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Old 07-20-2005, 05:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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GTA:San Andreas now Rated Adults Only

http://ir.take2games.com/ReleaseDeta...leaseID=169278

So it goes from being M and 17+ now to AO and 18+
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Old 07-20-2005, 05:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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So it goes from being M and 17+ now to AO and 18+
When you put it like that it seems like no big deal. However, that means that one of the largest videogame retailers in the world will now pull it from their shelves. Walmart has never sold AO rated games and I doubt they will start now.
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Old 07-20-2005, 06:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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All the major retailers are pulling it from their shelves, and they're working on a new version without the code to bring it down to M again.
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Old 07-20-2005, 06:55 PM   #4 (permalink)
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wait wait wait, so a hidden thread of code in the game that can basically only be accessed on the PC version gets all the versions bumped up to AO, thats fucking pathetic, i hate our political leaders who think this is a bigger problem then poverty in america or any other major problem
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Old 07-20-2005, 07:16 PM   #5 (permalink)
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While I think it is stupid that some hidden sex mini-game is causing in uproar when it is in a game that is already obviously not for a younger crowd, I do think it is a good thing that this is causing the ESRB to rethink their ratings and game review process. I think what they have already done is great, but getting more objective criteria and more unambiguous ratings would be a big help in keeping the decency police away.
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Old 07-20-2005, 07:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
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This would have sucked 13 years ago, but since i'm THIRTY I don't see the problem with it.
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Old 07-20-2005, 10:28 PM   #7 (permalink)
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We got a call from our higher-up manager today, telling us to pull all versions of GTA:SA indefinitely. Initially we didn't get a reason, so we called our competitor EB Games and they had a similar order, but to add "AO 18+" stickers to their San Andreas stock.

Oh BTW, from what I've heard, thank Hillary Clinton for that one. I don't care tho, makes it easier for me to turn down all the 10 year olds asking for the game.

One more thing... a single quirk only accessible on the PC version that shows some sexual act makes the whole game null and void, but ignore all the other fucking violence in the game! Holy shit society has its priorities backwords!
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Old 07-20-2005, 10:44 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Sheesh, Americans. Kids need the internet for the mod, right?
Find me ONE UNDERAGED MALE WITH THE INTERNET WHO DOES NOT HAVE LARGE AMOUNTS OF PORNOGRAPHY. I dare you.
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Old 07-20-2005, 10:49 PM   #9 (permalink)
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its accessable on the PS2 version as well.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/news.php?date=2005-07-20

Just read.
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Old 07-20-2005, 11:03 PM   #10 (permalink)
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One more thing... a single quirk only accessible on the PC version that shows some sexual act makes the whole game null and void, but ignore all the other fucking violence in the game! Holy shit society has its priorities backwords!
Thank you! Violent acts on television, no problem. Janet Jackson shows a partially covered nipple, everyone freaks out. You're absolutely right on this one.
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Old 07-21-2005, 12:11 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Sheesh, Americans. Kids need the internet for the mod, right?
Find me ONE UNDERAGED MALE WITH THE INTERNET WHO DOES NOT HAVE LARGE AMOUNTS OF PORNOGRAPHY. I dare you.
Stumped...
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Old 07-21-2005, 12:26 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Well, to be fair people have been bitching about the violence and implied sex with hookers in the GTA games for years now, but this gives them another opportunity to try to convince us that the evil videogames are bringing about the downfall of civilization as we know it or something.
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Old 07-21-2005, 12:32 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Don't you just love the attention of the politicians, you know instead of doing something useful lets target video games. Wow, gotta love democracy..
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Old 07-21-2005, 12:34 AM   #14 (permalink)
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i don't see how the sex mini-game has anything to do with the rating anyway - its not like its PART of the game. You actually have to intentionally circumvent the games code to make it work. Isn't it easier to just scope out some porno? Seriously, less effort, better returns.
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Old 07-21-2005, 12:52 AM   #15 (permalink)
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That's too weird. I don't understand how a game's rating can be changed based on third-party software that is illegally added by the user. I mean, that means that basically every game has to be rated AO, since any idiot with a knowledge of textures can make a mod that does that for basically anything.

Parents, keep track of your own goddamn kids and stop blaming companies for things you should be responsible for.
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Old 07-21-2005, 02:16 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Sex mini game? GTA:SA. Have I missed something?

