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Old 08-29-2003, 12:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Girls bigger geeks than boys?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/fun.gam...eut/index.html

sorry i don't know how to make it so that it says letter instead of the link oh well, thought this was interesting.
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Old 08-29-2003, 02:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have trouble believing that report.
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Old 08-29-2003, 02:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It's cnn it's not like it's a no name news team.
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Old 08-29-2003, 02:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Whenever I hear numbers like that I always figure that they count people playing solitaire or snood or whatever little internet games. I doubt most of those counted are what I would call "hardcore" gamers.
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Old 08-29-2003, 02:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
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LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- Challenging the stereotype that video gaming is the domain of teenage boys, an industry group Tuesday reported that more women over 18 than young boys are playing games and the average age of players has risen to 29.

A poll released by the Entertainment Software Association and conducted by Peter D. Hart Research Associates found 26 percent of game players are women 18 or older, while 21 percent are boys 6 to 17.

Video gaming has traditionally been seen as the province of teenage boys locked in dark rooms and twitching away at their game consoles, although in recent years the industry has worked to publish games catering to kids, women and older gamers.

Growing audience
In line with that trend, adults over 50 now make up 17 percent of the gaming population, the ESA said, compared with 13 percent three years ago.

The largest group of gamers, at 38 percent, is men 18 and up, while girls 6 to 17 account for 12 percent of game players, the poll found.

"I think that what used to be the standard in games, which was the female character in distress and the big macho man saving the day, is no longer the case," said Vikki Hrody, a faculty member at the Illinois Institute of Art in Chicago, who teaches art for game design.

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A random national sample of 806 adults, covering a total of 1,048 game players including kids, was used in the poll, the ESA said.

The average gamer spends 6.5 hours a week playing games, the ESA said, while boys 6 to 17 average 7.3 hours per week of game time.

Prefer mature games
As the age of gamers has risen, so has the number of games for adults. Of all games sold in 2002, the ESA said 13.2 percent carried a "Mature" or "M" rating, up from 9.9 percent in 2001 and under 8 percent in 2000.

Hrody said she and her friends much prefer many of those mature games, like war titles, to the games specially designed and targeted by game companies at the female market, such as dancing themes or Barbie.

"They don't hear enough about what the market is. I think they just assume that it's boys that are playing these games," she said. "(Girls' games are) very boring, there's no story line, it's almost like they play it down for girls."

The poll found little difference in the relationship between game play and income, with 39 percent of gamers reporting total household income of less than $50,000 a year and 41 percent reporting an income of more than $50,000.
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That is a good point Renegade. It doesn't mention how long each of those people play. It doesn't take much to be considered a gamer.
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Old 08-29-2003, 03:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Aside from entertainment, what influenced me most was the whole aspect of competition and social bonding. Gaming was just another way for me to kill time and chat with friends, and I pretty much spent a lot of time geeking out with my friends on the computer, and most of them happen to be into gaming and other forms of geekery. I guess some of it rubbed off on me, and I've been gaming ever since. (Yes, I'm a girl and I can kick your ass in any DM. )
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Old 08-29-2003, 10:02 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I read that and it blew my mind. I had such a sterotype in my mind. I'm glad I read the article.
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Old 08-30-2003, 10:22 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I really cant belive that ive been gaming for almost 10 years and ive meet one female gamer
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Old 08-30-2003, 11:17 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I've known a few female gamers, and one of them is DAMN attractive.
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Old 08-30-2003, 01:27 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Um.. if you didn't notice Males OVER the age of 18 were not included in this.. the poll was

Females, 18+ years VS Males, 6-17 years

but then again.. later in the article they compare just the opposite..

Males, 18+ years VS Females, 6-17 years

Either way guys still play more as us guys over 18 make up 38% according to them. I really dislike the article, if they wanted to do a GOOD report of things, they should have compared Male vs Female by AGES, you know 6-17 vs 6-17 & 18+ to 18+... Instead they screwed it all up.

And yeah girl gamers are pretty cool... I want one.
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Old 08-30-2003, 04:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Being a female gamer myself I know quite a few. There's a community for women playing EverQuest, EQWomen that is quite good. Good people, but most female gamers seem to be 25+.

I've attended a few demo/gamepartys and most girls there are "attention-seekers". Sad but true, if you want a ttention, being a girl in a geek-envoirement is a safe bet.
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Old 08-30-2003, 05:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm sure most of the girls were just playing Yahoo Euchre and Solitaire
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Old 08-30-2003, 06:10 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't fall into that 25+ category (yet), but I know a couple of girls even younger than me who play FPS, MMORPGs, and RTS games. It's not nearly as uncommon as you think.
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Old 08-30-2003, 06:20 PM   #14 (permalink)
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so again.. I still want a FPS Girl Gamer of my own

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Old 08-30-2003, 06:30 PM   #15 (permalink)
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take a look at the study a little more closely and without all the shenanagenry:

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Gamers by Age and Gender
# Girls 6 to 17 - 12%
# Boys 6 to 17 - 21%
# Women 18 or older - 26%
# Men 18 and up - 38%
# unknown - 3% (total 100%)
# Adults over 50 - 17% (was 13% in 2000)
girls still game less than guys.

