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-Ever- · 10-12-2004, 04:10 PM

Don't get too excited, this isn't a battle thread or anything. I simply have a little extra time on my hands lately and am considering playing games again.

I played Diablo 1 and 2 forever and was terribly in love with them. When Warcraft 3 came out, I didn't want to try it cause I was too into Diablo, and as I was forcing myself to quit Diablo, many of my gamer friends were trying to convince me that I'd like WC3. I'm still yet to see it in real life and don't really know how it plays.

Can anyone sum up some of the main differences between WC3 and D2? I enjoyed D2 for it's worldly-reality (IE it's like playing in a new world...), it's action, and the reward for achievement as you improve your character. I liked the music, the graffics, and the overall not too simple but not too complex feel.

I just watched a clip of wc3 and one thing that irks me is that it shows the other character's life levels when I think that should be a mystery. I guess that's following RPG tradition though...

Also, pretty importantly, are cheats for WC3 as readily available as they are for D2? I hate online hacks, like duped items, fake items, etc. Are there similar things to this ruining WC3?

Thanks for any info guys.
-T

Orodinn · 10-12-2004, 04:20 PM

Diablo is an action RPG. WC3 is a realtime strategy game. Theyre very different games. Personally, I never really enjoyed WC3 that much. Its just like starcraft improved but without the thrill of it being one of the first of its genre. The strategy genre is getting kinda saturated if you ask me.

That doesnt mean you shouldnt try it though. I play WC3 almost everyday now, but not because of the main game. I really enjoy the custom maps (mini games created by the players themselves) especially DOTA. I always thought some company should make a professional version of a dota like game. Theres nothing on the market that remotely plays like it.

Kadath · 10-12-2004, 04:23 PM

The main difference for me is it took longer to find WC3 repetitive than D2. Don't get me wrong, both games are great, but there was a point in both when I realized I was bored with doing the same thing over and over.

hirosada · 10-12-2004, 05:03 PM

I've got both games, and I've got to say they are both great. However I only play WC3 with friends. And D2 is the only game I really play anymore after giving up City of Heroes. It's one part nostalgic and one part time killer for me.

hawktro · 10-12-2004, 05:40 PM

try warhammer 40k......very fun

BuddyHawks · 10-12-2004, 05:57 PM

Like mentioned above, they are different game styles. Both are fun. I played D2 for about three years untill i got burnt out. I've since been playing WC3 for about three years and havn't stopped yet. I play for about an hour or two a day.
WC3 is also one of the most played games at LANs with my friends.

-Ever- · 10-12-2004, 06:06 PM

Thanks for the info so far guys.

Anyone care to maybe compare and contrast more specific parts of the gameplay since you all seem to agree that they're quite different.

Take care
-T

-=shikamaru=- · 10-12-2004, 07:03 PM

Diablo 2 - Its mostly an action oriented and bit more mindless game. Strategy revolves around finding good and appropriate equipement, choosing skills carefully, etc. Most of the thrill is from collecting that "perfect" weapon or getting a lvl 99 character.

Warcraft III - Much more of a thinking man's game, and everything revolves around strategy. Theres a beginning, middle, and ending game battle plan, just like chess, and involves more of being able to manage Hero creeping (kinda like Diablo) along with expansion, recon, resource management, unit production, research, and defense. It's a much deeper game, although lacks some of Diablo IIs fun mindless aspects. There are also countless original Mods that range from Diablo-like hero quests to really quirky mini games.

Thats my rundown. I honestly recommend you play both.

-Ever- · 10-12-2004, 07:13 PM

Thanks Shikamaru, that's a little more of what I was looking for. Guess I'll just have to throw down some cash and dig in when I've got spare time.

Also, no one has noted on it yet. Are there online hacks in WC3 like there are in Diablo? (which I hate. See original post)

Orodinn · 10-12-2004, 09:09 PM

Oh by the way, about WC3 being a strategy game...well, thats how the genre is called, but what I find utter annoying with that kind of game is that it really isnt about being a good strategist. Its more about maximizing your ressources, units, buildings etc...

In the end, being good at wc3 is about knowing the best build order for every situation and know the best units for a specific task. Sadly, those can be acquired by playing alot, not by being a good strategist. But thats more of a critic to the whole genre rather than WC3 alone. I just don't have the patience to play over and over again the same game just to find the best way to build myself an army. Its a bit sad because I really enjoyed WC2 and starcraft. But thats because I was playing offline by myself. Once I got online, it was all about the competition and winning. Its much easier to get into the game by playing alone. When you play online, all you see are stats, not an actual army of warriors doing your bidding.

