Army of Darkness vs Boondock Saints - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

fugue_life · 10-02-2003, 11:34 AM

Both are considered cult films in most repsect and both are worhty of there praises for being such. What I want to know is which one dominates the TFP forum?
I'm pretty sure AoD is the favorite of the two as far as the outside world is concerned, but we TFP-ers are of a different breed and I was curious

archer2371 · 10-02-2003, 01:06 PM

Army of Darkness and Bruce Campbell (with his chin) pwn j00! Boondock Saints was pretty funny, but by far AoD is so much better.

JimmyTheHutt · 10-02-2003, 05:43 PM

I love Boondock Saints. I mean, I really love that film. It was a heck of a lot of fun.

But you just CAN'T beat Bruce Campbell. It's simply not possible.

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

Kaos · 10-02-2003, 05:45 PM

No contest when you put the two against each other...Bruce Campbell, hands down.

Fremen · 10-02-2003, 05:57 PM

Bruce all the way.
Boondock was cool and all, but you can't beat a wise-cracking Ash bitch-slapping some old witch.

Locke · 10-02-2003, 06:16 PM

AoD is amazing. I wish Bruce could get more work. He rules.

spectre · 10-02-2003, 06:49 PM

"Hail to the king, baby."

kmoney · 10-02-2003, 07:18 PM

This is certainly not a fair poll. Bruce is unstoppable. Boondock was alright, but doesn't even compare in terms of sheer quality of entertainment.

fugue_life · 10-02-2003, 07:58 PM

I know the poll isn't really that fair, but I wanted to see how the two would compare for TPF-ers. I dunno thought I might be suprised, but it doesn't look like that is going to happen

mystmarimatt · 10-02-2003, 08:49 PM

see, i can't compare the two, i love them both, but they're different kinds of films

Jesus Pimp · 10-03-2003, 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by Locke
AoD is amazing. I wish Bruce could get more work. He rules.

http://www.bubbahotep.com/

Stare At The Sun · 10-03-2003, 06:50 AM

Now you will receive us. We do not ask for your poor or your hungry. We do not want your tired and sick. It is your corrupt we claim. It is your evil that will be saught by us. With every breath we shall hunt them down. Each day we will spill their blood ‘til it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, to not steal. These are principles, which every man of every faith can embrace. These are not polite suggestions, these are codes of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil. We urge you lesser forms of filth not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain. But if you do you, one day you will look behind you and you will see we three, and on that day, you will reap it. And we will send you to whatever god you wish. And shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forthfrom thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. We shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.

Loup · 10-03-2003, 07:51 AM

"Gimmie some sugar"

LaZy · 10-03-2003, 08:54 AM

AoD for me too. Its just more "groovy" than Boondock Saints.

bparker805 · 10-03-2003, 09:04 AM

does it get any better than, "Give me some sugar, baby." ? Boondock was a fun and enjoyable movie but Army of Darkness just raised the bar to unattainable hieghts. God, i would give my right hand to have a chainsaw ( get it? ) !!!

chodarama · 10-03-2003, 01:40 PM

FUCK, ASS!!!!!!!

Boondock saints

Solitude · 10-04-2003, 10:09 AM

Jebus. Eight people accidentally clicked on Boondock Saints?! How embarrassing.
I hope they won't be voting for governor on Tuesday.

Renegade · 10-04-2003, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by Solitude
Jebus. Eight people accidentally clicked on Boondock Saints?! How embarrassing.
I hope they won't be voting for governor on Tuesday.

Hahaha! You are correct sir! How could anyone not vote for Army Of Darkness!? Looks like Gary Coleman has a shot afterall!

Lasereth · 10-04-2003, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Solitude
Jebus. Eight people accidentally clicked on Boondock Saints?! How embarrassing.
I hope they won't be voting for governor on Tuesday.

You're making fun of Boondock Saints, yet you clicked on Army of Darkness. Where's the irony in that? That movie is personified badass/smartass, but the movie structure itself is SHIT. At least Boondock Saints can be considered a movie, while Army of Darkness is really just a joke to please dorks.

In other news, this thread can't be taken seriously. You can't compare two movies that have nothing to do with each other. That's like comparing Lord of the Rings to Star Wars. Each has advantages and disadvantages over the other. It would be different if the poll were two movies with Bruce Campbell or two movies in a series, but these two are just completely and utterly nothing alike. One is made for sci-fi dorks that want badass quotes, and the other is made to be a piece of literary work with a huge mafioso/modern cynical/satirical twist.