There's truth, There's lies, and then theirs statistics.

Oh, and this post was inspired by PMuse of slashdot
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Old 08-31-2003, 11:06 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I think CNN just pooled players of "The Sims" seems to be the only game they know about other then those horrifying games that turn our children into BLOOD SUCKING DEMONS FROM HADES!..and they shouldn't do studies on those..nope they might get accurate info
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Old 09-02-2003, 08:45 AM   #17 (permalink)
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take a look at the study a little more closely and without all the shenanagenry:


girls still game less than guys.

There's truth, There's lies, and then theirs statistics.

Oh, and this post was inspired by PMuse of slashdot
It's still surprising. I didn't expect there to be near that many.
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Old 09-03-2003, 08:50 PM   #18 (permalink)
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i wish i knew some female gamers, maybe i'll meet some in college. i suppose ever since The Sims came along there was an influx in female gamers.
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Old 09-04-2003, 03:25 AM   #19 (permalink)
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my Girlfriend plays more Everquest than me .. well she uses it as a chattroom to talk to other people ... ALL DAY LONG
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Old 09-04-2003, 10:26 AM   #20 (permalink)
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One of the problems of revealing that you're a girl when gaming is the endless slew of harassment and unwanted attention you get when playing. It's not worth the trouble, and it's also irrelevant in most cases. Just play the damn game. /rant
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Old 09-04-2003, 12:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I don't buy it but it's cnn so it must be true, right?
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Old 09-04-2003, 12:21 PM   #22 (permalink)
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75% of statistics are false or misleading.
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Old 09-04-2003, 02:18 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Old 09-04-2003, 02:19 PM   #24 (permalink)
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75% of statistics are false or misleading.

82% of all statistics are made up on the spot
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Old 09-05-2003, 07:29 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I work in the videogame industry. There are more girls in the office than youd expect (not quite the same as the CNN statistics but a handfull nonetheless). Most of which are quite cute and yes, they play games recreationally as well.
My gf plays some games. I got her into the Oddworld (Munch/Abe) series. She finished Munch's Oddysee before I did. Heh. I wouldnt call her a gamer, though.

It seems that videogames are becoming more acceptable in socieity. Games of all sorts are being developed, in turn people of all sorts are playing them.
The thing is that there IS a large number of female gamers out there. If you take into consideration that even a small percentage of the gaming community is female... Think of how much that is in an industry that is larger than the motion-picture industry.
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Old 09-05-2003, 07:44 PM   #26 (permalink)
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1. I think this statistics are a bit high
2. They don't quantify what is a gamer. Hardcore, comptuer, console, solitare, what...
3. People I call "gamers" play MMORPG's, Warcraft, RPG's, etc, not grandma playing Solitare with her friends. But when you DO add grandma in what I call gamers suddenly become only a few % of a larger gaming group.
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Old 09-05-2003, 09:10 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I wish there was. I mean, probability wise, with those percentages, I would have met a girl gamer by now, probably several. Maybe they're closet case gamers or something, but in my experience there have been very few.
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Old 09-06-2003, 10:57 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Thanks to giblfiz for sorting it out, I was about to do the same. And to those saying: 'it's CNN, so it must be true' - ha! Such nonsense.
It's cnn that posts the misleading headline: 'female gamers outnumber boys' but as said, NOT when you compare age-group to age-group.
I can also say, without lying: '8 year olds work more hours a week than older adult' if I compare 8 year olds in some 3rd world country to adults over 65 or 70 in a rich western country.
CNN, just like any news agency, is great at manipulating and distorting facts. Anyone who ever saw their Iraq-coverage should know that.
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Old 09-08-2003, 08:27 AM   #29 (permalink)
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We got a game of Jedi Knight II going on our floor the other day and my friend's GF jumped in and started kicking ass. Wish I had a GF like that

And speaking of games targeting the female gamer audience...

Give this link a peek:
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Old 09-08-2003, 05:23 PM   #30 (permalink)
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well, thats different. Any girl that I've met that actually plays games already have boy friends. I Cant get my gf to play much of anything besides worms and tetris. when there is a blue moon she'll play hot shots golf.
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Old 09-08-2003, 06:03 PM   #31 (permalink)
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well i work for a game development company and id like to say that over 2years working for this company i hve met alot of girl games very few of which i would call hardcore but gamers none the less. I am also pleased to tell you that i have a gamer gf, she didnt start off that way but i got her into RPGs. Oh and remember couples that play together stay together.
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