-Ever- · 10-12-2004, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Orodinn

Once I got online, it was all about the competition and winning. Its much easier to get into the game by playing alone. When you play online, all you see are stats, not an actual army of warriors doing your bidding.

Interesting. Maybe I'll try offline for a while first. I got D2 the day it was released and spent the first month+ offline cause my internet was down. I actually remember that time and really enjoyed myself and how hard it was.

alansmithee · 10-13-2004, 02:46 AM

I played both quite a bit around 1 year ago online, so that's most of my experience.

D2-Online, it pretty much is divided into groups of casual, intermediate, and diehard. Much like a MMORPG, only there isn't the same time investment. D2 also can get very repetetive, unless you like trying different character strategies. Also, most of the intermediate and up players online do alot of pvp. Around a year ago there were very rampant hacks, bugged items, bots, etc. Pretty much you name it, it was there. They did a supposed final patch which cleaned up alot, but whether it's still clean I don't know. Typical experience was to find a friend or beg to get rushed through the game, hang out and level in the cow board, and then build your character with the accumulated points. At that point, you try to find the best gear possible, either by trading or farming. Any moderate pvper needs relatively expensive gear, and alot of time is spent trying to get minor bonuses. Many people also just play the secondary market. I know they cut down on the ease of rushing, but some people I know who still play say that rushing is still SOP. Some people I know say offline or online solo (no trading or other contact) make the game alot more fun and difficult, but once I beat hell I lost intrest.

WC3-Warcraft online is divided into people playing the basic game (1v1 or teams, some free for all as well) and people playing mods. Many people playing the basic game are very hardcore, and spend hours perfecting strategies and watching replays. They also will often have high ratings, and play mainly to climb the ladder. Often playing 1v1 can be unfufilling, as matches don't last long if you are rushed early and don't prepare. This can lead to doing the same things over and over, making the game repetetive. One of the best aspects is the mods. They are more casual, and sometimes more challenging. They are things like capture the flag, strongpoint defence, hero arena, and many other variations. They even had some that progressed more like traditional rpgs, and even allowed you to save your character. Me and most of my friends moved to playing just the mods. As for hacks, besides a map hack there isn't much floating around.

Personally, if I were to play one again, it would be WC3, just for the mods (matter of fact, I think ill reinstall it now).

-Ever- · 10-13-2004, 08:45 AM

You mentioned save your character. So you don't have a hero that you build throughout various gaming sessions huh? Always start fresh?

Orodinn · 10-13-2004, 09:29 AM

Yep, that what strategy games are like. There wouldnt be much strategy if you could keep your character for every matches. In the story mode, you do get to keep your character, but single player mode and competitive play modes are very different.

Since you seem to have no idea what the genre is like, your first time playing it should be a very fun experience. I still remember the first time I played Wc2 and starcraft.

gyroscope · 10-13-2004, 09:49 AM

you can't really compare those games;
diablo 2 is big fun,but it hasn't a very original story,and it is allways the same,but it is fun,and i have played it for a long time,and i liked it very much.but the main problem of diablo 2 is that the story sucks.the cut srenes are amazing,but what use do they have if there ain't a good story
war craft 3 has a fascinating story,with heroes you can identify with,the game itsself is very good,it is well balanced and i've been playing it for over 2 years,and still it is fun.

so both are great games,but i choose war craft 3 !

10-12-2004, 04:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
-Ever- Junkie Location: San Francisco	Warcraft 3 vs. Diablo 2 Don't get too excited, this isn't a battle thread or anything. I simply have a little extra time on my hands lately and am considering playing games again. I played Diablo 1 and 2 forever and was terribly in love with them. When Warcraft 3 came out, I didn't want to try it cause I was too into Diablo, and as I was forcing myself to quit Diablo, many of my gamer friends were trying to convince me that I'd like WC3. I'm still yet to see it in real life and don't really know how it plays. Can anyone sum up some of the main differences between WC3 and D2? I enjoyed D2 for it's worldly-reality (IE it's like playing in a new world...), it's action, and the reward for achievement as you improve your character. I liked the music, the graffics, and the overall not too simple but not too complex feel. I just watched a clip of wc3 and one thing that irks me is that it shows the other character's life levels when I think that should be a mystery. I guess that's following RPG tradition though... Also, pretty importantly, are cheats for WC3 as readily available as they are for D2? I hate online hacks, like duped items, fake items, etc. Are there similar things to this ruining WC3? Thanks for any info guys. -T __________________ Embracing the goddess energy within yourselves will bring all of you to a new understanding and valuing of life. A vision that inspires you to live and love on planet Earth. Like a priceless jewel buried in dark layers of soil and stone, Earth radiates her brilliant beauty into the caverns of space and time. Perhaps you are aware of those who watch over your home And experience of this place to visit and play with reality. You are becoming aware of yourself as a gamemaster... --Acknowledge your weaknesses-- Last edited by -Ever-; 10-12-2004 at 04:12 PM..