-Lasereth

Lasereth · 10-04-2003, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by UnlikedOne
Now you will receive us. We do not ask for your poor or your hungry. We do not want your tired and sick. It is your corrupt we claim. It is your evil that will be saught by us. With every breath we shall hunt them down. Each day we will spill their blood ‘til it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, to not steal. These are principles, which every man of every faith can embrace. These are not polite suggestions, these are codes of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil. We urge you lesser forms of filth not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain. But if you do you, one day you will look behind you and you will see we three, and on that day, you will reap it. And we will send you to whatever god you wish. And shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forthfrom thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. We shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.

Amen.

-Lasereth

fugue_life · 10-04-2003, 07:11 PM

"Army of Darkness is just a joke to please dorks"
U are aware sir, that your avatar is a light saber.
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?? Time for u to move out of your parents basement

Lasereth · 10-04-2003, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fugue_life
"Army of Darkness is just a joke to please dorks"
U are aware sir, that your avatar is a light saber.
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?? Time for u to move out of your parents basement

What does a lightsaber have to do with AoD being a joke for dorks?

And for the record, I'm currently attending Appalachian State University in NC. I've been out for a couple of years.

Just because AoD was a entertaining joke for dorks doesn't mean that it's a waste of film. I laugh when I watch it, and I have to say that Ash is the biggest badass ever. But there's a big difference between a good movie and an entertaining movie.

-Lasereth

Solitude · 10-04-2003, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fugue_life
"Army of Darkness is just a joke to please dorks"
U are aware sir, that your avatar is a light saber.
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?? Time for u to move out of your parents basement

Hey, now. If you want to poke fun at the movies, ok. If you want to poke fun at the comparison (or lack thereof), ok. But let's not get personal (That's what private messages are for!)

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Originally posted by Lasereth
But there's a big difference between a good movie and an entertaining movie.

-Lasereth [/B]

So what makes Boondock Saints a 'good' movie, in your opinion?
I'd conceed that there are some good scenes, and good actors, but the movie overall? 'Good' is the best it could ever be described.

Lasereth · 10-05-2003, 05:40 AM

My views on good movies/entertaining movies are hard to explain. Let's see...I could use examples I suppose. Let's take Independence Day, for example. Was that movie entertaining? Of course it was. Was it a good movie? No. It was cheesy, the acting was pathetic, and the plot had way too many loopholes. How about the Shawshank Redemption. Is that a good movie? Yes. It has well-developed characters, a realistic plot, good use of foreshadowing, and a ton of atmosphere, even if it does take place at a prison.

Is Army of Darkness entertaining? Yes! I laughed my ass off really hard the first time I saw it, and I still bring it up every now and then to watch the famous quote scenes. But let's face it...can it be compared to The Green Mile, LA Confidential, Apollo 13? What about The Fugitive, Schindler's List, Forrest Gump, or Pulp Fiction? It can't be compared to these, because it doesn't have the foundation for it. The movie was written with a script for dorks (stop flaming me for saying this, I'm a dork obviously, and I never said it was a bad thing), the acting is terrible, and the plot is incredibly cheesy.

The Boondock Saints is the exact reverse. It has literary merit. The movie is actually trying to accomplish something, leaving the viewer with a bigger message for them to figure out. The characters in the movie are all acted with incredible personality, helping to bring a real-life problem to the screen. It may not be entirely realistic, but it does have the qualities of a good movie.

I know that most people out there consider a movie "good" if they enjoyed watching it, but I don't.

I know that I'm obsessed with game and movie reviews, but I can't help it. I can't stand when people say that Adaptation and Black Hawk Down suck, and that Freddy Got Fingered or Dude, Where's My Car? are the best movies of the year. I feel a need to judge movies based on the same criteria, and I do. You don't have to agree, but it is obvious that the general public thinks of movies differently than some. My girlfriend gets annoyed when I tell her whether a movie or videogame is good just based on the reviews that the people I trust gave it (Electronic Gaming Monthly, Imagine Games Network, Roger Ebert, Rotten Tomatoes). She asks, "How do you know it sucks? You've never seen/played it." I just reply with, "I don't need to see it, EGM says it's a bad game. Their reviews match my personal opinion, so that saves me a lot of time and wasted money."

-Lasereth

fugue_life · 10-05-2003, 10:22 AM

Fair enough, I sincerely apologize for the coment I made on your behalf lasereth. I have a tendancy to "leap before I look" when posting comments.

