominantly Russian.
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Old 08-09-2003, 03:14 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Spartak... Nadsat does mean "teen" in Russian. I took russian language course for seven years, it would be easier to explane this if russian language used english letters, but it does not. Anyway, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, etc... is pronounced: odeeNADSAT, dveNADSAT, treNADSAT, cheteerNADSAT, pitNADSAT, shastNADSAT. Since I can't type cyrilic, these are just my best guess of how to spell these numbers, but you get the point...
Ooh, firstly that's nice.

Secondly, I was born in Russia, and lived there for a long long time.

I thought you meant "teen" as in "teenager", which I thought was just plain ridiculous as the common Russian term for "teenager" is "podrostock" which I'm sure you are aware of.

And its not pronounced NAD (as in testicle, a somewhat New Zealand expression) SAT (as in sitting down) as such, more like Nahd-tzat/tzit (with a soft sound on the ending consonant). Which is why I couldn't grasp how could NADSAT have anything to do with "teen".

I guarantee, if you come up to a Russian and ask them what "nadsat" means, they will probably keep walking. As it is taken out of context.

Carry on.

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Old 08-09-2003, 07:27 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Cool spartak... Russian is a great language, it's too bad I have forgotten what I had learned over the years... I was glad to still have the numbers in my head!
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Old 08-10-2003, 12:19 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I've never actually seen it.. does that make me sad :S
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Old 08-10-2003, 08:35 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Russian is so hard...Jesus.
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Old 08-11-2003, 01:08 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I've never actually seen it.. does that make me sad :S
go.
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be ready for a experance.

This is one of my favorite all time Kubrick films. A masterpiece.
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Old 08-11-2003, 05:43 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I love this movie, I have the book in pdf format, but am yet to read it.
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Old 08-21-2003, 07:29 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Ha ha the best part about the movie is the look he has at the end when the music starts.

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Old 08-21-2003, 07:32 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I have it on DVD.... its a great watch when I come in drunk.
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