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Old 08-26-2003, 08:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Alright, let me bring up the topic that will probably get people angry, Crystal Cronicles. As many of you know this game will require a GBA to play mulitplayer, and many people are shitting bricks, and i dont know why. So i thought that i would post something from penny-arcade, to help explain to all the stupid people out there who just cant understand how great of an idea this is!____________________________________________________

I have been meaning to talk about Crystal Chronicles for a while now but I’ve just been playing it instead. I took a break to check out some forums and get some tips when I saw this post:

From: OSX | Posted: 8/20/2003 9:01:44 PM | Message Detail

Dont call me a newb i just wanna know.

So, you need 4 GBA's to play multiplayer? Because if thats that case, nintendo and square have just made the biggest mistake ever...

My immediate reaction is to call this guy a fucking shitstick but then I thought “No. He’s not a shitstick, he is just uninformed.” Since I’ve seen this same comment made by lots of people recently and I figured since I’ve actually played the game with four players I should address it here and perhaps ease some fears.

First of all yes it is true that in order to play with four players each person needs their own GBA. While it might sound odd at first, in practice it ends up being fucking brilliant. Imagine that you are playing with three other people. If you haven’t seen the game it’s not played in split screen. Picture a game like Hunter or Zombie Revenge. You’re all on the same screen fighting monsters and picking up loot. Now imagine that you need to access your inventory so that you can equip a new spell you picked up. Were it not for the GBA’s you would have to pause the game in order to bring up your inventory. Meanwhile no one else in your party can do shit because your cycling through menu screens looking for that new Ice spell you just grabbed. That’s bullshit and it would never work.

Instead what happens is that you hit the select button on your GBA and immediately you have access to your entire inventory and character customization menus via the GBA screen. You can sit there and alphabetize your items if you want and you aren’t bothering anyone else. The game is continuing on without you and your character automatically moves to keep up with the rest of the party. The other thing it allows is for multiple people to be using their inventories at the same time. I can be dropping Money for one person while he is dropping a spell for me. Fucking brilliant! This sort of thing would never be possible without the GBA.

Square also uses the GBA connectivity in other cool ways. One person in your party will have access to the map of the level you are in. It’s random so you never know who will be the navigator from level to level. You’re also given goals via your GBA screen before levels begin. Certain things like “Only use magic to kill monsters” or “don’t pick up any items”. Everyone is graded at the end of the level according to how well they accomplished these goals and the people with the highest scores get first dibs on specific kinds of loot picked up by the party during the level.

As wonderful and fantastic and totally fucking bad ass Crystal Chronicles is I will say that I think someone will die because of this game. That’s right, I believe it is only a matter of time before someone kills their friend because of his or her actions in this game. Let me give you some examples of the sort of behavior I have seen spark fights among our own group.

One of the most common ways for a fight to break out is over what we refer to as “Dropping the bucket short.” In case you don’t know the world of Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles is poisoned and your party carries with it a magical container (the bucket). This container creates a magic bubble around our party that all characters must remain inside if they don’t want to die. In order to progress through the level someone obviously has to carry this bucket around. While holding the bucket a player can’t really do much of anything else. They have to keep an eye on all the other players and make sure that the bubble they are casting is safely covering the entire party. Players that dash off without warning the bucket man often find themselves on the wrong side of the bubble and in a world of hurt. As you can see bucket management is a very important job. It’s easy for the bucket man to get blamed for all kinds of tragedies that might befall the group. “Well if you had just moved the bucket over here I could have killed that guy!” This is where “Dropping the bucket short” comes in. Monster X appears on the edge of the screen and the party rushes to engage him. The bucket man drops the bucket in order to join the fray but misjudges the size of his bubble and fails to envelope the monster in it. Now the monster sits just outside the bubble firing projectile attacks into it and picking off your party one by one. Meanwhile the members of your group must now brave the poisoned landscape beyond the bubble in order to battle this beast. This is often a lost cause as not only is the monster beating up on them but the very air around them causes massive amounts of damage. It’s not unheard of for an entire party to die this way, simply because of a bucket that was dropped short.

In our group the bucket man is Robert and there have been times when I thought that Porkfry was actually going to kill him. You see Pork carries a knife that he refers to as Mr. Stabby and it’s already tasted human blood. Recently Pork produced said knife after a particularly disastrous bucket drop left our entire party in spirit form. He waved it menacingly at Robert and as the rest off us held him back he screamed that he was going to “CUT THAT BITCHES FACE!” It took quite a bit of talking and consoling before I was sure that no ones face was going to be cut. This time everyone survived but who knows if we will be as lucky next time.

Later I’ll tell you about item hording and lollygagging and how it can lead to broken bones and punctured lungs.

-Gabe out
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Old 08-26-2003, 11:05 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Not exactly generating content, hey what?
I did think the most telling detail was the posting of charts that indicate the sheer number of GBAs. Finding a GameCube, as Tycho said, is harder than finding a few GBAs. I was planning on getting a GBA, and I know a few friends who have them, so Crystal Chronicles is on my list.
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Old 08-26-2003, 11:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Well, I'm willing to bet that most GC owners have a GBA or are considering to get one...