Speed_Gibson · 10-05-2003, 03:12 PM

have barely heard heard of this "Boondock Saints" film, much less seen it, so have to go with Army of Darkness.

not going to taint the poll with a one-sided vote though

Solitude · 10-05-2003, 08:30 PM

Lasereth, I completely agree with your rating of movies and games in two different ways, quality and entertainment. I am always describing movies with those terms. I can't even guess how many times I've said, "It's a crappy movie, but go see it. It's entertaining. You'll enjoy it."

Where I disagree with you, is that Boondock Saints is not a quality movie. It's a comic book, just like Army of Darkness. However, AoD was made to entertain. That's all. The movie accomplishes this one hundred percent. Boondock Saints is entertaining in part, but falls far short of "leaving the viewer with a bigger message for them to figure out". Because it tries to do this and fails, the only thing the viewer is left trying to figure out is where the movie went wrong and how it could have been better. After a while, the viewer realizes it's not important. The movie is forgotten till the next time someone else who just saw it for the first time reminds them of what a nice time watching this graphic novel turned motion picture was. And then it's forgotten again.

If you did get a "bigger message" from Boondock Saints, please explain it to me. Sooner or later, I'll probably end up watching it again, and it's always nice to approach it from a different viewpoint.

Lasereth · 10-05-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by Solitude
If you did get a "bigger message" from Boondock Saints, please explain it to me. Sooner or later, I'll probably end up watching it again, and it's always nice to approach it from a different viewpoint.

Is it ok to take the law into your own hands for the good of society? This can be debated over and over again, and is typically one of the unresolved disputes in our country. Is it fair to murder murderers and rapists that deserve it? If one feels that our justice system is too lenient, is it morally right or wrong to take it into one's own hands? I understand that this theme is exaggerated in Boondock Saints, but it is the theme of the movie. Their mission is to pick up where the US justice system left off, punishing those that have committed sins and gotten away with it. In some areas, a convicted rapist can go to jail for a year and then get off on parole. Some people believe in forgiveness, and others don't.

I'm not saying that I agree with the views of this movie. I'm actually half and half. The point is, it does have an ulterior motive, and it's the simple issue of "disposing" the crime syndicates and those involved within the US. Should a group of ordinary citizens risk their lives to do it, or should it be left to the US justice system with the possibility of those criminals not paying for their crimes?

-Lasereth

mattevil · 10-06-2003, 05:53 AM

i met bruce campbell so i'm biased but i'm saying AOD

Solitude · 10-06-2003, 07:47 AM

Lasereth, that is an interesting take on the movie. Whenever I get around to watching it again, I'll keep that in mind.

Lasereth · 10-06-2003, 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by Solitude
Lasereth, that is an interesting take on the movie. Whenever I get around to watching it again, I'll keep that in mind.

Yeah, that's the entire basis of the movie. I didn't know anyone perceived it as different than that. If one didn't understand the basis, then I can see how it would suck.

-Lasereth

Beltruckus · 10-06-2003, 01:21 PM

Thats what I got out of if Lasereth, and my view is, I agree with what they do, if I was able to do that, ie: not get caught like it seems they don't I would, but the fact that they would put me in prison for killing people that deserve it sucks.

View Poll Results: which on rules the TFP
Bruce Campbell vs AoD	39	67.24%
Boondock Saints	19	32.76%
neither and you suck for wasting my time	0	0%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

10-02-2003, 11:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
fugue_life Insane Location: under the stairs	Army of Darkness vs Boondock Saints Both are considered cult films in most repsect and both are worhty of there praises for being such. What I want to know is which one dominates the TFP forum? I'm pretty sure AoD is the favorite of the two as far as the outside world is concerned, but we TFP-ers are of a different breed and I was curious __________________ ba-weep=gra=na-weep-nini-bon?

10-02-2003, 01:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	Army of Darkness and Bruce Campbell (with his chin) pwn j00! Boondock Saints was pretty funny, but by far AoD is so much better. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

10-02-2003, 05:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
JimmyTheHutt Psycho Location: Hell (Phoenix AZ)	I love Boondock Saints. I mean, I really love that film. It was a heck of a lot of fun. But you just CAN'T beat Bruce Campbell. It's simply not possible. Veritas en Lux! Jimmy The Hutt __________________ Think Jabba, only with more hair and vestigal legs.... "This isn't a nightmare, its real. Nightmare's end." -ShadowDancer

10-02-2003, 05:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	Bruce all the way. Boondock was cool and all, but you can't beat a wise-cracking Ash bitch-slapping some old witch. __________________ Google

10-02-2003, 05:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kaos Ssssssssss Location: Ontario	No contest when you put the two against each other...Bruce Campbell, hands down.