10-12-2004, 04:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	The main difference for me is it took longer to find WC3 repetitive than D2. Don't get me wrong, both games are great, but there was a point in both when I realized I was bored with doing the same thing over and over. __________________ it's quiet in here

10-12-2004, 05:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
BuddyHawks Swashbuckling Location: Iowa...sometimes	Like mentioned above, they are different game styles. Both are fun. I played D2 for about three years untill i got burnt out. I've since been playing WC3 for about three years and havn't stopped yet. I play for about an hour or two a day. WC3 is also one of the most played games at LANs with my friends. __________________ Watch More TV

10-12-2004, 06:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
-Ever- Junkie Location: San Francisco	Thanks for the info so far guys. Anyone care to maybe compare and contrast more specific parts of the gameplay since you all seem to agree that they're quite different. Take care -T __________________ Embracing the goddess energy within yourselves will bring all of you to a new understanding and valuing of life. A vision that inspires you to live and love on planet Earth. Like a priceless jewel buried in dark layers of soil and stone, Earth radiates her brilliant beauty into the caverns of space and time. Perhaps you are aware of those who watch over your home And experience of this place to visit and play with reality. You are becoming aware of yourself as a gamemaster... --Acknowledge your weaknesses--

10-12-2004, 07:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
-=shikamaru=- Crazy	Diablo 2 - Its mostly an action oriented and bit more mindless game. Strategy revolves around finding good and appropriate equipement, choosing skills carefully, etc. Most of the thrill is from collecting that "perfect" weapon or getting a lvl 99 character. Warcraft III - Much more of a thinking man's game, and everything revolves around strategy. Theres a beginning, middle, and ending game battle plan, just like chess, and involves more of being able to manage Hero creeping (kinda like Diablo) along with expansion, recon, resource management, unit production, research, and defense. It's a much deeper game, although lacks some of Diablo IIs fun mindless aspects. There are also countless original Mods that range from Diablo-like hero quests to really quirky mini games. Thats my rundown. I honestly recommend you play both. __________________ DINANZI A ME NON FUOR COSE CREATE SE NON ETTERNE, E IO ETTERNA DURO. LASCIATE OGNE SPERANZA, VIO CH'INTRATE'.

10-12-2004, 04:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Orodinn Crazy	Diablo is an action RPG. WC3 is a realtime strategy game. Theyre very different games. Personally, I never really enjoyed WC3 that much. Its just like starcraft improved but without the thrill of it being one of the first of its genre. The strategy genre is getting kinda saturated if you ask me. That doesnt mean you shouldnt try it though. I play WC3 almost everyday now, but not because of the main game. I really enjoy the custom maps (mini games created by the players themselves) especially DOTA. I always thought some company should make a professional version of a dota like game. Theres nothing on the market that remotely plays like it.

10-12-2004, 05:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
hirosada Tilted Location: Washington	I've got both games, and I've got to say they are both great. However I only play WC3 with friends. And D2 is the only game I really play anymore after giving up City of Heroes. It's one part nostalgic and one part time killer for me.

10-12-2004, 05:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
hawktro Upright Location: utah	try warhammer 40k......very fun

10-12-2004, 07:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
-Ever- Junkie Location: San Francisco	Thanks Shikamaru, that's a little more of what I was looking for. Guess I'll just have to throw down some cash and dig in when I've got spare time. Also, no one has noted on it yet. Are there online hacks in WC3 like there are in Diablo? (which I hate. See original post) __________________ Embracing the goddess energy within yourselves will bring all of you to a new understanding and valuing of life. A vision that inspires you to live and love on planet Earth. Like a priceless jewel buried in dark layers of soil and stone, Earth radiates her brilliant beauty into the caverns of space and time. Perhaps you are aware of those who watch over your home And experience of this place to visit and play with reality. You are becoming aware of yourself as a gamemaster... --Acknowledge your weaknesses--

