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Old 08-15-2003, 06:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It's not news that many Christians don't approve on Dungeons and Dragons. I recently read an article on the negatives of DnD through the eyes of (some) Christians.

Here's a couple of highlights from it:

A central Washington police department asks as a standard question of
those arrested: "Are you a participant of Fantasy Role Games?" Another source
stated that 60 suicides were directly attributed to D&D in 1981.

One of the book's author says that in D&D good is given far more attention than evil, but a 40-hour-per-week player claims that it is better to be evil because you can do evil things and get away with them. An FRP games representative stated in The Milwaukee Journal, 11/5/81, that "these games are teaching the difference between right and wrong." In D&D even lawful good characters kill many other human characters in the name of duty to eradicate evil.

The words demon, devil and hell appear a total of 225 times in eight pages of Deities and Demigods (pages 16-23), and encourages the worship of them as lesser gods (page 105).

Anddd, My Personal Favorite:

Dr. Gary North, a Christian economist, author of the book None Dare Call It Witchcraft, and editor of the Remnant Review, said this: "Without any doubt in my own mind, after years of study of the history of occultism, after having researched historical research, I can say with confidence: These games are the most effective, most magnificently packaged, most profitably marked,
most thoroughly researched introduction to the occult in man's recorded history, period. This is NO game." (Remnant Review, 12/5/80)


Check out the rest of this Mini-Article here:
http://www.webzonecom.com/ccn/cults/satn07.txt
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Old 08-15-2003, 06:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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As much fun as it is to laugh at these people, it kinda makes me wonder what my kids are going to do someday that I will think is evil.
But that's still many many years off, so let's laugh.
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Old 08-15-2003, 06:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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http://www.hoboes.com/html/RPG/Defense.html

The quantity of slander against role playing is disturbingly large. To my knowledge there has never been a *single* death attributed to RPGs that stood up to fact checking. On the other hand there have been something like 1,800 accused ones. The most famous of which was published by Patricia Pulling, and actually taken thru Court. Interesting thing was the boy who had hypothetically committed suicide never even existed.

There is a lot of literature out there on this subject, but only one side bothers to do any fact checking.

heres a quick quote from one paper for those who don't want to bother doing any clicking.
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BADD estimated 4 million gamers worldwide (this number has increased since then), and with the average suicide rate, this means 500 gamers would commit suicide each year. As of 1987, BADD had documented an average of seven suicides of gamers a year, meaning D&D actually lowers the suicide rate (5).

James Forest and Suzanne Abyeta studied criminal tendencies of people who played RPG's and found that fewer crimes were committed by gamers than the average for each age group. The Association of Gifted-Creative Children of California endorses D&D for its educational content. After surveying psychological autopsies of adolescent suicides, they found no links to D&D (5).

No links between D&D and teen suicides were found after extensive studies by The American Association of Suicidology, The Center for Disease Control, and Health & Welfare (Canada).

Dr. S. Kenneth Schonbert studied over 700 adolescent suicides and found that D&D was not a factor in any of them. Luis H. Zayas found D&D can help treat disruptive eight and nine year olds. FBI Supervisory Special Agent Kenneth Lanning states in his book that there are no connections between RPG's and crime (6).
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Old 08-15-2003, 09:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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People are so stupid...They take everything out of proportion cuz they like to ruin peoples fun!
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Old 08-15-2003, 11:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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...but some are just fucking retarded.
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Old 08-15-2003, 11:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Why would a gamer want to commit suicide? I mean... HL2, Doom3, Halo2, Soul Caliber 2 (in english), Jedi Academy, and more! You can contemplate suicide when there is a lull in the good games department, but wait a few months and it always gets better (if not, break out the classics).
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Old 08-15-2003, 11:59 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 08-16-2003, 11:39 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 08-16-2003, 12:43 PM   #9 (permalink)
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stupid close minded people. Alas, not much you can do. I wonder if warhammer 40k is a satan game...cause Chaos has gods, demons/daemons etc etc
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Old 08-16-2003, 12:50 PM   #10 (permalink)
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As a christian I'd like to point out that nowhere in the bible does it say playing fantasy RPGs or rolling dice is evil and means you are going to hell.

These are just interpretations of a few individuals and to think that everyone who believes in the same religion as them thinks the same way is just as ignorant.
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Old 08-16-2003, 01:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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yeah... this is crazy stuff...

I actually wrote a paper about this last semester well gaming in general, so i touched both topics electronic and P&P...

I wonder if I can find the article where they guy said that in NO way is D&D the occult. Another article was how a Psychologist used a kid's D&D sessions to help him open up by relating thru his character. As he did things thru his character he learned about himself, and was able to become an able-bodied individual...

I remember playing D&D.... and beating up deamons, and banishing them from this world. I remember beating up thugs, and thus making it a better place (even tho there was always something else ).

Here's a good one for you.. They say "demon" is mentioned a lot.. Now I ask you this: How many times is "Satan" printed in the Bible?
................ Hmm this leads me to believe that the bible promotes evil and evil ways, as it shows you how to follow satan and helps children to know what are sins, so they can be better sinners.....
(Ain't it great to turn things back around? )

And yes, I am a christian myself.
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Old 08-16-2003, 09:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Remeber the whole anti-Harry Potter compaign? Some schools banned it, and I think i remember hearing about a book burning somewhere?
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Old 08-16-2003, 10:03 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Just so you know mass murders are at an almost 100% record for having a bible.
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Old 08-16-2003, 11:56 PM   #14 (permalink)
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People should remember that Nazi's burned books.

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Old 08-18-2003, 03:02 PM   #15 (permalink)
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What the hell is a christian economist and why would anyone need one?
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Old 09-26-2003, 09:54 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Its called Scapegoating..
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Old 09-26-2003, 09:59 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Just so you know mass murders are at an almost 100% record for having a bible.
Most of them owned dicitonarys and encyclopedias. . . evillllllll
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Old 09-27-2003, 12:04 PM   #18 (permalink)
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My high school banned "Magic:the gathering" from being played on school grounds because parents felt it had an evil "satanic" influence on our fragile high school minds. People are morons
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Old 09-28-2003, 08:18 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Best...thread title....ever

When I was 15 or so, my mother bought a book called "Like lambs to the Slaughter". It told all about the evil's of dnd and how if you watched star wars you were doomed to an eternity in hell. I think she bought into for about a year before she gave up and moved on. I keep meaning to pick up a copy of it for shit's and grins someday.
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Old 09-30-2003, 04:29 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Famed author Michael Stackpole wrote a fantastic rebuttle to all these sorts of claims a few years ago. You can find it here: http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

Its pretty good stuff.

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Old 09-30-2003, 05:27 PM   #21 (permalink)
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When I was about 10 or 11 years old (20 years ago, damn I feel old), my mother caught onto the "D&D is evil" thing and started to worry about me playing. I invited her to play and ran her through an adventure or two. When she saw what it was all about, she backed off. I have a cool Mom.
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Old 09-30-2003, 09:03 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Its amazing how quickly people blame something they don't understand for all the worlds ills.
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Old 10-01-2003, 06:24 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I had to talk to a reporter back in the 80's about this. I was president of our local gaming club. Right after that stupid movie came out, where the kid in the gaming group couldn't tell fantasy from the "real world (tm)".

The reporter did a good job, and even started coming to games after the article.

Oh, and fugue_life, Magic:The gathering should be banned from schools. It is worse than crack (YuGiOh is the current "banned" game from my kids school, but mainly because the kids are distracted from doing school work.)
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