10-02-2003, 06:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Locke Insane Location: The reddest state ever. :(	AoD is amazing. I wish Bruce could get more work. He rules. __________________ CUBS WIN, CUBS WIN!!!! - Pat Hughes "Don't surround yourself with yourself." Yes

10-02-2003, 06:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
spectre Junkie	"Hail to the king, baby." __________________ "Fuck these chains No goddamn slave I will be different" ~ Machine Head

10-02-2003, 07:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
kmoney Upright Location: My apartment.	This is certainly not a fair poll. Bruce is unstoppable. Boondock was alright, but doesn't even compare in terms of sheer quality of entertainment.

10-02-2003, 07:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
fugue_life Insane Location: under the stairs	I know the poll isn't really that fair, but I wanted to see how the two would compare for TPF-ers. I dunno thought I might be suprised, but it doesn't look like that is going to happen __________________ ba-weep=gra=na-weep-nini-bon?

10-02-2003, 08:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
mystmarimatt Omnipotent Ruler Of The Tiny Universe In My Mind Location: Oreegawn	see, i can't compare the two, i love them both, but they're different kinds of films __________________ Words of Wisdom: If you could really get to know someone and know that they weren't lying to you, then you would know the world was real. Because you could agree on things, you could compare notes. That must be why people get married or make Art. So they'll be able to really know something and not go insane.

10-03-2003, 06:50 AM	#12 (permalink)
Stare At The Sun Eh? Location: Somewhere over the rainbow	Now you will receive us. We do not ask for your poor or your hungry. We do not want your tired and sick. It is your corrupt we claim. It is your evil that will be saught by us. With every breath we shall hunt them down. Each day we will spill their blood ‘til it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, to not steal. These are principles, which every man of every faith can embrace. These are not polite suggestions, these are codes of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil. We urge you lesser forms of filth not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain. But if you do you, one day you will look behind you and you will see we three, and on that day, you will reap it. And we will send you to whatever god you wish. And shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forthfrom thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. We shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.

10-03-2003, 07:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
Loup Pup no More Location: Voted the Best	"Gimmie some sugar" __________________ "If you cannot lift the load off another's back, do not walk away. Try to lighten it." ~ Frank Tyger

10-03-2003, 08:54 AM	#14 (permalink)
LaZy Crazy Location: AZ	AoD for me too. Its just more "groovy" than Boondock Saints. __________________ Ideas pull the trigger, but instinct loads the gun. I know who you are!

10-03-2003, 09:04 AM	#15 (permalink)
bparker805 is KING! Location: On the path to Valhalla.	does it get any better than, "Give me some sugar, baby." ? Boondock was a fun and enjoyable movie but Army of Darkness just raised the bar to unattainable hieghts. God, i would give my right hand to have a chainsaw ( get it? ) !!!

10-03-2003, 01:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
chodarama Insane Location: a van, down by the river	FUCK, ASS!!!!!!! Boondock saints

10-04-2003, 10:09 AM	#17 (permalink)
Solitude Tilted Location: LA and Orange Counties	Jebus. Eight people accidentally clicked on Boondock Saints?! How embarrassing. I hope they won't be voting for governor on Tuesday. __________________ Champagne for my real friends... and real pain for my sham friends.

10-04-2003, 07:11 PM	#21 (permalink)
fugue_life Insane Location: under the stairs	"Army of Darkness is just a joke to please dorks" U are aware sir, that your avatar is a light saber. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?? Time for u to move out of your parents basement __________________ ba-weep=gra=na-weep-nini-bon?

