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K-Wise · 04-08-2005, 01:59 PM

^ And that my friends is why you can rest assured that bad movies will always make money regardless. (Just messin wit ya man lol)

Asta!!

Gilda · 04-08-2005, 04:25 PM

I have a complete run of Fantastic Four from issue 101 to the current one, 523. More than 35 years. I also have all seven Marvel Masterworks reprints, and I'd only need to fill in the gap between issues 72 and 100. I've read the entire run, begininng to end, three times.

I'd be seeing this movie if they had a Ukranian transvestite dwarf playing Sue.

K-Wise · 04-08-2005, 08:33 PM

^

Asta!!

Lockjaw · 04-08-2005, 10:11 PM

I don't see where people think the effects look bad on this. I really am not. I guess I've been seduced by the coolness that is Johnny Storm(or should I say hotness?).
Ben looks right. Reed is a bit funky looking but considering the guy's main power is stretching it's going to look a bit odd especially in such a small amount. I think it's going to look pretty good. I'm not saying it's going to be Spider-man 2 good but it should be ok. At least I hope it will be because I really like the FF. And you KNOW it's going to break 100 million in like the first 10 days anyway.
But this kind of has me wondering. How long will the long suffering comic book reading fandom that seems to be going to see any comic book related property the day it comes out keep doing so?
I mean with crappy stuff like Daredevil having huge opening weekends and making a decent amount of money how long before the generic comic book movie becomes unprofitable?
This year will be another big year for them with Sin City and Constantine doing decently well. Fantastic Four will do good money as will Batman Begins.

quest1mark · 04-09-2005, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by K-Wise

Ah man yer shittin me. I wonder who they'll cast in the role of Iron Man...if it's someone like Vin Diesle I'll fuckin kill myself

Asta!!

Tony Stark will be played by Burt Renolds. He's a dead ringer.

HA!

guthmund · 04-09-2005, 11:51 PM

Whoever it is....he's just go to have the mustache.

I think the movie looks okay. I'm not expecting thought provoking drama and deep insightful meaning, but a quick romp through the fantastic sounds okay.

Mental mastubation at it's best. There's no reason to suspect otherwise and I'm fine with that.

pan6467 · 04-10-2005, 03:13 AM

I have always been a huge fan of Stan Lee and for years he kept his visions so close and uncommercialized that that was the beuaty of them. Marvel Universe was so much more fucked up than the black and white good vs. evil DC Universe. It just seems now the roles are reversed, Marvel is everywhere and DC has kind of been playing catch-up in commerciality.

Anyway, I know this seems like a stupid question, but I thought in the 80's to help sales and spice things up a bit Stan Lee and Marvel turned Iron Man's main character into a black man. I must be wrong because Marvel would never have switched him back, could have sworn they had.

When I started reading this and saw the talk of Iron Man I immediately thought what a great role for Wesley Snipes or Denzell Washington.... maybe even Will Smith.

Maybe someone can tell me I'm wrong and thinking of another character that MARVEL had originally as a white man and then black...... or they can tell me I'm just totally nuts. Never happened to any Marvel character (I know DC did it to Green Lantern and I believe someone else.)

Gilda · 04-10-2005, 11:08 AM

Well, yes and no. At DC, John Stewart was Hal Jordan's backup as the Green Lantern of sector 2814 during the time when patrols were separated into sectors. For a while, after the breakup of the Guardians, there were several active Green Lanterns on earth, Jordan, Stewart, Guy Gardner, and some aliens. John Stewart is currently the GL represented in the Justice League.

Iron Man worked in a similar way. James Rhodes was Tony Stark's assistant, and one of the few people who knew he was actually Iron Man. When Stark's alcoholism overwhelmed him, Rhodes took over the role and was briefly Iron Man himself. Once Tony recovered, he took back the Iron Man role. Rhodes was given a second suit of armor, and took on the identity War Machine, but he never really caught on in either guise; the fans didn't want anyone but Tony in the armor.