So is it accesable on the PS2 or no?
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Old 07-21-2005, 02:25 AM   #17 (permalink)
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All of the GTA games have been 18+ from the beginning in the UK.
I don't see how age restrictions make a difference anyway. A lot of people who are underage just get their parents or someone old enough to buy it for them
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Old 07-21-2005, 02:35 AM   #18 (permalink)
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The sex scene doesn't show any nudity. It still should be rated mature. The girl is naked but you really can't see any details. You know what there doing and thats about it. CJ has his clothes on!
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Old 07-21-2005, 02:43 AM   #19 (permalink)
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That's too weird. I don't understand how a game's rating can be changed based on third-party software that is illegally added by the user. I mean, that means that basically every game has to be rated AO, since any idiot with a knowledge of textures can make a mod that does that for basically anything.
The difference between this and something like the Tomb Raider Nude Patch is that this was placed in the game by the developers but not actively unlockable for one reason or another (avoiding the AO rating the most likely reason), whereas the Nude Raider Patch is entirely supplied by the horny idiot.

But it's still a lot of bullshit, since many shipped game have assets that are included but never used. I mean, congress might as well blame the ingenuity of the consumer that found this and penalize them.
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Old 07-21-2005, 02:57 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Hell, they showed a clip of it on the 6pm news here. I'm just.. stunned. Game devs in the US must be hurting, with all the shit they can be held responsible for now.
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Old 07-21-2005, 03:39 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I agree...all the violence is ok for a M rating, but show some really bad polygonal nudity and now its AO????

So what's next? Are they going to start and target mods? I know this was unlocked cause its in the game, but that doesn't stop those that are ignorant from targetting a Tomb Raider or Sims that have 3rd party mods.
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Old 07-21-2005, 05:25 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Well, it isnt a third part, the develpoers had it in the code the whole time, just tucked away. Its on the ps2 version as well, and from what I hear you can access it with a Gameshark. They are trying to come out with further realeases of GTA:SA without that code to get the M rating again.

Who cares? It probably looks stupid anyway
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Old 07-21-2005, 06:00 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Yeah this just blows my mind. Like people before me have commented, being able to blow peoples heads off is apparently totally fine. But the second a hint of sex comes around, we have to stop it. I mean think of the children!
Honestly, the US (And maybe other countries as well) is way to uptight when it comes to sex.
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Old 07-21-2005, 06:46 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I think the game should be AO because of the violence. I think kids even young teenagers shouldn't be allowed access to San Andreas. I'm old fashioned, but that's where I'm at. I wouldn't let my 12 or 13 year old bring that into our house. The sex just pushes it over the top. The violence already stopped me from buying it.
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Old 07-21-2005, 06:55 AM   #25 (permalink)
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The violence in GTA is over-rated, to the utmost extreme. Any impact it may have is almost completely made moot by the fact that it's so abstract to really cause any reaction. Things shot at in the game are targets, remember, not living breathing creatures, and if kids know the difference between the two a computer game isn't going to make them forget it.
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Old 07-21-2005, 09:20 AM   #26 (permalink)
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The violence in GTA is over-rated, to the utmost extreme. Any impact it may have is almost completely made moot by the fact that it's so abstract to really cause any reaction. Things shot at in the game are targets, remember, not living breathing creatures, and if kids know the difference between the two a computer game isn't going to make them forget it.
The key to having a child be able to know the difference is good parenting. In every form of media, there's going to be someone who won't be able to distinguish between fantasy and reality and they're the ones who will make the evening news.
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Old 07-21-2005, 10:08 AM   #27 (permalink)
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The key to having a child be able to know the difference is good parenting. In every form of media, there's going to be someone who won't be able to distinguish between fantasy and reality and they're the ones who will make the evening news.

I'm just curious as to which "great parenting" technique you would use on your children to justify their intaking graphic violent scenes, and having them know the difference between reality and fiction. "Okay Jimmy, it's important for you to know the difference between a computer generated man kicking a man until blood squirts out his brains and a real man doing it. As long as you never kick a man until he bleeds, you will be fine. You can keep watching violence of any form as long as you promise never to do it."

No matter how you say it, I can't picture a scenario where I'm sitting my kid down and teaching him to know the difference, and appreciate the difference between real and fictional violence. I'm not saying I'd shelter my child; they're going to be exposed to it eventually. But I wonder if I wouldn't be condoning/celebrating it if I have games like San Andreas in my home.
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Old 07-21-2005, 10:09 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I think the game should be AO because of the violence. I think kids even young teenagers shouldn't be allowed access to San Andreas. I'm old fashioned, but that's where I'm at. I wouldn't let my 12 or 13 year old bring that into our house. The sex just pushes it over the top. The violence already stopped me from buying it.
Even with an M rating the game wasn't supposed to be in the hands of anyone under the age of 17. All an AO rating does is push the age limit up one year and make some retailers not carry the game.
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Old 07-21-2005, 11:56 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Old 07-21-2005, 12:04 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I'm just curious as to which "great parenting" technique you would use on your children to justify their intaking graphic violent scenes, and having them know the difference between reality and fiction. "Okay Jimmy, it's important for you to know the difference between a computer generated man kicking a man until blood squirts out his brains and a real man doing it. As long as you never kick a man until he bleeds, you will be fine. You can keep watching violence of any form as long as you promise never to do it."

