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Old 11-10-2004, 02:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ephedrine HCL

Mods, i searched but only found two threads.

Has anyone used this product? I cant find any info on google other than "advertiser's info".
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Old 11-10-2004, 06:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I know people who have, back when it was legal, but it's a banned substance now- how do you plan on getting it?
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Old 11-10-2004, 03:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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http://www.vitadigest.com/vasopro.html

then go to the bottom of the article.
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Old 11-10-2004, 04:54 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Mods, i searched but only found two threads.

Has anyone used this product? I cant find any info on google other than "advertiser's info".
Thanks
Eugene
I haven't used it.

However, I would recommend against it. The FDA pulled it off the shelf after it was proven unsafe. Unsafe = contributed to deaths. Depending on what you are planning on using it for (if thats the case), you have to determine if it is an acceptable level of risk.
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Old 11-11-2004, 01:06 AM   #5 (permalink)
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well, FDA needs to pull a lot of other stuff out of the market then lol. ANyways, i liked ephedrine and never had any rash side effects other than the shakes but that was liveable. Anyone else?
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Old 11-11-2004, 01:23 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Supplements are bad, mkay? You can do just fine without them.
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Old 11-11-2004, 03:00 AM   #7 (permalink)
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IMO the product was yanked because it was a key ingredient in the manufacture of methamphetamine, rather than actual serious health effects, although I wouldn't reccomend taking alot of them because it is, after all, a key ingredient in METHAMPHETAMINE...

But, uhm, good times.. don't take more than six, really.. i mean it..

I bought my last bottle at GNC about a year ago.. not sure if they've finially got around to banning it up here in the Great White North or not.. might be worth a look.


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Old 11-11-2004, 07:23 AM   #8 (permalink)
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we talked about that in some of my police classes. Even in meth labs though, they found large cases of ephedrine based pills. well, imma order some and see how it is. im actually really excited because my workouts are 10x as crazy which is what i live for lol.
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Old 11-11-2004, 08:36 AM   #9 (permalink)
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* The Chinese botanical ephedra, or ma-huang, is sold as a dietary supplement in the United States. It is a natural source of the alkaloids ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. Some dietary supplement products used for weight loss and to enhance athletic performance contain these alkaloids.
* Synthetic ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are found in over-the-counter decongestants and cold medicines and are used to treat asthma. Ephedrine is not approved in the United States as a drug for weight loss or to enhance athletic performance.
* The use of ephedrine, ephedrine plus caffeine, or dietary supplements containing ephedra and botanicals with caffeine is associated with a modest but statistically significant increase in weight loss over a relatively short time (less than or equal to 6 months). No studies have assessed their long-term effects (greater than 6 months).
* No studies have assessed the effect of dietary supplements containing ephedra and botanicals on athletic performance. The few studies that assessed the effect of ephedrine support a modest effect of ephedrine plus caffeine on very-short-term (1-2 hours after a single dose) athletic performance in a highly selected physically fit population.
* Results of controlled trials show that the use of synthetic ephedrine, ephedrine plus caffeine, or ephedra plus botanicals containing caffeine is associated with 2-3 times the risk of nausea, vomiting, psychiatric symptoms such as anxiety and change in mood, autonomic hyperactivity, and palpitations compared with placebo.
* RAND analyzed adverse event reports filed with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and with a manufacturer of ephedra-containing dietary supplements as well as published case reports. Although this analysis raises concerns about the safety of botanical dietary supplements containing ephedra, most of these case reports are not documented sufficiently to support an informed judgment about the relationship between the use of ephedra-containing dietary supplements or ephedrine and the adverse event in question.
* According to the RAND report, the number of deaths, myocardial infarctions, cerebrovascular accidents, seizures, and serious psychiatric illnesses in young adults is sufficient to warrant further evaluation of the safety of these products in a controlled manner (such as a hypothesis-testing case-control study) to test the possibility that consumption of ephedra or ephedrine causes these serious adverse events.
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* Ephedrine vs. placebo: 5 studies. Ephedrine was associated with a statistically significant weight loss of 1.3 pounds/month more than was associated with placebo for up to 4 months of use.
* Ephedrine plus caffeine vs. placebo: 12 studies. Ephedrine plus caffeine was associated with a statistically significant weight loss of 2.2 pounds/month more than was associated with placebo for up to 4 months of use.
* Ephedrine plus caffeine vs. ephedrine: 3 studies. Ephedrine plus caffeine was associated with a statistically significant weight loss of 0.8 pounds/month more than was associated with ephedrine alone.
* Ephedrine vs. other active weight loss products: 2 studies. No conclusions could be drawn because of the small sample size in each of these studies.
* Ephedra plus herbs containing caffeine vs. placebo: 4 studies. Ephedra plus herbs containing caffeine was associated with a statistically significant weight loss of 2.1 pounds/month more than was associated with placebo for up to 4 months of use.
Are 1.3 pounds per month worth the potential serious side effects?
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Old 11-11-2004, 10:30 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Interesting to read the link provided by animal909. They still sell Ephedrine in gas stations, ez-marts and such in my area and I wondered how they got away with it and I guess its the version not banned by the government. I have taken this type and had no real side effects. If abused it could probably be dangerous I wouldn't go crazy with it but in moderation its probably not too bad.
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Old 11-13-2004, 04:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
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ANyways, i liked ephedrine and never had any rash side effects other than the shakes but that was liveable. Anyone else?
My question is why do you need the stuff? And why would you take something that impacts your body to the point of giving you the shakes?

Take it if you want to blow your heart out.
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Old 11-13-2004, 05:12 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Ephedrine has never given me any trauma.
I've used striaght ephedrine as a supplement as a supplement while working out, and never had the purported side effects the FDA would like you to think happens. Fact is, IF you are predisposed to heart conditions in your family or have suffered damage to your heart previously, are out of shape, pregnant or nursing, are taking medications that would conflict with it like anti depressants or hear medications, then you aren't in a risk category. Another consideration is length and regularity of use, which should be taken as indicated on the product. Abuse of any stimulant will obviously cause adverse effects.

I'm no Timothy Leary, but I've used it on and off for almost 10 yrs (purposely dicontinuing it after consuming for 12 wks, starting slowly then increasing amts ) without ill effects.
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