I think in an Iron Man movie, you have to go with Tony Stark as Iron Man. When doing a movie of this sort, you have decades of continuity from which to choose, but it's most common to take the version of the character most well known to the general public, and the version least likely to upset the hardcore fans. That's Tony Stark.

The other DC character you're probably thinking of is Mr. Terrific. He was a golden age character who through training had mastered every sport, physical endeavor, and academic subject available, and decided to turn his talents to fighting crime. The Golden age version was a white man, the modern version black.

Let's see, over at Marvel, one version of Captain Marvel was a black woman, and in the Ultimate universe, Nick Fury is a black man. There are probably many others that I can't think of right now.

What's even more common is taking a male hero, and making a female version of him. Virtually every male hero has female analogues, some--like Batman-- have several.

Lockjaw · 04-10-2005, 08:46 PM

Actually a good one for the white to black is the Beetle aka Mach 1 of the Thunderbolts at Marvel.
A white criminal who turned good. Who then had his features turned into that of a black man(can't remember exactly why) and he's stayed that way for a long time. In fact I'm not sure if they have switched him back yet or not.

And then for replacements you have Steel who was one of the "Supermen" who replaced Supes when he "died".

Fremen · 04-11-2005, 02:22 AM

Damn, you know your comics, huh Gilda?

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Originally Posted by Gilda

.....Let's see, over at Marvel, one version of Captain Marvel was a black woman....

That's definitely true, but she wasn't substituted for a white version of her. The original Captain Mar-Vell (Captain Marvel) had died, and she took the name after she received her powers (which btw, were very different than Mar-vell's), and the press dubbed her "Captain Marvel" after bystanders who witnessed her in action, called her a 'marvel'.

Man, sometimes I wish I still collected comics.

Gilda · 04-11-2005, 04:40 PM

Thought of another one. Johnny Thunder was a borderline retarded white guy in the golden age comics who controlled a "thunderbolt" from another dimension. His daughter Jonni was briefly the owner, and now it's a black teenage boy.

When Steve Rogers was replaced by another dude as Captain America, the new Cap's sidekick was a huge black guy, who refused to be called Bucky for obvious reasons.

pan6467 · 04-11-2005, 07:10 PM

Gilda your knowledge of comic books is scary and yet somewhat arousing..... lol

K-Wise · 04-11-2005, 08:24 PM

^ Yeah totally. And I was never really even able to get into comics! (My parents would never spend money on shit like that for me.)

Edit: Not really arousing but just a very appealing quality

Asta!!

Lockjaw · 04-11-2005, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilda

Thought of another one. Johnny Thunder was a borderline retarded white guy in the golden age comics who controlled a "thunderbolt" from another dimension. His daughter Jonni was briefly the owner, and now it's a black teenage boy.

When Steve Rogers was replaced by another dude as Captain America, the new Cap's sidekick was a huge black guy, who refused to be called Bucky for obvious reasons.

Cap's replacement was John Walker and his partner WAS called Bucky for just a brief amount of time.

And about the Captain Marvel/Photon thing....
Genis-Vel the original Captain Marvel's son is now going by Photon as well.
So the timeline goes....
Mar-Vell->Mar-vell dies Monica Rambeaux becomes Captain Marvel II->Genis-Vell arrives on the scene as Legacy. Monica learns of this and gives up the Captain Marvel title and becomes Photon->Genis becomes Captain Marvel III->Genis goes nuts becomes sane again and is now going by Photon as well.

Another white to black superhero is 3-D Man to Triathalon..

aberkok · 04-11-2005, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilda

Well, yes and no. At DC, John Stewart was Hal Jordan's backup as the Green Lantern of sector 2814 ....

.....every male hero has female analogues, some--like Batman-- have several.

Nerdgasm!

Amazing. I bet you have Who's Who and the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe in binders somewhere.