No matter how you say it, I can't picture a scenario where I'm sitting my kid down and teaching him to know the difference, and appreciate the difference between real and fictional violence. I'm not saying I'd shelter my child; they're going to be exposed to it eventually. But I wonder if I wouldn't be condoning/celebrating it if I have games like San Andreas in my home.
I'm not saying that great parenting is having them intake graphically violent scenes. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I'm saying that great parenting is having a good understanding of what your child is ready for and exposing them to life experiences under appropriate supervision so that they can at least be emotionally, mentally, and physically ready to handle situations in a way that is appropriate.
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Old 07-21-2005, 02:27 PM   #31 (permalink)
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If a teenage kid (yes, 13+) is changed or influenced by violence or sex in videogames then I honestly believe they have issues. I'll be 22 this year. I've been into videogames since my early childhood. My parents let me play violent videogames when I was 10+ (to my surprise). I've grown up to be perfectly fine. I do not think downward upon women. I do not think violence is the answer to anything. The only feeling I'm left with is wondering what kind of fucked up teenager would let a videogame get to him. There's way worse problems with the kid than videogames if he is influenced negatively by them.

I think it's bullshit that Rockstar and Take Two are getting slapped with the AO now. Why? Because the content was not intended for use by gamers, period. A third party mod unlocked content on the CD that was NOT supposed to be in the game. It's just code that was left locked because it would probably take more time and money to remove it. I'd be having words about legal issues if I were Rockstar or Take Two...they're being fucked over here. That's like adding C4 to a vehicle and blowing up a building with it...and blaming it on the vehicle manufacturer because all of the wiring in the car allowed the bomb to be built. Ridiculous.

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Old 07-22-2005, 02:55 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I'd say that the only was the ESRB could redeem themselves here would be to start giving out the AO rating more for games... it's obvious that this one game/company has been targeted, but if more games in the future start getting AO instead of M, it may well just work out...

Of course, this would possibly screw up the whole game industry if stores continue to not stock AO rated games... I dunno really, but I agree with the fact that the rating should've been more influenced by the violence than anything else...
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Old 07-22-2005, 04:30 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I'm most disappointed in Best Buy for pulling the game. Walmart, Target, etc. I can stomach (cuz they pretend to be so "family friendly"), but if Best Buy is going to pull this, why not God of War (nudity in bed scenes), or, say, 1/2 the fucking DVD's they sell?
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Old 07-22-2005, 04:47 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Maddox has done an article on this, which shows most other peoples sentimetns here. Still is quite funny

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....ticket_to_hell
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Old 07-22-2005, 08:29 AM   #35 (permalink)
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This is such bullshit. An AO rating is beyod unnecessary. AO implies hardcore porn, this is nowhere near hardcore porn. What's worse is that the people flapping their heads all 'GTA is teh evol' have no fucking clue what they are talking about. There is nothing in teh game that is worse than an R rated move, therefore MA is appropriate.
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Old 07-22-2005, 08:34 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Here's a movie of the content. Enjoy!

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=6810&type=wmv
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http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=6810&type=mov

Edit: !!!!NOT SAFE FOR WORK!!!!
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Old 07-22-2005, 08:50 AM   #37 (permalink)
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That is hilarious. Cartoon boobs, and CJ is totally clothed.
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Old 07-22-2005, 09:19 AM   #38 (permalink)
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That's like adding C4 to a vehicle and blowing up a building with it...and blaming it on the vehicle manufacturer because all of the wiring in the car allowed the bomb to be built. Ridiculous.

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Well we could blame DICE and Battlefield 2 for that one...
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Old 07-22-2005, 09:32 AM   #39 (permalink)
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A buddy of mine went to EB and picked it up. It wasn't on the shelves, but he asked for it and they sold it. I'm sure that many retailers will do the same. They are in this business for one thing money, not stopping people from buying what they want. The stores know people want it, so they will go where they can find the game. If it is only available online, then so be it, people will buy it online. EB, Gamestop, Bestbuy, etc... should be responsible and put it behind a counter, but to pull the game completely will only hurt them.

Although Take Two is saying that they project to lose 1.1 million because of this, I wouldn't be surprised if their sales skyrocket as people want to find this game.
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Old 07-22-2005, 09:57 AM   #40 (permalink)
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