10-12-2004, 09:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
Orodinn Crazy	Oh by the way, about WC3 being a strategy game...well, thats how the genre is called, but what I find utter annoying with that kind of game is that it really isnt about being a good strategist. Its more about maximizing your ressources, units, buildings etc... In the end, being good at wc3 is about knowing the best build order for every situation and know the best units for a specific task. Sadly, those can be acquired by playing alot, not by being a good strategist. But thats more of a critic to the whole genre rather than WC3 alone. I just don't have the patience to play over and over again the same game just to find the best way to build myself an army. Its a bit sad because I really enjoyed WC2 and starcraft. But thats because I was playing offline by myself. Once I got online, it was all about the competition and winning. Its much easier to get into the game by playing alone. When you play online, all you see are stats, not an actual army of warriors doing your bidding.

10-13-2004, 02:46 AM	#12 (permalink)
alansmithee Junkie	I played both quite a bit around 1 year ago online, so that's most of my experience. D2-Online, it pretty much is divided into groups of casual, intermediate, and diehard. Much like a MMORPG, only there isn't the same time investment. D2 also can get very repetetive, unless you like trying different character strategies. Also, most of the intermediate and up players online do alot of pvp. Around a year ago there were very rampant hacks, bugged items, bots, etc. Pretty much you name it, it was there. They did a supposed final patch which cleaned up alot, but whether it's still clean I don't know. Typical experience was to find a friend or beg to get rushed through the game, hang out and level in the cow board, and then build your character with the accumulated points. At that point, you try to find the best gear possible, either by trading or farming. Any moderate pvper needs relatively expensive gear, and alot of time is spent trying to get minor bonuses. Many people also just play the secondary market. I know they cut down on the ease of rushing, but some people I know who still play say that rushing is still SOP. Some people I know say offline or online solo (no trading or other contact) make the game alot more fun and difficult, but once I beat hell I lost intrest. WC3-Warcraft online is divided into people playing the basic game (1v1 or teams, some free for all as well) and people playing mods. Many people playing the basic game are very hardcore, and spend hours perfecting strategies and watching replays. They also will often have high ratings, and play mainly to climb the ladder. Often playing 1v1 can be unfufilling, as matches don't last long if you are rushed early and don't prepare. This can lead to doing the same things over and over, making the game repetetive. One of the best aspects is the mods. They are more casual, and sometimes more challenging. They are things like capture the flag, strongpoint defence, hero arena, and many other variations. They even had some that progressed more like traditional rpgs, and even allowed you to save your character. Me and most of my friends moved to playing just the mods. As for hacks, besides a map hack there isn't much floating around. Personally, if I were to play one again, it would be WC3, just for the mods (matter of fact, I think ill reinstall it now).

10-13-2004, 08:45 AM	#13 (permalink)
-Ever- Junkie Location: San Francisco	You mentioned save your character. So you don't have a hero that you build throughout various gaming sessions huh? Always start fresh? __________________ Embracing the goddess energy within yourselves will bring all of you to a new understanding and valuing of life. A vision that inspires you to live and love on planet Earth. Like a priceless jewel buried in dark layers of soil and stone, Earth radiates her brilliant beauty into the caverns of space and time. Perhaps you are aware of those who watch over your home And experience of this place to visit and play with reality. You are becoming aware of yourself as a gamemaster... --Acknowledge your weaknesses--

10-13-2004, 09:29 AM	#14 (permalink)
Orodinn Crazy	Yep, that what strategy games are like. There wouldnt be much strategy if you could keep your character for every matches. In the story mode, you do get to keep your character, but single player mode and competitive play modes are very different. Since you seem to have no idea what the genre is like, your first time playing it should be a very fun experience. I still remember the first time I played Wc2 and starcraft.

10-13-2004, 09:49 AM	#15 (permalink)
gyroscope Tilted	you can't really compare those games; diablo 2 is big fun,but it hasn't a very original story,and it is allways the same,but it is fun,and i have played it for a long time,and i liked it very much.but the main problem of diablo 2 is that the story sucks.the cut srenes are amazing,but what use do they have if there ain't a good story war craft 3 has a fascinating story,with heroes you can identify with,the game itsself is very good,it is well balanced and i've been playing it for over 2 years,and still it is fun. so both are great games,but i choose war craft 3 !