Gilda · 04-11-2005, 09:29 PM

Hee hee.

Dialog from New Avengers #4:

Luke Cage is talking to Spider-Man and Spider-Woman

LC: You guys related?
SM: No.
LC: You give her her powers?
SM: She's totally unrelated to me in any way.
LC: So she ripped off your name?
SM: Exactly.
SW: Hey! You said it was ok.
SM: I didn't say you could lend it out. There's, like ten of you now.
SW: There's three. And they are ripping me off.

Hee hee. I hated the idea of the New Avengers, but with dialog like that, I warming to it. For the record, there are actually five female Spider-Man analogues. Spider-Woman, Spider-Woman 2, Spider-Woman 3, Arachne, and Spider-Girl. There are roughly the same number of Supergirls out there.

04-08-2005, 01:59 PM	#41 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	^ And that my friends is why you can rest assured that bad movies will always make money regardless. (Just messin wit ya man lol) Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

04-08-2005, 04:25 PM	#42 (permalink)
Gilda 32 flavors and then some Location: Out on a wire.	I have a complete run of Fantastic Four from issue 101 to the current one, 523. More than 35 years. I also have all seven Marvel Masterworks reprints, and I'd only need to fill in the gap between issues 72 and 100. I've read the entire run, begininng to end, three times. I'd be seeing this movie if they had a Ukranian transvestite dwarf playing Sue. Last edited by Gilda; 04-10-2005 at 12:11 AM.. Reason: Spelling.

04-08-2005, 08:33 PM	#43 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	^ Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

04-09-2005, 11:51 PM	#46 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	Whoever it is....he's just go to have the mustache. I think the movie looks okay. I'm not expecting thought provoking drama and deep insightful meaning, but a quick romp through the fantastic sounds okay. Mental mastubation at it's best. There's no reason to suspect otherwise and I'm fine with that. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

04-10-2005, 03:13 AM	#47 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I have always been a huge fan of Stan Lee and for years he kept his visions so close and uncommercialized that that was the beuaty of them. Marvel Universe was so much more fucked up than the black and white good vs. evil DC Universe. It just seems now the roles are reversed, Marvel is everywhere and DC has kind of been playing catch-up in commerciality. Anyway, I know this seems like a stupid question, but I thought in the 80's to help sales and spice things up a bit Stan Lee and Marvel turned Iron Man's main character into a black man. I must be wrong because Marvel would never have switched him back, could have sworn they had. When I started reading this and saw the talk of Iron Man I immediately thought what a great role for Wesley Snipes or Denzell Washington.... maybe even Will Smith. Maybe someone can tell me I'm wrong and thinking of another character that MARVEL had originally as a white man and then black...... or they can tell me I'm just totally nuts. Never happened to any Marvel character (I know DC did it to Green Lantern and I believe someone else.) __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

04-08-2005, 10:11 PM	#44 (permalink)
Lockjaw Junkie	I don't see where people think the effects look bad on this. I really am not. I guess I've been seduced by the coolness that is Johnny Storm(or should I say hotness?). Ben looks right. Reed is a bit funky looking but considering the guy's main power is stretching it's going to look a bit odd especially in such a small amount. I think it's going to look pretty good. I'm not saying it's going to be Spider-man 2 good but it should be ok. At least I hope it will be because I really like the FF. And you KNOW it's going to break 100 million in like the first 10 days anyway. But this kind of has me wondering. How long will the long suffering comic book reading fandom that seems to be going to see any comic book related property the day it comes out keep doing so? I mean with crappy stuff like Daredevil having huge opening weekends and making a decent amount of money how long before the generic comic book movie becomes unprofitable? This year will be another big year for them with Sin City and Constantine doing decently well. Fantastic Four will do good money as will Batman Begins.