10-05-2003, 05:40 AM	#24 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	My views on good movies/entertaining movies are hard to explain. Let's see...I could use examples I suppose. Let's take Independence Day, for example. Was that movie entertaining? Of course it was. Was it a good movie? No. It was cheesy, the acting was pathetic, and the plot had way too many loopholes. How about the Shawshank Redemption. Is that a good movie? Yes. It has well-developed characters, a realistic plot, good use of foreshadowing, and a ton of atmosphere, even if it does take place at a prison. Is Army of Darkness entertaining? Yes! I laughed my ass off really hard the first time I saw it, and I still bring it up every now and then to watch the famous quote scenes. But let's face it...can it be compared to The Green Mile, LA Confidential, Apollo 13? What about The Fugitive, Schindler's List, Forrest Gump, or Pulp Fiction? It can't be compared to these, because it doesn't have the foundation for it. The movie was written with a script for dorks (stop flaming me for saying this, I'm a dork obviously, and I never said it was a bad thing), the acting is terrible, and the plot is incredibly cheesy. The Boondock Saints is the exact reverse. It has literary merit. The movie is actually trying to accomplish something, leaving the viewer with a bigger message for them to figure out. The characters in the movie are all acted with incredible personality, helping to bring a real-life problem to the screen. It may not be entirely realistic, but it does have the qualities of a good movie. I know that most people out there consider a movie "good" if they enjoyed watching it, but I don't. I know that I'm obsessed with game and movie reviews, but I can't help it. I can't stand when people say that Adaptation and Black Hawk Down suck, and that Freddy Got Fingered or Dude, Where's My Car? are the best movies of the year. I feel a need to judge movies based on the same criteria, and I do. You don't have to agree, but it is obvious that the general public thinks of movies differently than some. My girlfriend gets annoyed when I tell her whether a movie or videogame is good just based on the reviews that the people I trust gave it (Electronic Gaming Monthly, Imagine Games Network, Roger Ebert, Rotten Tomatoes). She asks, "How do you know it sucks? You've never seen/played it." I just reply with, "I don't need to see it, EGM says it's a bad game. Their reviews match my personal opinion, so that saves me a lot of time and wasted money." -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert Last edited by Lasereth; 10-05-2003 at 11:43 AM..

10-05-2003, 10:22 AM	#25 (permalink)
fugue_life Insane Location: under the stairs	Fair enough, I sincerely apologize for the coment I made on your behalf lasereth. I have a tendancy to "leap before I look" when posting comments. __________________ ba-weep=gra=na-weep-nini-bon? Last edited by fugue_life; 10-05-2003 at 05:00 PM..

10-05-2003, 03:12 PM	#26 (permalink)
Speed_Gibson Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? Location: right here of course	have barely heard heard of this "Boondock Saints" film, much less seen it, so have to go with Army of Darkness. not going to taint the poll with a one-sided vote though __________________ Started talking to yourself I see. Yes, it's the only way I can be certain of an intelligent conversation. Black Adder

10-05-2003, 08:30 PM	#27 (permalink)
Solitude Tilted Location: LA and Orange Counties	Lasereth, I completely agree with your rating of movies and games in two different ways, quality and entertainment. I am always describing movies with those terms. I can't even guess how many times I've said, "It's a crappy movie, but go see it. It's entertaining. You'll enjoy it." Where I disagree with you, is that Boondock Saints is not a quality movie. It's a comic book, just like Army of Darkness. However, AoD was made to entertain. That's all. The movie accomplishes this one hundred percent. Boondock Saints is entertaining in part, but falls far short of "leaving the viewer with a bigger message for them to figure out". Because it tries to do this and fails, the only thing the viewer is left trying to figure out is where the movie went wrong and how it could have been better. After a while, the viewer realizes it's not important. The movie is forgotten till the next time someone else who just saw it for the first time reminds them of what a nice time watching this graphic novel turned motion picture was. And then it's forgotten again. If you did get a "bigger message" from Boondock Saints, please explain it to me. Sooner or later, I'll probably end up watching it again, and it's always nice to approach it from a different viewpoint. __________________ Champagne for my real friends... and real pain for my sham friends.

10-06-2003, 05:53 AM	#29 (permalink)
mattevil Addict Location: Virginia	i met bruce campbell so i'm biased but i'm saying AOD

10-06-2003, 07:47 AM	#30 (permalink)
Solitude Tilted Location: LA and Orange Counties	Lasereth, that is an interesting take on the movie. Whenever I get around to watching it again, I'll keep that in mind. __________________ Champagne for my real friends... and real pain for my sham friends.

10-06-2003, 01:21 PM	#32 (permalink)
Beltruckus Psycho Location: Salt Lake City	Thats what I got out of if Lasereth, and my view is, I agree with what they do, if I was able to do that, ie: not get caught like it seems they don't I would, but the fact that they would put me in prison for killing people that deserve it sucks. __________________ The most important things are the hardest things to say. They are the things you get ashamed of because words diminish your feelings. Words shrink things that seem timeless when they are in your head to no more than living size when they are brought out. -Stephen King