Since GBA owns like 99% of the handheld market, I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them go out and buy the GC and FF:CC because the GC looks like another price drop is in range.
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Old 08-26-2003, 11:24 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Crystal Chronicles looks awesome, and i think the GBA thing is really cool. It makes things so much cooler when someone needs to go into their menu or whatever it wont stop the game, i think its cool.
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Old 08-26-2003, 04:09 PM   #5 (permalink)
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From the sounds of it,someone should kill Porkfry in his sleep.


"Cut that bitches face" over a video game is rediculous.



Anyways,sounds like a cool game minus the bucket thing.
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Old 08-26-2003, 08:04 PM   #6 (permalink)
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From the sounds of it,someone should kill Porkfry in his sleep.
"Cut that bitches face" over a video game is rediculous.
This is a web comic. Hyperbole is sometimes necessary for comic effect.
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Old 08-26-2003, 08:15 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I guess it's finally time to get a GC. Odd, how both times that I've been prompted to buy a console since my Sega genesis that it's been because of a Final Fantasy game.
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Old 08-26-2003, 08:20 PM   #8 (permalink)
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i'll get this game to play by myself...thats more important for me.
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Old 08-27-2003, 08:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I will get this game.
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Old 08-28-2003, 10:47 AM   #10 (permalink)
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yes it is. But i cant wait to play multiplayer, i havent had a great multiplayer game like this since Secret of Mana.
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Old 08-28-2003, 04:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm not going to buy FF:CC exactly for this reason. I don't own a gameboy and I sure as hell am not going to buy several of them so I can play a game on my console which I already own 4 controllers for. It is as simple as that.
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Old 08-28-2003, 06:09 PM   #12 (permalink)
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you dont have to have a gameboy to play single player....and who doesnt own a gameboy these days. Thats just un-American.
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Old 08-28-2003, 09:04 PM   #13 (permalink)
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FF:CC was really designed to be played multiplayer. It is an action RPG, but they totally limit the players by limiting to number of gameboys. Does anyone here have three friends that all have gameboys? I bet that more people here have 4 controllers than those that have 4 gameboys.(even counting those of friends)

I mean I'm not attacking you, but was it honestly neccessary to stick it to us non-gameboy owners? I remeber reading how at e3 they were playing on systems with four controllers. Its just bullshit not to include support for both.

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Old 08-28-2003, 09:06 PM   #14 (permalink)
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more than 3 of my friends definitely have gameboy advances, and i have an SP and a regular one. I think its surprising that people dont own gameboys.

oh and i dont take it like an attack at all, its all good. Its just that the gameboy advance is such a great little system. Especially if you are into nostalgic SNES games
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Old 08-28-2003, 09:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I have more than three friends with GBA's...

And I have one also... I'm probably gonna trade up and get a GBASP though. Yeah, I agree that it's a clever strategy thought up by nintendo to make more money off of people, but it's also a really good idea how they utilize the GBA's within the game, so I forgive them.
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Old 08-28-2003, 10:10 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The idea always seemed sound to me- for example, I found the VMU health gauge in the Dreamcast version of Code: Veronica to be indispensible. It'd be better if things had been configured so you didn't have to use batteries in the GBA when connecting to the Cube, though.
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Old 08-29-2003, 08:54 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Renegade, you seem to miss the point. Square has fixed what secret of mana had a problem with. Playing with your freinds was annoying, because this would happen. They would go into there menu to cast a spell, and they would get lost in the ring system, and you just sit.....and wait.....and most people say "id rather play the game alone, because i dont want to mess with menus unless they are mine" Either way, the game is SINGLEPLAYER you dont have to play multi player, just LIKE secret of mana. So no bitching.
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Old 08-29-2003, 09:39 AM   #18 (permalink)
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WHY does this have to be for GC why not make it for both that and ps2 or something I think this is a mistake, especially since I don't have one, and I just bought an xbox (Don't really like nintendo anyways.)
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Old 08-29-2003, 10:33 AM   #19 (permalink)
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WHY does this have to be for GC why not make it for both that and ps2 or something I think this is a mistake, especially since I don't have one, and I just bought an xbox (Don't really like nintendo anyways.)
Well, why not make FF7, 8, 9 or X for the GCN/X-Box also? Thats the definition of exclusivitiy right there...Those are ALL exclusive to the PS/PS2. While FF:CC is exclusive to the GCN and FFTA is exclusive to the GBA...

Damn companies. Unless you're first party, share the wealth, I say...
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Old 08-29-2003, 01:28 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Yeah. Anyways, the reason they are with nintendo, is because the mulitplayer system (that the use and want) is only avalible for the GC. How can you play this game multiplayer for ps2? There is no GBA?
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Old 08-29-2003, 01:42 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm probably going to get this since me and my roommate have a GBA. I'll hve to get a second connector for it tho. I think the game should come with 1 GC to GBA adapter.
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Old 08-29-2003, 02:41 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I really don't understand what is so hard about ALLOWING people to play without the gameboys. They already have a version available that plays without needing the gameboys so why change that so you need a gameboy? Please explain to me how that is not screwing the consumer? Square and Nintendo can bite me cause there is no way in hell I am going to support shitty business practices like that.