04-10-2005, 11:08 AM	#48 (permalink)
Gilda 32 flavors and then some Location: Out on a wire.	Well, yes and no. At DC, John Stewart was Hal Jordan's backup as the Green Lantern of sector 2814 during the time when patrols were separated into sectors. For a while, after the breakup of the Guardians, there were several active Green Lanterns on earth, Jordan, Stewart, Guy Gardner, and some aliens. John Stewart is currently the GL represented in the Justice League. Iron Man worked in a similar way. James Rhodes was Tony Stark's assistant, and one of the few people who knew he was actually Iron Man. When Stark's alcoholism overwhelmed him, Rhodes took over the role and was briefly Iron Man himself. Once Tony recovered, he took back the Iron Man role. Rhodes was given a second suit of armor, and took on the identity War Machine, but he never really caught on in either guise; the fans didn't want anyone but Tony in the armor. I think in an Iron Man movie, you have to go with Tony Stark as Iron Man. When doing a movie of this sort, you have decades of continuity from which to choose, but it's most common to take the version of the character most well known to the general public, and the version least likely to upset the hardcore fans. That's Tony Stark. The other DC character you're probably thinking of is Mr. Terrific. He was a golden age character who through training had mastered every sport, physical endeavor, and academic subject available, and decided to turn his talents to fighting crime. The Golden age version was a white man, the modern version black. Let's see, over at Marvel, one version of Captain Marvel was a black woman, and in the Ultimate universe, Nick Fury is a black man. There are probably many others that I can't think of right now. What's even more common is taking a male hero, and making a female version of him. Virtually every male hero has female analogues, some--like Batman-- have several. __________________ I'm against ending blackness. I believe that everyone has a right to be black, it's a choice, and I support that. ~Steven Colbert Last edited by Gilda; 04-10-2005 at 11:13 AM..

04-10-2005, 08:46 PM	#49 (permalink)
Lockjaw Junkie	Actually a good one for the white to black is the Beetle aka Mach 1 of the Thunderbolts at Marvel. A white criminal who turned good. Who then had his features turned into that of a black man(can't remember exactly why) and he's stayed that way for a long time. In fact I'm not sure if they have switched him back yet or not. And then for replacements you have Steel who was one of the "Supermen" who replaced Supes when he "died".

04-11-2005, 04:40 PM	#51 (permalink)
Gilda 32 flavors and then some Location: Out on a wire.	Thought of another one. Johnny Thunder was a borderline retarded white guy in the golden age comics who controlled a "thunderbolt" from another dimension. His daughter Jonni was briefly the owner, and now it's a black teenage boy. When Steve Rogers was replaced by another dude as Captain America, the new Cap's sidekick was a huge black guy, who refused to be called Bucky for obvious reasons.

04-11-2005, 07:10 PM	#52 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Gilda your knowledge of comic books is scary and yet somewhat arousing..... lol __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

04-11-2005, 08:24 PM	#53 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	^ Yeah totally. And I was never really even able to get into comics! (My parents would never spend money on shit like that for me.) Edit: Not really arousing but just a very appealing quality Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

04-11-2005, 09:29 PM	#56 (permalink)
Gilda 32 flavors and then some Location: Out on a wire.	Hee hee. Dialog from New Avengers #4: Luke Cage is talking to Spider-Man and Spider-Woman LC: You guys related? SM: No. LC: You give her her powers? SM: She's totally unrelated to me in any way. LC: So she ripped off your name? SM: Exactly. SW: Hey! You said it was ok. SM: I didn't say you could lend it out. There's, like ten of you now. SW: There's three. And they are ripping me off. Hee hee. I hated the idea of the New Avengers, but with dialog like that, I warming to it. For the record, there are actually five female Spider-Man analogues. Spider-Woman, Spider-Woman 2, Spider-Woman 3, Arachne, and Spider-Girl. There are roughly the same number of Supergirls out there. __________________ I'm against ending blackness. I believe that everyone has a right to be black, it's a choice, and I support that. ~Steven Colbert