And as to NEEDING the gameboy connected, no way its not necessary. All they need is an improved interface. Thats all. If they just had a translucent menu popup in the corner of a player when they needed to switch equiptment or spells that would work fine.

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Old 08-29-2003, 03:00 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Jesus, some people will never understand. Well im glad the other 30 of you understand why this is a GOOD idea.
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Old 08-29-2003, 03:08 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I would have no problem with it if I was not forced into picking up gameboys so I could multiplay. Leave the gameboy functionality in just don't penalize the rest of us. Is it really that hard to see where I am coming from?

How can they not even give us users the OPTION of playing with controllers?
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Old 08-29-2003, 04:37 PM   #25 (permalink)
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You're not being forced to pick up anything - not even the game.
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Old 08-29-2003, 10:05 PM   #26 (permalink)
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OK. Let me explain this again -

#1 My only interest in this game is as a multiplayer game.
#2 I never said using GBAs with it was a bad idea, however...
#3 They ALREADY have a version that allows you to play either with controllers or with GBAs, but they are only allowing MP with GBAs

3 is my problem with them. I could give a rats ass about the GBA linkup except for the fact it is required for my friends and I to multiplay. I really enjoyed playing Secret of Mana and Seiken Densetsu 3 with my friends, but as I said earlier LNCPapa I am not picking this up because of its total lack of consideration for the majority of Gamecube users.
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Old 08-29-2003, 10:43 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I'm probably going to get this since me and my roommate have a GBA. I'll hve to get a second connector for it tho. I think the game should come with 1 GC to GBA adapter.
It does or will, I believe...
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Old 08-30-2003, 11:30 AM   #28 (permalink)
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3 is my problem with them. I could give a rats ass about the GBA linkup except for the fact it is required for my friends and I to multiplay. I really enjoyed playing Secret of Mana and Seiken Densetsu 3 with my friends, but as I said earlier LNCPapa I am not picking this up because of its total lack of consideration for the majority of Gamecube users.
Sorry but i think you are really in the minority here. Most people who own a GameCube own a GBA. Lots and lots of people own GBA's.
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I'm sure a lot of people own GBAs, but I doubt most Gamecube owners own 4 GBAs and 4 of the connectors whereas I'm sure many have 4 controllers.

Actually now that I've thought about it I would be willing to bet that a larger majority own more controllers than GBAs.

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Old 08-30-2003, 12:53 PM   #30 (permalink)
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You dont need to own 4 GBAs to play with four people. You only need one and your friends each need to have one.

The GBA isnt even that much more expensive than the game itsself, and im sure you could even find it cheaper than the game.
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It must suck to be forced at gunpoint to play the game multiplayer.
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Old 08-30-2003, 02:57 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Who the hell would own 4 GBA's? I am saying that it cant be hard at all to find 3 people with GBA's. geez you dont get it. You get the game, you have your GBA, three friends who own GBA's come over and play, not too complicated.

Oh and the GBA connectors to the Gamecube are cheap as all hell so it doesnt matter.
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Old 08-30-2003, 04:14 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I'm done with this discussion. Its clear you guys don't mind nintendo forcing shit on you. You guys can have FF:CC! As for me I'm fed up with Nintendo's shitty policies. I don't think I'll be picking up the next console. Besides Square is just making FF:CC so they can publish on the GBA anyway. There's no way it'll be as good as Secret of Mana was.
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Yeah, nintendo sent a death squad to my house with automatic weapons and told me that they will kill me if I don't buy a GBA to play with crystal chronicles. They are FORCING me to play.
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Old 09-01-2003, 07:12 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Heh, Nintendo has already sucked me in with the new Zelda. So I don't have to worry about buying the gamecube. I just have to find 40-50 bucks for it.
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Old 09-02-2003, 09:58 PM   #37 (permalink)
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nintendo and square are awesome.
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Old 09-03-2003, 07:42 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I'm done with this discussion. Its clear you guys don't mind nintendo forcing shit on you. You guys can have FF:CC! As for me I'm fed up with Nintendo's shitty policies. I don't think I'll be picking up the next console. Besides Square is just making FF:CC so they can publish on the GBA anyway. There's no way it'll be as good as Secret of Mana was.
Comedy gold right there.

Why do people always have to convince someone else how to best spend their time/money? Its called thining for YOURSELF and people should do it more often.

I respect the fact that you aren't going to buy this game, that you think the multi-player concept is lame and you have issues with capitalist companies trying to make money when you'd rather spend it on your mom or hookers or something. But turning blue in the face because other people don't feel the same way is lame.

Enjoy playing some other game and learn to agree to disagree and respect other people's opinions.
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Old 09-04-2003, 09:16 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Haha, well said Buk.
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